Teenagers are no longer making debut for India

[rtmohanlal]

2 hours ago, Khota said:

Sheer pace bowlers can make a debut as they can only bowl so many overs. Batsman can wait as they have to mature. Going back to Tendulkar debut for me I dont see any positive in that. Instead of team it became all about him and his records.

as if other experienced matured batsmen in the team were scoring mountains of runs in the series in which Sachin played before he turned 21 years of age.

[Trichromatic]

1 minute ago, rtmohanlal said:

as if other experienced matured batsmen in the team were scoring mountains of runs in the series in which Sachin played before he turned 21 years of age.

SRT was best batsman of team since age of 19 (1992).

[putrevus]

On 7/28/2018 at 12:24 AM, Trichromatic said:

Player making debut before age of 20

Overall figures

Player	Span	Mat	Inns	NO	Runs	HS	Ave	100	50	0
JD Unadkat	2010-2010	1	2	1	2	1*	2.00	0	0	0
I Sharma	2007-2007	1	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-
PP Chawla	2006-2006	1	1	0	1	1	1.00	0	0	0
KD Karthik	2004-2004	1	2	0	14	10	7.00	0	0	0
IK Pathan	2003-2003	1	1	0	1	1	1.00	0	0	0
PA Patel	2002-2002	1	2	1	19	19*	19.00	0	0	1
M Kaif	2000-2000	1	2	0	35	23	17.50	0	0	0
A Nehra	1999-1999	1	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-
Harbhajan Singh	1998-1998	1	2	1	4	4*	4.00	0	0	1
A Kumble	1990-1990	1	1	0	2	2	2.00	0	0	0
SR Tendulkar	1989-1989	1	1	0	15	15	15.00	0	0	0
ND Hirwani	1988-1988	1	1	0	1	1	1.00	0	0	0
C Sharma	1984-1984	1	1	0	4	4	4.00	0	0	0
L Sivaramakrishnan	1983-1983	1	1	0	17	17	17.00	0	0	0
Maninder Singh	1982-1982	1	2	0	0	0	0.00	0	0	2
RJ Shastri	1981-1981	1	2	1	22	19	22.00	0	0	0
N Kapil Dev	1978-1978	1	1	0	8	8	8.00	0	0	0
DB Vengsarkar	1976-1976	1	2	0	13	7	6.50	0	0	0
M Amarnath	1969-1969	1	2	1	16	16*	16.00	0	0	1
S Venkataraghavan	1965-1965	1	1	0	4	4	4.00	0	0	0
BS Chandrasekhar	1964-1964	1	1	0	0	0	0.00	0	0	1

 

Overall figures

Decade	Players	Mat	Inns	NO	Runs	HS	Ave	100	50	0
2010s	1	1	2	1	2	1*	2.00	0	0	0
2000s	6	6	8	1	70	23	10.00	0	0	1
1990s	3	3	3	1	6	4*	3.00	0	0	1
1980s	6	6	8	1	59	19	8.42	0	0	2
1970s	2	2	3	0	21	8	7.00	0	0	0
1960s	4	4	6	1	45	16*	9.00	0	0	2
1950s	5	5	6	1	45	19	9.00	0	0	0
1930s	2	1	4	0	78	36	19.50	0	0	0

 

 

Age of 20-23

Overall figures

Decade	Players	Mat	Inns	NO	Runs	HS	Ave	100	50	0
1930s	8	3	16	2	397	118	28.35	1	2	2
1940s	7	5	13	2	225	57*	20.45	0	2	2
1950s	17	15	26	6	644	112	32.20	2	2	4
1960s	14	10	25	3	442	137	20.09	1	0	4
1970s	8	5	12	1	234	67*	21.27	0	2	0
1980s	17	14	28	4	555	110	23.12	1	2	3
1990s	16	14	26	6	558	131	27.90	1	2	0
2000s	16	14	21	6	274	105	18.26	1	0	1
2010s	11	10	17	1	390	120	24.37	1	2	0

 

 

