Nawaz Sharif admits Pak based terror outfits responsible for 2008 Mumbai attacks

[sandeep]

1 hour ago, cric_fan said:

 

Not ‘my’ PM

 

This is the same person who was recently ousted over proven corruption. He is obviously licking Indian butt. There is more to this.

And the ones ousting him aren't corrupt?  

[Muloghonto]

2 hours ago, MechEng said:

That's the Greek version of the story, in Ferdowsi's Shahnameh it states something else it seems. There are alternate stories where Porus refrained from killing Alexander and let him go to keep the promise he made to Rukhsana, Alexander's wife.

 

 

Firdowsi's Shahnameh is not reliable - it has way too many errors in it. And it was also written over a thousand years later. 

Porus was crushed by Alexander pretty easily. 

 

[MechEng]

40 minutes ago, Muloghonto said:

Firdowsi's Shahnameh is not reliable - it has way too many errors in it. And it was also written over a thousand years later. 

Porus was crushed by Alexander pretty easily. 

 

So the accounts by Greeks have no errors? How do you know that?

[sandeep]

1 minute ago, MechEng said:

So the accounts by Greeks have no errors? How do you know that?

Mulo has a high opinion of his opinion.

[Muloghonto]

13 minutes ago, MechEng said:

So the accounts by Greeks have no errors? How do you know that?

The records of the Greeks are far more accurate, because they actually describe the battle, unlike Ferdowsi. 

Their writing is also a lot closer to the event than Firdowsi as well. 

 

The basic gist is this - Porus shadows Alexander's movements to prevent a crossing---> Alexander leaves part of his army in his camp by the riverside, instructing them to 'pretend like they are about to cross' to pin Porus's forces across the river and headed up-stream for 4-5kms with a part of his army, to cross.

Then in the night he crossed. When Porus realized what has happened, he sent his entire cavalry, commanded by his son, to intercept Alex. Alexander's elite companion cavalry, along with scythian (shaka) horse archer support, utterly annihilated Porus's son. 

Then it started to rain pretty hard as Alexander closed in. Indians at that time used body-length long bow,that they'd anchor in the ground to fire. Due to rain and mud, the chariots of Porus and his archers were completely ineffective. 

When Alexander makes contact with Porus, he closes the gap pretty fast, because his prime objective was to make sure Porus's 150 odd elephants were crammed by the river-side and had no space to manuever. This he accomplishes. While macedonian Phalanx carve through Indian infantry like knife through butter, it was tough going against the war elephants - who fought all day long and just 150 of them inflicted the bulk of casualies on Alex's forces, where the elephant cavalry alone killed over a 1000 macedonians.

 

After Porus surrenders, Alexander learns that the 'kings of Praesii and Gangaridai' ( Kashi and Ganga-Hridaya- most likely Magadh or bengal) were marching and were in the process of crossing the Ganges close to Moradabad, with a force totalling nearly 200,000 forces,of which, 10,000 were war elephant.

Diodorus directly states that 'upon hearing of such a large host, especially of the famed Indian war elephant and after having struggled so mightily against only 150, the courage of the Macedonians- wilted at long last and they mutined, asking to go home'.

 

 

[Mariyam]

Sikandar ne Porus, se ki thi ladayi... (<----must watch vid for all the history buffs on this thread)

 

On topic:

Lets see how GoI and our PR apparatus milks the most out of this Nawaz Sharif admission of guilt. Its something that we've been claiming and furnished proof about for a long time. I hope we play our cards (legal and other wise) right and renew our efforts in bringing the masterminds to pay for the terror attack.

