Gollum Posted March 9, 2019 Share Posted March 9, 2019 13 minutes ago, putrevus said: I agree but talent is not grown on trees, you need to have that talented player in system to find him. I don't see any such talents like Yuvi or Raina. Rahul debuted in 2014 in test matches and 2016 in odis, if he was good he would have cemented his place by now. Raina was running away from the pitch in the 2006 RSA ODI series like a gutless coward, commentators were having a proper laugh, Ntini was laughing at him. Yuvi was talented but highly inconsistent. Talent is there in the system, need to nurture it. All the greats of our game became greats because of the trust shown on them. Rahul in ODIs has played total 13 ODIs, in different positions and not once has he been given a run of over 3 consecutive matches. Good luck developing a player with this method. He has been very good in T20s, why hasn't he cemented a spot there? Link to comment
putrevus Posted March 9, 2019 Share Posted March 9, 2019 2 minutes ago, Gollum said: Kohli wasn't that special till 2011 in ODIs, even when he scored big he had low SR. Just as dull as his first three years in test cricket. The Hobart knock and 2014-15 Oz series turned him from a talent to a special player. Very few greats have set the stage on fire right from debut year, it usually takes a few seasons to stabilize. Rahul hasn't been given a proper run in ODIs. Even in T20s where he has 45/150 stats he isn't a sure starter in our 1st XI. Partly he is to blame but TM carries a larger portion of the blame cos they thought hacks like Rayudu to be more fit than him in our future plans. Talking about white ball cricket here. Gill could have been our trump card but he needed a continuous run in national side after the U-19 WC. But it seems Kohli has more hopes on Rayudu, Karthik, Rahane, Raina and Pandey than the kid. All these problems are self created by our TM of which Kohli is an integral part. Rahul should have followed his legendary state batsman who adapted himself to get into team by becoming wicket keeper.Rahul should have come out and said in public that he will play in middle order and should have played in middle order for hs state team. To me Rahul is one trick pony who can hit some shots with new ball but I don't think he has that ability to build an innings in middle order. I can't blame selectors, I have not see any such talent in the system so they are recyling . Gill is still unknown , he still has a chance in my view if he does well in IPL. Link to comment
Gollum Posted March 9, 2019 Share Posted March 9, 2019 3 minutes ago, putrevus said: Rahul should have followed his legendary state batsman who adapted himself to get into team by becoming wicket keeper.Rahul should have come out and said in public that he will play in middle order and should have played in middle order for hs state team. Dhoni even now is blocking a pure keeper-bat like Pant, Rahul was never going to make it as 1st choice keeper. Onus was on TM, not on the young players. 3 minutes ago, putrevus said: To me Rahul is one trick pony who can hit some shots with new ball but I don't think he has that ability to build an innings in middle order. Better than no trick pony like Rayudu. I am not saying he would have set the world on fire but we had to maximize our resources and did a terrible job. 3 minutes ago, putrevus said: Gill is still unknown , he still has a chance in my view if he does well in IPL. I would be skeptical of getting him into the WC squad based on T20 show, he should have been groomed much earlier. Link to comment
putrevus Posted March 9, 2019 Share Posted March 9, 2019 6 minutes ago, Gollum said: Raina was running away from the pitch in the 2006 RSA ODI series like a gutless coward, commentators were having a proper laugh, Ntini was laughing at him. Yuvi was talented but highly inconsistent. Talent is there in the system, need to nurture it. All the greats of our game became greats because of the trust shown on them. Rahul in ODIs has played total 13 ODIs, in different positions and not once has he been given a run of over 3 consecutive matches. Good luck developing a player with this method. He has been very good in T20s, why hasn't he cemented a spot there? Raina had some serious flaws but for team you cannot have sameness, Raina worked for Indian team because he was perfect no5/no6. He could launch from ball 1.Nobody expected 100s from Raina, what they wanted from him was go for his shots.Yuvi was inconsistent but atleast you had hope , in this team if top three are gone, team is done and dusted. I don't see generational talent in the system at all.This under 19 batch I have some hope, we have seen Shaw already in the team, Gill will be in the team soon. Rahul has transformed into T20 player, good for him. T20s he has been playing almost all matches.Rahul is not better than current openers in odis.He is better than that useless Rayudu but we don't know why he does not want to play in middle order. Link to comment
Straight Drive Posted March 10, 2019 Share Posted March 10, 2019 26 runs from 15 balls. Just the kind of strike rate that was required today. Batted well without any doubt. Mosher, Rightarmfast and mishra 3 Link to comment
