Ishant- Has he become mature?

[Ankit_sharma03]

1 hour ago, maniac said:

Shami Bhuvi and Ishant it is then....or maybe play Yadav and Bhuvi as the allrounder as I don’t think Bhuvi will do worse than Pandya with the bat in South Africa.

Against SA bowling i fear for the batting of bbhuvi, ashwin, pandya...............those guys are good at blowing up the tales and half batsman. 

Well pandya is a better batsman then bhuvi, coz even if bowlers are spitting fire he has the power game to get quick runs. A over or two of spin given to him he can get quite a few runs and he plays short ball well 

[maniac]

4 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

Against SA bowling i fear for the batting of bbhuvi, ashwin, pandya...............those guys are good at blowing up the tales and half batsman. 

Well pandya is a better batsman then bhuvi, coz even if bowlers are spitting fire he has the power game to get quick runs. A over or two of spin given to him he can get quite a few runs and he plays short ball well 

You think SA will feed him spin??? Once they see an opening it will be Morkel/Rabada bowling straight at his throat.

[Ankit_sharma03]

Just now, maniac said:

You think SA will feed him spin??? Once they see an opening it will be Morkel/Rabada bowling straight at his throat.

Most probably not but sometime a situation may lead to or i have faith in his ability to atleast get past that bowling spell of pacers for once .

Also pandya has fallen to a leg spinner googly in recent times, u never knw they might try tempting him with imran tahir 

[maniac]

Just now, Ankit_sharma03 said:

Most probably not but sometime a situation may lead to or i have faith in his ability to atleast get past that bowling spell of pacers for once .

Also pandya has fallen to a leg spinner googly in recent times, u never knw they might try tempting him with imran tahir 

I personally think either play 5 bowlers or 6 batsman in South Africa. Pandya’s batting nor his bowling is equipped yet to do well in South Africa...I might have to eat my words but so far he has shown nothing to prove us otherwise.

 

He should have played atleast 1 test vs Srilanka in this series.

 

Pandya is an asset in LOIs but at test level against South Africa in South Africa,I don’t see he has a shot.

[Vilander]

25 minutes ago, maniac said:

I personally think either play 5 bowlers or 6 batsman in South Africa. Pandya’s batting nor his bowling is equipped yet to do well in South Africa...I might have to eat my words but so far he has shown nothing to prove us otherwise.

 

He should have played atleast 1 test vs Srilanka in this series.

 

Pandya is an asset in LOIs but at test level against South Africa in South Africa,I don’t see he has a shot.

from what i have seen of the guy, he is the most capable to surprise everyone. There is this quality in him, give no f's and just do it. He can bowl quick for an all rounder( 140's) thats special and he can throw his bat around. 

[LORD_analyst]

1 hour ago, sandeep said:

I expect the Saffers to go out of their way and make the outfields as lush and thick as possible, to nullify reverse swing.  I think the tracks are going to be super bouncy, but not green.   Just like Pune leveled the playing field for our spinners and Aussies, green tracks give our bowlers the best chance to be effective.   On a bouncy track, if Yadav is inconsistent like he was against SL, he will leak too many runs.  But given his tendency for fuller lengths, he may also be more of a wicket-taking threat than Ishant - if he gets it right. 

 

Some tough selection calls in front of VK for the SA series.  Ishant over Umesh?  One spinner or 2?  Jaddu over Ash if just one?  6 batsmen or Pandya?   No easy 'gimme' answers to any of these questions.   

 

Just heightens the anticipation for this series even more.   I will be in India for 2 weeks in early Jan, I hope the team lives up to expectations and doesn't keel over like we have on previous tours.

kookabura cant do **** with reverse swing.....umesh will be a liability

[Vk1]

Ishant does look better these days. And at times on top of his game. Renshaw spell was similar to the ponting at Perth one.  I'm hoping that he picks 100 more wickets and brings the average down to 32.. by the time he hangs his boots 

[Vk1]

1 hour ago, maniac said:

I personally think either play 5 bowlers or 6 batsman in South Africa. Pandya’s batting nor his bowling is equipped yet to do well in South Africa...I might have to eat my words but so far he has shown nothing to prove us otherwise.

 

He should have played atleast 1 test vs Srilanka in this series.

 

Pandya is an asset in LOIs but at test level against South Africa in South Africa,I don’t see he has a shot.

Pandya at this moment is more like Lance klusener in tests. Can get quick runs, pick cheap wickets whenever possible. Kallis too infact used to pick wickets when batsman used to feel relieved from not facing Donald Pollock etc and plays a loose shot. If Pandya can do that it's a real bonus. 

[Ankit_sharma03]

1 hour ago, maniac said:

I personally think either play 5 bowlers or 6 batsman in South Africa. Pandya’s batting nor his bowling is equipped yet to do well in South Africa...I might have to eat my words but so far he has shown nothing to prove us otherwise.

