Celebrating 2011 world cup win

[Vk1]

Haven't we gone overboard on that? For such a cricketing mad nation with so much talent pool, money etc.. winning one world cup and that too in home conditios is such a big thing?  I can bet that if one of kiwis proteas or English win it.. it will be on front pages for only one day , few hundreds will gather and they will forget it.. heck Aussies don't even talk about their world cup wins so much even though they have won it almost everytime from 1999. You don't so Aussie greats boasting of those wins but you talk of MSD , Sachin, Yuvi, Gambhir and the main point becomes the world cup win. Wonder if we are really such a low morale incompetent cricketing nation to celebrate one or two wins in 50 years so proudly..

 

[Gollum]

Historically we are the worst cricket playing nation considering our resources, pound for pound Indian cricket team is the worst sporting team (worldwide) in the last 80 years and I am not joking. And also the most shameless one, chest thumping over small isolated achievements and no desire to achieve all round greatness. There have been 500 other national achievements post the 2011 WC win that deserve more plaudits, many in the world of Indian sports itself. But Indian cricket being the perennial failure it is with the added advantage of its hold on media and corporate/political world needs to beat its drums every now and then to justify its inflated reputation.

Indian cricket reminds me of the Indian communists, both over represented/rewarded in public life and both given more resources than what their performances deserve. Sample Sachin's Bharat Ratna, really did he deserve that ahead of our past hockey greats or someone like Anand? Hell a Mary Kom has achieved more than what all Indian cricketers combined have done in her last 10 years in a globally competitive sport against so many odds. Or take our badminton and tennis stars for instance, in actual globally competitive events unlike an imperial era lazy hobby like cricket where <10 countries even acknowledge its existence. Someone needs to cut this Indian cricket circus to size and divert precious national resources to other sports, guarantee we will see resurgence in many other erstwhile successful arenas and a better showing in world level sporting events. 

Edited December 25, 2018 by Gollum

[zen]

Such behaviour, along with propagandas to show that xyz player is the best, highlights the fact that we suck at sports and immaturity of  the fans in general 

[wanted_desi]

Pakistani are still talking about 1992 WC win everyday. 

[Gollum]

45 minutes ago, wanted_desi said:

Pakistani are still talking about 1992 WC win everyday. 

Al Bakis are equally hopeless. Those guys had much greater representatives on global sporting stage in the form of wrestlers, squash and field hockey players. The Great Gama (undefeated GOAT ), 2 of the squash GOAT contenders, some legit platinum standard ATG hockey players including qualitatively the highest level of field hockey played in history (late 70s and early 80s)....yet they worship their fraud cricket stars and elevate a 3rd class neech bloke like Imran to Prophet's status. 

[MechEng]

India's greatest wins IMO:

 

1983 finals > Perth 2008 >> 2007 World T20>>>≥>>>> 2011 WC 

 

2011 WC win was good but nowhere as memorable as the other 3 I mentioned. Especially the Perth test match, ending 16 consecutive wins in their home soil and that too at a place where no team won in last 20 years.

 

P.S.: 2007 T20 was also amazing due to the new format and the lows our team went through in the carribean world cup, winning this mini world cup was a huge morale booster.

 

And 1983 is almost on par/very slightly better than Perth win. 

Edited December 25, 2018 by MechEng

[MechEng]

1 hour ago, Gollum said:

Al Bakis are equally hopeless. Those guys had much greater representatives on global sporting stage in the form of wrestlers, squash and field hockey players. The Great Gama (undefeated GOAT ), 2 of the squash GOAT contenders, some legit platinum standard ATG hockey players including qualitatively the highest level of field hockey played in history (late 70s and early 80s)....yet they worship their fraud cricket stars and elevate a 3rd class neech bloke like Imran to Prophet's status. 

 

But mind you, he could bowl seriously fast.

[sarcastic]

1 hour ago, Gollum said:

Al Bakis are equally hopeless. Those guys had much greater representatives on global sporting stage in the form of wrestlers, squash and field hockey players. The Great Gama (undefeated GOAT ), 2 of the squash GOAT contenders, some legit platinum standard ATG hockey players including qualitatively the highest level of field hockey played in history (late 70s and early 80s)....yet they worship their fraud cricket stars and elevate a 3rd class neech bloke like Imran to Prophet's status. 

I think you are unduly harsh on Imran Khan while talking all right things about Desis in your last post and this post. 

This is not about individual brilliance but Imran was a tremendous leader ( may be the best in Cricket from sub-continent ) who has inspirationally led a bunch of talented but hacky n wayward individuals to world cup glory. 