Gollum Posted March 10, 2019 Share Posted March 10, 2019 2 minutes ago, Straight Drive said: 26 runs from 15 balls. Just the kind of strike rate that was required today. Batted well without any doubt. He has had very few chances this year, but whenever he got them he showed something. Pity he got run out twice when he was looking set for 100. Also decent with the ball, did what specialist Umesh couldn't do twice in the recent past. I am happy we got to see him, will be a nice addition to the WC squad and future plans for Team India. I believe TM is missing a trick by not playing him at #4, he can complement top 3 beautifully because of his ability to rotate strike and maintain the tempo. Him at #4, Pandya at #7 with Jadhav/Dhoni in between and suddenly I am more confident in the middle order...plus 3 out of those 4 can bowl while the 4th is keeper. DHONI_FANN, mishra and Straight Drive 3 Link to comment
SK_IH Posted March 10, 2019 Share Posted March 10, 2019 (edited) Imagine Jadeja batting in place of Shankar today lol Edited March 10, 2019 by SK_IH Gollum 1 Link to comment
Khota Posted March 10, 2019 Share Posted March 10, 2019 I am extremely skeptical about Shankar but he is really playing well and deserves a chance to continue. Link to comment
Straight Drive Posted March 10, 2019 Share Posted March 10, 2019 1 minute ago, Gollum said: He has had very few chances this year, but whenever he got them he showed something. Pity he got run out twice when he was looking set for 100. Also decent with the ball, did what specialist Umesh couldn't do twice in the recent past. I am happy we got to see him, will be a nice addition to the WC squad and future plans for Team India. I believe TM is missing a trick by not playing him at #4, he can complement top 3 beautifully because of his ability to rotate strike and maintain the tempo. Him at #4, Pandya at #7 with Jadhav/Dhoni in between and suddenly I am more confident in the middle order...plus 3 out of those 4 can bowl while the 4th is keeper. That is what is impressive. Shaw got two teats, he scored significant runs. Shankar too has contributed good enough in less chances. No fuss about batting order or situation he came in to bat.Sticking to his job and doing well in most chances. tweaker, mishra and Gollum 3 Link to comment
Mosher Posted March 10, 2019 Share Posted March 10, 2019 Shankar has to bat at 4 for India. He should have been tested at that position today and the next game. raki05 and velu 2 Link to comment
Khota Posted March 10, 2019 Share Posted March 10, 2019 9 minutes ago, SK_IH said: Imagine Jadeja batting in place of Shankar today lol Jadeja is definitely a better bowler though and today he would have carried more value as team did well in scoring runs. velu 1 Link to comment
Vk1 Posted March 10, 2019 Share Posted March 10, 2019 Shreyas Iyer was probably the best guy for the number 4 slot.. he can continue the momentum after great starts . SK_IH 1 Link to comment
velu Posted March 10, 2019 Share Posted March 10, 2019 8 minutes ago, SK_IH said: Imagine Jadeja batting in place of Shankar today lol obviously TM wont pick jaddu for shankars role Link to comment
SK_IH Posted March 10, 2019 Share Posted March 10, 2019 5 minutes ago, velu said: obviously TM wont pick jaddu for shankars role He played at the number Jadeja regularly fks up raki05, philcric and Ankit_sharma03 1 2 Link to comment
Rightarmfast Posted March 10, 2019 Share Posted March 10, 2019 4 hours ago, Khota said: I am extremely skeptical about Shankar but he is really playing well and deserves a chance to continue. Why are you skeptical? He is not an allrounder, he is a pure batsman. But I find it overwhelming that some people are suggesting to play Dhoni and Hardik Pandya together! When the pure batsmen and bowlers are doing well, what is the need to play hacks? Link to comment
Khota Posted March 10, 2019 Share Posted March 10, 2019 6 minutes ago, Rightarmfast said: Why are you skeptical? He is not an allrounder, he is a pure batsman. But I find it overwhelming that some people are suggesting to play Dhoni and Hardik Pandya together! When the pure batsmen and bowlers are doing well, what is the need to play hacks? I was skeptical about his bowling at this level but he has done enough to continue playing. I am definitely not questioning his spot on tthe team right now as he has earned it. He is doing real well. With Shankar playing Hardik has no spot left. Shankar >>>> Hardik (my humble opinion) Rightarmfast 1 Link to comment
SK_IH Posted March 10, 2019 Share Posted March 10, 2019 Only positive so far in this series. Kohli should have trusted him more today. Jadhav's bubble has burst and he shouldn't trusted this much anyways. Link to comment
Rightarmfast Posted March 10, 2019 Share Posted March 10, 2019 1 hour ago, Khota said: I was skeptical about his bowling at this level but he has done enough to continue playing. I am definitely not questioning his spot on tthe team right now as he has earned it. He is doing real well. With Shankar playing Hardik has no spot left. Shankar >>>> Hardik (my humble opinion) +1. With Shankar around, theres totally no need for Pandya Link to comment
Pollack Posted March 10, 2019 Share Posted March 10, 2019 Just now, Rightarmfast said: +1. With Shankar around, theres totally no need for Pandya Shankar replaces Rayudu. Pandya still needed for lower order hitting. velu, Gollum and raki05 3 Link to comment
Khota Posted March 10, 2019 Share Posted March 10, 2019 58 minutes ago, Pollack said: Shankar replaces Rayudu. Pandya still needed for lower order hitting. Then you lose one specialist bowler. Link to comment
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