 

 

[kira]

The only decent pakistani that I've come across is nawaz sharif, the poor guy really tried to initiate the peace process with India both in 1999 and 2014 when modi became PM, sad the jaahil pakistanis ousted him from the office

[kira]

5 hours ago, cric_fan said:

 

Not ‘my’ PM

 

This is the same person who was recently ousted over proven corruption. He is obviously licking Indian butt. There is more to this.

abey ghachedu you don't even live in pakistan, so obviously he's not your PM but if you consider yourself a pakistani then he is your former PM whether you like it or not, tere "not my PM" kehne se kuch nhi hoga 

[cric_fan]

abey ghachedu you don't even live in pakistan, so obviously he's not your PM but if you consider yourself a pakistani then he is your former PM whether you like it or not, tere "not my PM" kehne se kuch nhi hoga 

Thu chup kar. Shooo

[zen]

26/11 is connected to Hafeez Saaed, who is connected to Pak govt establishments so we don’t need Sharif’s take on this to add 2+2 but it is good to see the ex-PM opening up about this 

[rahulrulezz]

9 hours ago, Gollum said:

 

I will stick to Alexander winning version (Philip Freeman is a top source on Alexander who cites multiple references). But let's hear what @Muloghonto @rahulrulezz have to say.

Not even a question about it. Alexander won fair and square. Firdowsi was born way later and his book Shahnama(written like a poem) was written in 900 AD. There are various documented Greek sources which tells exact same stories and end result. Porus fought brave and hard however Alexander defeated him and was impressed by him. 

[Clarke]

It's not like we need more evidence on 26/11. The general padosi response oscillates between the two:

 

- the total whack jobs claim it's a Hindu/rss conspiracy.

- the relatively sane ones divert the conversation to samjhauta express & colonel purohit.

 

These opinions or admittances don't matter a dime unless their kangaroo courts actually pursue the trials properly.

[Gollum]

Based on social media reactions, most Pakistanis and Kashmiris loved what happened in 26/11. Even some Indian Muslims seem to celebrate that tragedy, considering more than 30 Indian Muslims died then. Do these monsters have no humanity left? Innocent civilians butchered in cold blood and these guys get some sadistic pleasure, what's the difference between them and IS/Boko Haram/AQ jihadis then?

[Alam_dar]

Latest:

 

Today Nawaz Sharif was asked that Government's argument was this that Mumbai Attack Case was not completed while Indian Government didn't provide the evidences and hanged Ajmal Qasab in hurry. 

 

Nawaz Sharif replied: "We have enough other evidences in order to give judgement in this case"

 

Source: BBC Urdu

 

At moment Zaki Ur Rehman Lakhwi is out of the jail on bail. 

 

Earlier Nawaz Sharif's party tried to get rid of this problem by telling that his statement was misrepresented. But now Nawaz Sharif left no doubts in this case. 

 

Now Nawaz Sharif being abused by the Nationalists (who are religious) to be a Secular and Liberal evil person, while Liberals are always traitors and always on the payroll of their foreign masters ..... 

 

 

At the same time, Army called an urgent meeting where Prime Minister was also called and then they released a statement saying that statement of Nawaz Sharif is wrong and deceptive. 

 

Conclusion:

* State of Pakistan was not involved in the Mumbai Attack, but the non state actors. 

* But State of Pakistan (Army?) has not taken action against these non state actors, despite having enough proofs. 

* Anyone who protest against it, he would be called a liberal traitor. 

[kira]

Nawaz should get the hell out of pakistan for his own safety, the army would already be hatching a plan to execute him after his recent statements

[sandeep]

On 5/12/2018 at 2:52 PM, Mariyam said:

Sikandar ne Porus, se ki thi ladayi... (<----must watch vid for all the history buffs on this thread)

 

On topic:

Lets see how GoI and our PR apparatus milks the most out of this Nawaz Sharif admission of guilt. Its something that we've been claiming and furnished proof about for a long time. I hope we play our cards (legal and other wise) right and renew our efforts in bringing the masterminds to pay for the terror attack.

 

 

What difference will our PR or efforts make.  PakMil isn't going to allow justice to take its course against its own "boys".  It can't afford to, they would have a civil war on their hands if the non-state "lovers of the prophet" feel that the PakMil have betrayed them.   

 

At some point, in the distant future, Pakistani establishment will eventually wean itself away from the Talibans and Tehreeks.  But that point is decades away.  

[Autonomous]

Nawaz Sharif was an angel compared to Twitter Khan. 

 

Things were heading towards the right direction....