24-27

Overall figures

Decade	Players	Mat	Inns	NO	Runs	HS	Ave	100	50	0
1930s	6	5	11	3	212	59	26.50	0	2	0
1940s	7	6	13	2	58	24	5.27	0	0	5
1950s	10	10	11	2	190	110	21.11	1	0	2
1960s	12	11	20	2	330	105	18.33	1	0	2
1970s	9	8	15	1	396	124	28.28	1	1	1
1980s	14	12	17	4	319	71	24.53	0	3	2
1990s	13	10	16	4	320	103	26.66	1	0	1
2000s	10	10	16	3	271	42	20.84	0	0	1
2010s	13	12	20	2	511	187	28.38	2	0	5

 

 

28-30

Overall figures

Decade	Players	Mat	Inns	NO	Runs	HS	Ave	100	50	0
1930s	5	2	10	1	204	39	22.66	0	0	0
1940s	6	5	11	1	242	85	24.20	0	2	2
1950s	6	6	9	1	84	39	10.50	0	0	3
1960s	1	1	1	0	9	9	9.00	0	0	0
1970s	1	1	2	0	81	77	40.50	0	1	0
1980s	2	2	4	0	72	29	18.00	0	0	0
1990s	3	3	4	0	75	75	18.75	0	1	3
2000s	3	3	5	1	70	36	17.50	0	0	1
2010s	3	3	6	1	151	78	30.20	0	2	0

 

 

Number of players making debut in different decades

Overall figures

Decade	Players	Mat	Inns	NO	Runs	HS	Ave	100	50	0
1930s	26	7	51	8	1066	118	24.79	1	5	4
1940s	25	11	46	6	622	85	15.55	0	4	10
1950s	42	25	57	11	1003	112	21.80	3	2	9
1960s	31	22	52	6	826	137	17.95	2	0	8
1970s	23	18	36	2	818	124	24.05	1	5	2
1980s	40	30	57	9	1005	110	20.93	1	5	7
1990s	36	26	51	11	986	131	24.65	2	3	5
2000s	37	26	53	12	726	105	17.70	1	0	4
2010s	29	24	47	5	1110	187	26.42	3	4	5

 

 

 

In last 5 years, only 12 players have made debut for India

Overall figures

Decade	Players	Mat	Inns	NO	Runs	HS	Ave	BF	SR	100	50	0	4s	6s
2010s	12	11	19	3	460	177	28.75	834	55.15	1	2	1	54	5

 

 

There is reason why they are not making debut, team is getting stronger and breaking into the team is not easy.

 

Teens should not be making debuts either. They need to have some FC experience before making debut, international cricket is not a place to learn.

[Vilander]

On 7/28/2018 at 1:17 AM, beetle said:

Kohli is a captain....not a leader. 

 

Shastri is there just for the fun and money....while it lasts.

Truer words never spoken in icf about these two

[Trichromatic]

16 minutes ago, putrevus said:

There is reason why they are not making debut, team is getting stronger and breaking into the team is not easy.

 

Teens should not be making debuts either. They need to have some FC experience before making debut, international cricket is not a place to learn.

Success should not be stopping players.

 

If anything team now get more dead rubbers than earlier, so more freedom to try players.

 

And players complain about workload.

 

These 2 factors should encourage trial of more players.

 

Lesser debuts isn't restricted to teenagers only, overall age of debut is going to higher in all age categories.

[Gollum]

All you guys missed Unadkat on that list? Last teenager to debut for India that too in the battle for top spot against an ATG SA team at Centurion !!!!

[putrevus]

13 minutes ago, Trichromatic said:

Success should not be stopping players.

 

If anything team now get more dead rubbers than earlier, so more freedom to try players.

 

And players complain about workload.

 

These 2 factors should encourage trial of more players.

 

Lesser debuts isn't restricted to teenagers only, overall age of debut is going to higher in all age categories.

Dead rubbers are still international cricket, it is unfair to punish players  who put in heart and soul to win a rubber only to lose their positions for dead rubbers.

 

I have seen some people commenting youngsters need to be debuted against weaker teams. My question is why should seniors who play tough series and see their stats get ruined relinquish their spots so youngsters can merry against weaker opponents.  if youngster is good enough he should play against everyone.

 

International games are pinnacle for sport and they are not freebies which need to be gifted.They have so many avenues to showcase their talents .Leave international cricket to players who have done something.The only spots which could feature youngsters not teens are fast bowlers.