Yes, if this happened to other sport, nobody would have elevated him that much. But he certainly knew how to tame bunch of emotional fools like the Pakistanis!!! His charisma and leadership abilities are other worldly!

[Gollum]

20 minutes ago, sarcastic said:

I think you are unduly harsh on Imran Khan while talking all right things about Desis in your last post and this post. 

This is not about individual brilliance but Imran was a tremendous leader ( may be the best in Cricket from sub-continent ) who has inspirationally led a bunch of talented but hacky n wayward individuals to world cup glory. 

Yes, if this happened to other sport, nobody would have elevated him that much. But he certainly knew how to tame bunch of emotional fools like the Pakistanis!!! His charisma and leadership abilities are other worldly!

I didn't slam IK the player/skipper, certified ATG and almost in the Sobers/Miller category of all rounders. He was naughty with the ball tampering so there will be some demerit points, otherwise no questioning his status as a player or leader.

 

But I deliberately added some extra venom for his off field activities, especially since becoming PM. Pretty annoyed with his political leadership and statements thus far. I don't like him as a person and Pakistanis with their kaarname and non-stop nonsense are getting on my nerves these last few months. So they can expect some extra tadka from my side. 

 

Immy is a legend no questions, but not among top 5 Pakistani sports-persons (all time) and I say this with full conviction. That's the point I am trying to make, the way cricketers are elevated in SC is astonishing, pretty sure most Pakistani kids today won't even recognize Jahangir, Jansher, Shahbaz Snr, Hassan Sardar etc if they were to bump into them by the sidewalks.  

Edited December 25, 2018 by Gollum

[raki05]

8 hours ago, Gollum said:

Al Bakis are equally hopeless. Those guys had much greater representatives on global sporting stage in the form of wrestlers, squash and field hockey players. The Great Gama (undefeated GOAT ), 2 of the squash GOAT contenders, some legit platinum standard ATG hockey players including qualitatively the highest level of field hockey played in history (late 70s and early 80s)....yet they worship their fraud cricket stars and elevate a 3rd class neech bloke like Imran to Prophet's status. 

Most of the wrestling accolade which Gama received was as indian. By the time he went to pakistan his wrestling career was over , even Pakistani dint provide him proper pention during his last days to fight with the ailments. But ta history had never seen such a great wrestler whio remained undefeated till 52 years of age.

[Gollum]

2 hours ago, raki05 said:

Most of the wrestling accolade which Gama received was as indian. By the time he went to pakistan his wrestling career was over , even Pakistani dint provide him proper pention during his last days to fight with the ailments. But ta history had never seen such a great wrestler whio remained undefeated till 52 years of age.

Yeah just like Sultan Khan (chess), these greats achieved their feats as Indians and died in misery in Pakistan.

 

Also 'The Great Gama' was a shining example of humanity. During partition riots he saved many Hindu lives against rampant, bloodthirsty Islamic mobs, he also safely escorted his colony's Hindus to the border when he knew he couldn't protect them any longer bearing their expenses/rations for the journey. He deserves a biopic in his name, hope someone in Bollywood can do this legend some justice. One of the rare Pakistanis I wish had lived out his entire life in India, I can only pity their youth who are unaware of the existence of such a man in their country's history. 

 

Here's The Story Of Gama 'The Undefeated' Pehalwan And How He Saved Hindus During 1947 Riots

Edited December 26, 2018 by Gollum

[rahulrulezz]

This OPs post is straight from my heart

 

Statisrically there were genuinely 3 good teams in that World Cup. With worldcup played in India, that increased our chances to basically more than 50%

 

Dhoni captained us 2011, 2015 worldcups

then he captained us 2007,2009,2010,2012,2014,2016 worldcups

We won two of the 2/8 worldcups. That's a success rate of 25 percent success rate. That's pathetic considering there are guineily 3 to 4 decent ODI teams. 

 

But the amount of gaga we go over Dhoni as if he is a god. If you see that he captained us to several overseas failures, he was just an ok captain. 

[MechEng]

10 minutes ago, rahulrulezz said:

This OPs post is straight from my heart

 

Statisrically there were genuinely 3 good teams in that World Cup. With worldcup played in India, that increased our chances to basically more than 50%

 

Dhoni captained us 2011, 2015 worldcups

then he captained us 2007,2009,2010,2012,2014,2016 worldcups

We won two of the 2/8 worldcups. That's a success rate of 25 percent success rate. That's pathetic considering there are guineily 3 to 4 decent ODI teams. 