 

He should have played atleast 1 test vs Srilanka in this series.

 

Pandya is an asset in LOIs but at test level against South Africa in South Africa,I don’t see he has a shot.

Pandya is more with the bat then jadeja n bhuvi, ashwin im not sure as of now.......

 

Pandya is there to give the balance and thats what is the key, he doesnt have to bowl 20 overs in a day 

Pandya bowling is well equipped for overseas specially bouncy pitches .........and underestimating his bowling will prove costly to opp. As a bowler he just has to bowl 10-15 over which is a max 5th bowler wud....

 

Now if we play a bowler - the batting gets weeker specially with Saha as keeper and rahane being the inconsistent one........for what a max of 20 overs........

and 2 spinners against SA on Sa pitches with kookabura.........no please. Would have given a thought if the 2 were murali n warne but we have ashwin n jadeja 

 

Now if we play a batsman - we are asking our 140k bowlers to  bowl longer spells by holding their pace back...............not done that to for either rohit or dhawan. We have absolutely no bowling from the batsman dept

 

At times we get to much carried away with reputation, how bad can he be then dhawan n rohit were last time even if he wud be as bad as them with bat atleast he ll contribute with ball. On indian pitch i wud have counted out his bowling but on a bouncy pitch i wnt even count a rookie out who can bowl 140k+ and move the ball a bit atleast this guy has some international exp now 

 

I would have definately thought about shankar whose one aspect of game is stronger but our conservative captain choose not to try him against a minnow side..........i have no hopes that he ll be taken to SA

Edited November 29, 2017 by Ankit_sharma03

[maniac]

1 minute ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

Pandya is more with the bat then jadeja n bhuvi, ashwin im not sure as of now.......

 

Pandya is there to give the balance and thats what is the key, he doesnt have to bowl 20 overs in a day 

Pandya bowling is well equipped for overseas specially bouncy pitches .........and underestimating his bowling will prove costly to opp. As a bowler he just has to bowl 10-15 over which is a max 5th bowler wud....

 

Now if i play a bowler - the batting gets weeker specially with Saha as keeper and rahane being the inconsistent one........for what a max of 20 overs........

and 2 spinners against SA on Sa pitches with kookabura.........no please. Would have given a though if 2 were murali n warne but we have ashwin n jadeja 

 

Now if i play a batsman - we are asking our 140k bowlers to to bowl longer spells by holding their pace back...............not done that to for either rohit or dhawan. We have absolutely no bowling 

 

At times we get to much carried away with reputation, how bad can he be then dhawan n rohit were last time even if he wud be as bad as them with atleast he ll contribute with ball. On indian pitch i wud have counted out his bowling but on a bouncy pitch i wnt even count a rookie out who can bowl 140k+ and move the ball a bit

Pandya you said is a better bat than Ash,Jadeja or even Saha at the “test level” what is your basis for this...ok chalo let us say that is accurate...is he a better bowler(forget pace vs spin) just as a bowler is he better than those 2?

 

On a spicy South African pitch if 4 bowlers cannot get the job done than what is the point?

 

As I said allrounder is always a bonus...if Pandya can make it as batsman and can bowl some overs to give a break to the top 4 than great....similarly if  Pandya can be the top 4 bowler and can get some runs then that is a bonus.

 

Also in the history of cricket there are thousands of occasions when a 9,10,11 has outscored a top

ordet bat...does it mean you drop that batsman and start playing bowlers??? 

 

Sure You May have doubts about their technique but if the selectors think they are the best in the country it is their fault .....but you play them as batsmen Period...I mean the whole system is fked up if your thinking itself is to play a bowler because he will get more runs than a bat...you don’t go with that line of thinking.

 

[Ankit_sharma03]

15 minutes ago, maniac said:

Pandya you said is a better bat than Ash,Jadeja or even Saha at the “test level” what is your basis for this...ok chalo let us say that is accurate...is he a better bowler(forget pace vs spin) just as a bowler is he better than those 2?

Correction never said better then Ash , mentioned m not sure if he better then ash as of now

 

That were ur going wrong dont look for better batsman or better bowler, look for balance.

The better batsman n better bowler are not giving u balance

 

15 minutes ago, maniac said:

On a spicy South African pitch if 4 bowlers cannot get the job done than what is the point?

How spicy pitches are we going to get, SA knws give india spicy pitch and their bowlers get in the game but a patta can test our bowlers.....

Lets not be to sure spicy pitches and even if its a green mamba , it will settle in 2nd innings and high chance as a good batting surface.

 

his job is not to be the leading bowler , but to give them rest......and in that phase he is not an easy bowler that opp will take the game away ....something that binny did in 2015 SL tour . 

Now who wud u want those extra overs to be bowler pandya or rohit n kohli. Yep those few extra overs from rohit n kohli n session can change on its head

 

Now wudnt shami be bowling with more venom if he has to bowl 15-20 overs a day rather 25........that few overs of rest can be provided by pandya 

15 minutes ago, maniac said:

As I said allrounder is always a bonus...if Pandya can make it as batsman and can bowl some overs to give a break to the top 4 than great....similarly if  Pandya can be the top 4 bowler and can get some runs then that is a bonus.