 

Of all players you have listed only Kapil and Sachin were not dropped all others were dropped and went back to domestic cricket to better their crafts.Who is the youngster who has been denied, don't give me Gills and Shaws.

Edited July 29, 2018 by putrevus

[Texan]

On 7/28/2018 at 12:17 AM, beetle said:

Copy pasting my rant from another thread.....

 

Kohli doesn't want another star to emerge when he is the king of brands right now.

Some of these new players are stars of future and will eat into his brand market.

 

The guy who got his chance at 19 does not believe in youth but relies on recycling old experienced lot.

 

He probably wants to keep future competition out as long as he can....

 

He will make changes only when he starts losing as a captain and it starts effecting his brand value.

 

Kohli is a captain....not a leader. 

 

Shastri is there just for the fun and money....while it lasts.

 

 

You hit the nail on the head there. He will never pick anyone who he views as a threat to his position. He knows that all the oldies are no threat to him and he will keep recycling them. Classic example is the way he has treated Pant. He tries to put youngsters in positions where they are bound to fail instead of giving them a decent chance to prove their mettle.

[gattaca]

On 7/28/2018 at 11:12 AM, Rasgulla said:

Age is just a number. Present 37 yr old can beat that 18 or 30 yr old in yo yo test. 

Only for Dhoni to get booed off the ground. I wonder if they start a trend like this in India. 

[Khota]

51 minutes ago, rtmohanlal said:

as if other experienced matured batsmen in the team were scoring mountains of runs in the series in which Sachin played before he turned 21 years of age.

Days of Sachin they barely looked beyond Mumbai.

[putrevus]

7 minutes ago, Texan said:

You hit the nail on the head there. He will never pick anyone who he views as a threat to his position. He knows that all the oldies are no threat to him and he will keep recycling them. Classic example is the way he has treated Pant. He tries to put youngsters in positions where they are bound to fail instead of giving them a decent chance to prove their mettle.

What makes you think that he is afraid of anyone? Why should he be afraid of some youngster???

 

Is he stopping those youngsters from doing well in Ranjis or A tours or IPL. What youngsters are you referring he has given a chance where they were bound to fail.

[Rasgulla]

3 hours ago, gattaca said:

Only for Dhoni to get booed off the ground. I wonder if they start a trend like this in India. 

 Sachin got booed in his own hometown. Can't be worse than that. Its only England that he got booed in.

Edited July 29, 2018 by Rasgulla

[Gollum]

God I hate Karan Thapar but so desperately want a Devil's Advocate type show with Kohli on the seat. Bahut rulayega isko yaar !!!

[Texan]

8 hours ago, putrevus said:

What makes you think that he is afraid of anyone? Why should he be afraid of some youngster???

 

Is he stopping those youngsters from doing well in Ranjis or A tours or IPL. What youngsters are you referring he has given a chance where they were bound to fail.

He keeps recycling old players even when new players are doing well. He is afraid that a new player will rise similar to him and grab all the limelight. There is no such risk with playing old known entities like Karthik, Dhoni, Raina, etc.

 

Who says youngsters are not doing well in Ranjis or A tours or IPL? Pant, Shaw, Iyer have been doing well, but either don't get picked or don't get a long run in the team. 

 

The one I am particularly referring to is Pant. Even when he has been picked in the squad many times, he hardly gets matches to play. Classic example was in WI. He kept Pant on bench throughout the ODI series even after Dhoni slow coach innings of 54 at SR less than 50. He then played Pant in the sole T20I when clearly he was rusty having been on the bench for so long.

 

[Suhaan]

What the top brass of Bcci doing in recent years?they think of player bigger than the team itself.Are they blind who cannot see the childish politics played by the current regime?

This is a very very bad example to set in front of millions who follow the game with passion.I believe Kohl has already started a trend where every future Indian captain will be cashing on the position

No captain in the history of the game comes to my mind who is as egoistic,childish,selfish and annoying as Kohli

Its not going to help him in the longer run

Mark my words,you will find him out of the team come 2020 ....his then bad form wont help him

He isnt enjoying the DemiGod status unlike Dhoni,who dragged himself courtesy the starpower he has wont shy to even concede Dhoni has almost done it all

But Kohli is still to reach the 10% what he achieved..I anticipate a debacle at the wc 19

The start of the Great Decline

[Nikhil_cric]

On 7/28/2018 at 3:22 PM, express bowling said:

My biggest worry is that pacers are not debuting by age 22 or 23 in the last 2 years.