 

But the amount of gaga we go over Dhoni as if he is a god. If you see that he captained us to several overseas failures, he was just an ok captain. 

The greatest ever Indian captain is Pataudi. He was the one who brought batting and spinner culture in Indian cricket. There would have been no Gavaskar had there been no Pataudi.

 

And the Fab 5 are the ones inspired by Gavaskar.

[Singh bling]

15 hours ago, Gollum said:

Historically we are the worst cricket playing nation considering our resources, pound for pound Indian cricket team is the worst sporting team (worldwide) in the last 80 years and I am not joking

Historically cricket has always been an elite sport which never spread to indian masses but things started changing from 80s

15 hours ago, Gollum said:

There have been 500 other national achievements post the 2011 WC win that deserve more plaudits, many in the world of Indian sports

You are confusing nationalism with sports that actually provide entertainment to its viewers. There are very few of them in world

 

15 hours ago, Gollum said:

But Indian cricket being the perennial failure it is with the added advantage of its hold on media and corporate/political world needs to beat its drums

Which media , politician or corporate is holding gun on your head so that you spend hours on a forum which is named after stupid sport named cricket . Media , politician , corporate only chase sports which are popular with masses

 

15 hours ago, Gollum said:

Hell a Mary Kom has achieved more than what all Indian cricketers combined have done in her last 10 years in a globally competitive sport against so many odds. Or take our badminton and tennis stars for instance, in actual globally competitive events unlike an imperial era lazy hobby like cricket where <10 countries even acknowledge its existence

How many countries acknowledge the most popular sport of USA, American Football? Americans don't even care whether they play with other countries or not. 

[Stan AF]

1 hour ago, rahulrulezz said:

This OPs post is straight from my heart

 

Statisrically there were genuinely 3 good teams in that World Cup. With worldcup played in India, that increased our chances to basically more than 50%

 

Dhoni captained us 2011, 2015 worldcups

then he captained us 2007,2009,2010,2012,2014,2016 worldcups

We won two of the 2/8 worldcups. That's a success rate of 25 percent success rate. That's pathetic considering there are guineily 3 to 4 decent ODI teams. 

 

But the amount of gaga we go over Dhoni as if he is a god. If you see that he captained us to several overseas failures, he was just an ok captain. 

This 25% strike rate eludes most Dhoni/Indian fans. Coupled with his way below poor test record he's actually one of the worst captains India has ever produced. Not to mention his other shenanigans.

[Gollum]

If we fail in 2019 WC this will be our longest ICC tournament drought since the dark 90s. 

2002 CT

2007 WT20

2011 WC

2013 CT

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<failure in 4 continuous ICC tournaments since then, soon to be 5 if things happen as normal>

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Agla kab aayega?

Edited March 13, 2019 by Gollum

[Gollum]

3 minutes ago, MultiB48 said:

need to produce another tony 

Tony himself has been laying ducks in all WT20s the last 10 years. 

[Zero_Unit]

Op, have you meet Pakistan? They are still blowing smoke up their own arse with how they have a WC in their cabinet, still talking about CT. Still ...

[Gollum]

We continue to underperform despite all the resources. 

 

Loss in RSA tests

Hammering in Eng

Last WC, WT20, CT lost

Tournament drought since 2013

Can't win the NZ series now

 

All this when we actually are a top team fully capable of making the transition to ATG status. Only if those who run Indian cricket care as much as us fans !!!!

 

Our hockey players are fighting like Honey Badgers these last couple of months against elite competition of a global sport, broke into top 4 for the first time since rankings were introduced, yet we don't hear about them. Our kirkit maharathis need to be brought down a notch or two. 

[Adi_91]

3 minutes ago, Gollum said:

We continue to underperform despite all the resources. 

 

Loss in RSA tests

Hammering in Eng

Last WC, WT20, CT lost

Tournament drought since 2013

Can't win the NZ series now

 

All this when we actually are a top team fully capable of making the transition to ATG status. Only if those who run Indian cricket care as much as us fans !!!!

 

Our hockey players are fighting like Honey Badgers these last couple of months against elite competition of a global sport, broke into top 4 for the first time since rankings were introduced, yet we don't hear about them. Our kirkit maharathis need to be brought down a notch or two. 

Slightly off topic I know. Since it is an Olympic Year, an Olympic Gold medal won by an Indian >>>>>> WC in Cricket. 

 

I will be very proud if our Indian Olympic contingent makes us proud in Tokyo this year. 

Edited February 24, 2020 by Adi_91