Trichromatic Posted December 6, 2017 Posted December 6, 2017 He is not just taking wickets, but saving runs too. In last 1 year, he has looked a better bowler than Ashwin on unhelpful tracks. LORD_analyst, AuxiliA and Temujin Khaghan 3
BeautifulGame Posted December 6, 2017 Posted December 6, 2017 5 of the SA top six is RHB.Jadeja has to start ahead of Ashwin .Ashwin will just be ineffectual Detonator, velu, CoverDrive and 2 others 5
Gollum Posted December 6, 2017 Posted December 6, 2017 Yes he should. Earlier I voted for Ashwin mainly for his batting but that has now gone downhill. Jaddu can keep one end tight much better than Ashwin, moreover SA has many right handers. Against England Ashwin has to play because of 6-7 lefties in their XI plus Ashwin's county stint experience. Besides Jadeja looked decent in SA last tour while Ashwin looked decent in Eng. Temujin Khaghan and LORD_analyst 2
CoverDrive Posted December 6, 2017 Posted December 6, 2017 1 hour ago, BeautifulGame said: 5 of the SA top six is RHB. Jadeja has to start ahead of Ashwin .Ashwin will just be ineffectual Super point. Another less than a spinners Paradise and Ashwin could not run through. Jadeja was good and kept things tight. With four bowlers only Ashwins batting is less important
renjith Posted December 6, 2017 Posted December 6, 2017 If we only playing 4 bowlers, all 4 should have ability to pick wickets. Otherwise we are losing the match even before start. Neither ashwin nor jadeja can be expected to get wickets in sa. In that case why are we even considering them. Bumrah is 10 times better than these 2 on sa pitches (assuming shami, ishant and bhuvi are the 3 first choice seamers.). Why can't we play 4 seamers and have a part-time spinner bowl around 5 overs for resting main bowlers.
putrevus Posted December 6, 2017 Posted December 6, 2017 How is Nathan Lyon picking up wickets on docile Australian tracks where as Ashwin looks impotent on flat pitches.Ashwin has not looked same since groin injury in England series.His bowling as been spotty at best. They need to play five bowlers, even if fifth bowler gets one wicket.They have sorely missed fifth bowler in this test. sandeep and LORD_analyst 1 1
jusarrived Posted December 6, 2017 Posted December 6, 2017 Definitely and also he did well last time as well . Only concern is this will weaken our batting even further .
wanted_desi Posted December 6, 2017 Posted December 6, 2017 Wrist spinner should have been in the team instead of these two. Doesn't matter if you are #1 or #2 bowler in Indian conditions. Mosher, Laaloo and LORD_analyst 3
sandeep Posted December 6, 2017 Posted December 6, 2017 3 hours ago, renjith said: If we only playing 4 bowlers, all 4 should have ability to pick wickets. Otherwise we are losing the match even before start. Neither ashwin nor jadeja can be expected to get wickets in sa. In that case why are we even considering them. Bumrah is 10 times better than these 2 on sa pitches (assuming shami, ishant and bhuvi are the 3 first choice seamers.). Why can't we play 4 seamers and have a part-time spinner bowl around 5 overs for resting main bowlers. Who's this part-time spinner we have? And playing 4 seamers is a recipe for trouble - both from a workload, and an over-rate perspective. If a 4 man attack has to bowl 120+ overs in one innings - which is possible on a flat track, that might just nullify them for the series, not just that test. A 4 man attack implies that it will be very difficult to keep out Jadeja. He can be relied on to bowl 40+ overs an innings, at a decent econ rate, and that too very quickly. And he can take wickets as well. velu 1
sandeep Posted December 6, 2017 Posted December 6, 2017 3 hours ago, putrevus said: How is Nathan Lyon picking up wickets on docile Australian tracks where as Ashwin looks impotent on flat pitches.Ashwin has not looked same since groin injury in England series.His bowling as been spotty at best. They need to play five bowlers, even if fifth bowler gets one wicket.They have sorely missed fifth bowler in this test. +1. Our bowling unit needs that 5th bowler to share the work-load. Even if its an less effective spinner, or an inexperienced Pandya.
putrevus Posted December 6, 2017 Posted December 6, 2017 7 minutes ago, sandeep said: +1. Our bowling unit needs that 5th bowler to share the work-load. Even if its an less effective spinner, or an inexperienced Pandya. I will be so pissed at Kohli if he reverts to six batsmen. No way in hell India is going to win matches with just four bowlers.The more I watch this Ashwin bowl , the less I want him to play as a lead spinner.
rkt.india Posted December 6, 2017 Posted December 6, 2017 18 minutes ago, sandeep said: Who's this part-time spinner we have? And playing 4 seamers is a recipe for trouble - both from a workload, and an over-rate perspective. If a 4 man attack has to bowl 120+ overs in one innings - which is possible on a flat track, that might just nullify them for the series, not just that test. A 4 man attack implies that it will be very difficult to keep out Jadeja. He can be relied on to bowl 40+ overs an innings, at a decent econ rate, and that too very quickly. And he can take wickets as well. we could play a batting alrounder who could bowl decent spin, but do we have anyone like that?
rkt.india Posted December 6, 2017 Posted December 6, 2017 3 hours ago, putrevus said: How is Nathan Lyon picking up wickets on docile Australian tracks where as Ashwin looks impotent on flat pitches.Ashwin has not looked same since groin injury in England series.His bowling as been spotty at best. They need to play five bowlers, even if fifth bowler gets one wicket.They have sorely missed fifth bowler in this test. Lyon uses bounce to great effect.
maniac Posted December 6, 2017 Posted December 6, 2017 Yes ,but it should have been Kuldeep over both LORD_analyst and Nonbeliever 2
putrevus Posted December 6, 2017 Posted December 6, 2017 Just now, rkt.india said: Lyon uses bounce to great effect. He spins the ball also more but Ashwin I feel has lost that loop which he had, it is going to a very hard to sit Jadeja out.
putrevus Posted December 6, 2017 Posted December 6, 2017 What the heck has Kuldeep done to be selected ahead of Jadeja and ashwin. This notion that just because he is a wrist spinner he will be more effective is foolish. They did that in Australia by playing Karan ahead of both Jadeja and Ashwin.That move essentially lost them that test.
Gollum Posted December 6, 2017 Posted December 6, 2017 4 hours ago, putrevus said: How is Nathan Lyon picking up wickets on docile Australian tracks where as Ashwin looks impotent on flat pitches.Ashwin has not looked same since groin injury in England series.His bowling as been spotty at best. They need to play five bowlers, even if fifth bowler gets one wicket.They have sorely missed fifth bowler in this test. Lyon is a damn fine bowler, that's why. sandeep 1
putrevus Posted December 6, 2017 Posted December 6, 2017 6 minutes ago, Gollum said: Lyon is a damn fine bowler, that's why. Is ashwin a useless bowler even Lyon rates Ashwin better bowler than him.
sandeep Posted December 6, 2017 Posted December 6, 2017 16 minutes ago, rkt.india said: we could play a batting alrounder who could bowl decent spin, but do we have anyone like that? Would a Jayant Yadav or a Jalaj Saxena, really be worth the batting upgrade from an Ashwin or Jadeja, and worth the bowling downgrade? I don't think so. LORD_analyst 1
rkt.india Posted December 6, 2017 Posted December 6, 2017 22 minutes ago, putrevus said: He spins the ball also more but Ashwin I feel has lost that loop which he had, it is going to a very hard to sit Jadeja out. both are different type of bowlers. Lyon is a side on bowler and side on bowlers will always get more revs on the ball. LORD_analyst 1
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