 

This is one area where debuting early is very important as pacers start to lose pace by age 30 - 32.  A new pacer, whenever he debuts, needs 2 to 3 years to mature if his learning ability is standard.

 

One would want a mature pacer bowling at full pace for as long as possible.

 

We have seen so many pacers debuting or near debut at ages 25 to 28 recently.  How many years will they have at full pace after they mature after 2 to 3 years  !

 

This lot of Nagarkoti 18, Mavi 19, Khaleel 20, Avesh 21 and Prasidh 22 ... need as many A-team games as possible, so that they can debut quickly.

 

 

This. Pacers should be in the team by 23/24 max so that they can learn on tour. Someone like a mohammad siraj would have learnt a lot on this tour rather than shardul thakur.

[putrevus]

11 hours ago, Texan said:

He keeps recycling old players even when new players are doing well. He is afraid that a new player will rise similar to him and grab all the limelight. There is no such risk with playing old known entities like Karthik, Dhoni, Raina, etc.

 

Who says youngsters are not doing well in Ranjis or A tours or IPL? Pant, Shaw, Iyer have been doing well, but either don't get picked or don't get a long run in the team. 

 

The one I am particularly referring to is Pant. Even when he has been picked in the squad many times, he hardly gets matches to play. Classic example was in WI. He kept Pant on bench throughout the ODI series even after Dhoni slow coach innings of 54 at SR less than 50. He then played Pant in the sole T20I when clearly he was rusty having been on the bench for so long.

 

So how is Pant a threat to Kohli?? Kohli himself moved to open in t20s to get others into the team. Pant will get his chances he is trying to replace MS which is not an easy task for any captain.

 

Shaw has not even played one season and you want him to in test team. If Iyer is the aggrieved player then Kohli is doing just fine.

 

He is not recycling the old players.Parthiv Patel was keeper when Saha got injured under Kumble too.

 

Rahane's benching in SA gets a lot of mention against Kohli too, but Kohli was not reason why Rahane couldn't buy a run against a weak opponent SL.

 

Vijay's injury brought back Dhawan into fold in SL when he was all set to play only ODIs and ever since Dhawan has done well too.

 

 

 

 

[Moochad]

The two teens I wanted to get into the Indian side quickly were Chand and Harmeet Singh. They both looked ready in the U-19 team which won it, but neither is even an IPL star now. 

[R!TTER]

12 minutes ago, UnknownGenius said:

Nothing to do with age. This I sjust micrcosm of damage selfish Tendulkar did to Indian cricket and it follows

 

He brought in over weight overhyped guys like Ramesh Powar to the team on no merit but pure bias and that trend continues

 

Kohli continues to pick garbage Rohit Sharma in all formats until recently when selection stepped in and dropped him from tests

 

All bout power and insecurity. Kohli knows Rohit is useless and will never challenge him as opposed to an alpha like KL Rahul so he persisits with Rohit who will beat up on s esmall teams on flat tracks once in a while and has his place secured 

Tum abhi tak Powar ke piche pade ho, tumhare Dhoni ne Raina ko test khila ke kya ahsaan kiya India pe, ya Vinay Kumar ko 

 

What about killing every wk/bat career who could replace him in the next WC, or overseas tests before he retired 

[UrmiSinhaRay]

What the top brass of Bcci doing in recent years?they think of player bigger than the team itself.Are they blind who cannot see the childish politics played by the current regime?
This is a very very bad example to set in front of millions who follow the game with passion.I believe Kohl has already started a trend where every future Indian captain will be cashing on the position
No captain in the history of the game comes to my mind who is as egoistic,childish,selfish and annoying as Kohli
Its not going to help him in the longer run
Mark my words,you will find him out of the team come 2020 ....his then bad form wont help him
He isnt enjoying the DemiGod status unlike Dhoni,who dragged himself courtesy the starpower he has wont shy to even concede Dhoni has almost done it all
But Kohli is still to reach the 10% what he achieved..I anticipate a debacle at the wc 19
The start of the Great Decline

