sandeep Posted August 5, 2019 Share Posted August 5, 2019 It was a brilliant political masterstroke to execute both these moves together. Ladakhis and the shias in Kargil don't want anything to do with Pakistan, or the sunni rebellion in the valley anyway. Indian govt in one combo-move has insulated the strategic heights of Kargil and Leh-Ladakh from Pakistani interference. Forever. Now the only "disputed" areas are the Kashmir valley - and we can either settle the dispute with Pakistan by converting LOC to border, granting Kashmiris easy travel privileges as long as terrorism and violence are off the table. Even if the Indian Supreme court overturns the abrogation of Article 370, I would expect Ladakh to retain its administrative independence going forward. This lays the foundation of future negotiations and eventual settlement with the greenbros of the Kashmir "issue". This is indeed a historic day for India. chewy, Alam_dar, MechEng and 4 others 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gollum Posted August 5, 2019 Share Posted August 5, 2019 (edited) Why wasn't there trifurcation, Jammu seems left out now. Some here have given their reasons, how do you read it @sandeep ? For too long politics there has been Kashmir valley centric, Jammu Dogras deserve better, even the Sikhs and Pahadi/Gujjar/Bakerwal Muslims in Poonch, Rajouri (who face the brunt of cross border firing). I would have loved to isolate the valley completely which is the only trouble making area. Edited August 5, 2019 by Gollum velu and Sandeep99 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vilander Posted August 5, 2019 Share Posted August 5, 2019 5 minutes ago, Gollum said: Why wasn't there trifurcation, Jammu seems left out now because Jammu is needed as bulwark against Kashmir. BJP will be in power in JK in some time, because they will open flood gates for people to shift to Jammu for govt jobs and private investment. This is a very careful and well designed step from Amit Shah. Indian history will look at Amit shah as it looks at Sardar Vallabhai patel. sergio04, adi B, Muloghonto and 5 others 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vilander Posted August 5, 2019 Share Posted August 5, 2019 all the soft separatist scum who want to send their kids to get educated abroad but want to keep Valley simmering with joblessness and cheap funded stone throwing are checkmated now. Stradlater, Norman and Gollum 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandeep Posted August 5, 2019 Author Share Posted August 5, 2019 4 minutes ago, Vilander said: because Jammu is needed as bulwark against Kashmir. BJP will be in power in JK in some time, because they will open flood gates for people to shift to Jammu for govt jobs and private investment. This is a very careful and well designed step from Amit Shah. Indian history will look at Amit shah as it looks at Sardar Vallabhai patel. Yep, In 10 years, Jammu will march towards development and economic progress at some speed. The Valley bumpkins can keep throwing stones at each other while the modern world passes them by. @Gollum Jammu doesn't need to be officially separated from Kashmir to prosper. Especially if the economic integration with India is allowed to proceed without legal or legislative hurdles. Gollum, MechEng and mishra 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mishra Posted August 5, 2019 Share Posted August 5, 2019 TBH, whole of Valley has been liberated. the decsion to separate Laddakh is more down to Aksai Chin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SecondSlip Posted August 5, 2019 Share Posted August 5, 2019 2 hours ago, sandeep said: It was a brilliant political masterstroke to execute both these moves together. Ladakhis and the shias in Kargil don't want anything to do with Pakistan, or the sunni rebellion in the valley anyway. Indian govt in one combo-move has insulated the strategic heights of Kargil and Leh-Ladakh from Pakistani interference. Forever. Now the only "disputed" areas are the Kashmir valley - and we can either settle the dispute with Pakistan by converting LOC to border, granting Kashmiris easy travel privileges as long as terrorism and violence are off the table. Even if the Indian Supreme court overturns the abrogation of Article 370, I would expect Ladakh to retain its administrative independence going forward. This lays the foundation of future negotiations and eventual settlement with the greenbros of the Kashmir "issue". This is indeed a historic day for India. WHAT THE HELL? This is still a possibility? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandeep Posted August 5, 2019 Author Share Posted August 5, 2019 15 minutes ago, SecondSlip said: WHAT THE HELL? This is still a possibility? Of course it is, the procedural methodology of making changes to an article of the constitution was very questionable. Its a case of ends justifying the means. Which is why I hope that the Indian Supreme Court doesn't undo the UT status for Ladakh, even if it does overturn the a370 abrogation. Ideally it won't, but let's see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vilander Posted August 5, 2019 Share Posted August 5, 2019 25 minutes ago, SecondSlip said: WHAT THE HELL? This is still a possibility? 370 is not abrogated that needs constitutional amendment. what has been done is to defang it completely. And now since its a UT now law and order is with center now. no more *ing stone throwing heroes any more as there would be 5 policemen in place of 1 in the past. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vilander Posted August 5, 2019 Share Posted August 5, 2019 23 minutes ago, sandeep said: Which is why I hope that the Indian Supreme Court doesn't undo the UT status for Ladakh, if it does. India will elect BJP with 362 next time and Amit shah will amend the constitution while giving a middle finger to SC as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beetle Posted August 5, 2019 Share Posted August 5, 2019 Ladhakh should have a legislature. Muloghonto 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SecondSlip Posted August 5, 2019 Share Posted August 5, 2019 25 minutes ago, Vilander said: 370 is not abrogated that needs constitutional amendment. what has been done is to defang it completely. And now since its a UT now law and order is with center now. no more *ing stone throwing heroes any more as there would be 5 policemen in place of 1 in the past. Can you explain this in more detail? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coffee_rules Posted August 6, 2019 Share Posted August 6, 2019 Ladakh is not as densely populated as J or K. I was expecting Jammu to be bifurcated from Kashmir valley. The demographics have been set already since 70 years. With KPs eliminated it set Jammu Hindu to Kashmir Muslim. Kashmir was bringing down Jammu. They should have been bifurcated. velu and sergio04 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vilander Posted August 6, 2019 Share Posted August 6, 2019 1 hour ago, coffee_rules said: Ladakh is not as densely populated as J or K. I was expecting Jammu to be bifurcated from Kashmir valley. The demographics have been set already since 70 years. With KPs eliminated it set Jammu Hindu to Kashmir Muslim. Kashmir was bringing down Jammu. They should have been bifurcated. what would India achieve from that ? they have kept Jammu and Kashmir together so that India can get demographic upper hand eventually. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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