Dnt look for that .........if that was the case he wud have been specialist .....he is not ....he is a potential all rounder who at best is giving is balance which is very important

15 minutes ago, maniac said:

Also in the history of cricket there are thousands of occasions when a 9,10,11 has outscored a top

ordet bat...does it mean you drop that batsman and start playing bowlers??? 

Their wnt be many occasion against this Sa attack who also has spinner that can clean the tail 

15 minutes ago, maniac said:

Sure You May have doubts about their technique but if the selectors think they are the best in the country it is their fault .....but you play them as batsmen Period...I mean the whole system is fked up if your thinking itself is to play a bowler because he will get more runs than a bat...you don’t go with that line of thinking.

 

I dnt have doubts ......its their perfomance in past who has put doubts in anyone mind, actually i thought they wud do well . 

 

Again i dnt think of pandya as a bowler or as a batsman, i think of him as bit n pieces of missing puzzle......

Thodi yaha se gap ko rokne,  thoda waha se

[sandeep]

@Ankit_sharma03 One thing's for sure - if we want to play Pandya at #6 as the 'balancing' act, then we have to play Vijay and not Dhawan.   

 

Vijay

Rahul

Pujara

Kohli

Rahane

Pandya

Saha

Jadeja

Bhuvi

Ishant

Shami

 

[fineleg]

On 11/27/2017 at 1:09 AM, beetle said:

He talks more sense because he married a sensible woman.

proof of that? :)

[rkt.india]

13 hours ago, maniac said:

Pandya you said is a better bat than Ash,Jadeja or even Saha at the “test level” what is your basis for this...ok chalo let us say that is accurate...is he a better bowler(forget pace vs spin) just as a bowler is he better than those 2?

 

 

yes, certainly a better bowler than those in SA conditions. As a batsman too isnt worse than Ashwin, Jaddu, Saha. 

[Ankit_sharma03]

6 hours ago, sandeep said:

@Ankit_sharma03 One thing's for sure - if we want to play Pandya at #6 as the 'balancing' act, then we have to play Vijay and not Dhawan.   

 

Vijay

Rahul

Pujara

Kohli

Rahane

Pandya

Saha

Jadeja

Bhuvi

Ishant

Shami

 

Why is dhawan even in contention , just becoz he wacked a poor side doesnt make him a bettter batsman overseas then vijay- hope captain understands this......or else yes dhawan n pandya in one lineup....against SA bowling

[King Tendulkar]

6 hours ago, sandeep said:

@Ankit_sharma03 One thing's for sure - if we want to play Pandya at #6 as the 'balancing' act, then we have to play Vijay and not Dhawan.   

 

Vijay

Rahul

Pujara

Kohli

Rahane

Pandya

Saha

Jadeja

Bhuvi

Ishant

Shami

 

Ashwin for jadeja and that’s my team

 

amazing ishant has made most people’s teams . But he looks much better then yadav 

 

real shame not having 2 or 3 warm up games to form better evaluations 

Edited November 30, 2017 by King Tendulkar

[beetle]

1 hour ago, fineleg said:

proof of that? :)

C'mon

What are the chances of her being less sensible that him ?

She got him to cut his hair .

[MCcricket]

17 minutes ago, beetle said:

C'mon

What are the chances of her being less sensible that him ?

She got him to cut his hair .

Beetleji biwi Hain koin cricket pitch to nahin, margin of error bahut Kum Hain, Baal katvao warna pass mat aana.

[sandeep]

8 hours ago, King Tendulkar said:

Ashwin for jadeja and that’s my team

 

amazing ishant has made most people’s teams . But he looks much better then yadav 

 

real shame not having 2 or 3 warm up games to form better evaluations 

Ash and Jadeja is a real toss-up.   To me, its a dead heat to select 2 out of Pandya, Ash and Jadeja.   Depends on the track I guess.  And if push came to shove, I would even possibly go with both Ash and Jaddu and make Pandya 12th man.  As much love I have for Pandya the LOI player, I don't trust him enough at this point in time, for test cricket against SA in SA.   Especially given that he didn't play a single test at home against SL.

[King Tendulkar]

44 minutes ago, sandeep said:

Ash and Jadeja is a real toss-up.   To me, its a dead heat to select 2 out of Pandya, Ash and Jadeja.   Depends on the track I guess.  And if push came to shove, I would even possibly go with both Ash and Jaddu and make Pandya 12th man.  As much love I have for Pandya the LOI player, I don't trust him enough at this point in time, for test cricket against SA in SA.   Especially given that he didn't play a single test at home against SL.

We simply can’t play 2 spinners in sa. Also pandya is real bat , ashwin and jadeja are not