Suhaan, you are my soul sibling in this forum.
I cannot express how much your posts are In agreement with mine.
I have been saying this since years that Kohli will struggle to garner fame after his retirement, well even during his twilight days of his career

The thing is , Kohli is a mere pawn of a section of the BCCI who are against Srini Mamu and supports CoA .
Shastri is a power hungry freeloader who can dance to everybody's tune.
One reason Dhoni was kicked out of captaincy in late 2016 was because the pro-CoA faction of the BCCI wanted to cement their reign in the organisation
Now here comes the plot twist.
After Shashank Manohar tried to minimise BCCI's excessive controlling power in ICC, terrified BCCI office holders(including many of the erstwhile anti-srini camp) ran to Srini to save their backs because apparently Srini is the only guy right now who can forward BCCI's case in ICC and counter Manohar.
And Srini grabbed this opportunity with both hands and is now working towards becoming the juggernaut he was before in Indian Cricket.
No wonder Sourav Ganguly, who has expressed his desire to become the BCCI chief rather vividly , is mixing with Srini so much these days.
And Dhoni too is gradually regaining his place (and power) in the organisation too.
No wonder CSK won the recent IPL after staging a miraculous comeback.
Now, Kohli Wants to become a power centre in Desi Cricket on his own, in part to bolster his own business empire.
And though he is dumb as hell, he has managed to realise that the only way to grab some power (and relevance) is sticking to MSD now because Srini Mamu is going to be the next Illuminati to control BCCI. (He already is to some extent).
That's why so many CSK players/players backed by Dhoni is getting into the team and Kohli is essentially licking Mahi's ass .
And Dhoni is no dickhead delusional dumb joke(unlike Kohli) and he is using this situation nicely to pawn Kohli into his own trap.
Contrary to popular belief, Kohli is massively jealous of Dhoni and is believed to secretly work against Dhoni according to some people.
Most players are Friendly with Dhoni and given Srini's rising clout within BCCI , are more likely to support Dhoni over Kohli.
Rohit is another player who is a fair-weather friend-he will switch to whoever benefits him more.
He pretends to be Kohli's friend but he isn't in reality.

To be frank, even Dhoni was similar to Kohli but the thing is, he was a much better strategist and man manager than Kohli.
He used to be the King instead of believing himself as king and merely become a pawn.

I don't think Kohli is going to be out by 2020-ping me if you are proven true.
But regardless how much runs he made this season, Kohli is definitely on the last legs of his career and I wonder if he would last till 2023 WC.
He is definitely gonna start struggling for his form in near future - in fact, the struggle has probably already begun.
Dhoni has a massive inflated ego, but at the same time-he is a master strategist and champion politician who carved his way from a lower middle class small town background to the Pinnacle of Indian Cricket while Kohli, for all his talent, is a selfish, delusional, childish guy with utopian ideals who have been only been able to come this far because he had right backers at the right time(and becomes a pawn to put forward their propagandas).
Haven't you seen how the general population regards Dhoni as some Machiavellian Messiah and while Kohli, even after having a near perfect Bilateral Win record , gets to hear that Kohli is a incompetent and insecure nincompoop and only wins matches because of Dhoni's experience?
He might've lost a dozen tourneys, but Dhoni will always remain our smiling Captain Cool, inspiring millions while Kohli's captaincy credentials were torn away after one Champions Trophy Loss.
And while Dhoni might've been an evil politicking guy, you have to give him credit for backing and supporting many talented players (Jadeja and Raina notwithstanding).
But Kohli is all about building his brand and push himself as the "Most Moral, Socially Aware Person of The World" .
But in this campaign of his, he ain't realising that His true love Shastri pawned him by directing the Kumble debacle blame towards solely Kohli and damaged his already negative public perception beyond repair.
Too bad Kohli's wife is equally delusional and pretentious as him.
The Rasta Pe kachhra incident was a good catalyser of the beginning of The Purge for Kohli.
People saw how vile and condescending Virushka were with a person who merely threw plastic on road despite doing stuff even more horrible.
During the FIFA WC, my FB timeline and Twitter was full of Kohli is a Panauti joke and the reverse Kohli the First Captain to win in england memes did nothing to alleviate Kohli's gradual declining fame.
Come 2019 wc and we'll see memes on him threatening to go the Poonam Pandey Way after their loss.


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