raki05 Posted September 14, 2018 Share Posted September 14, 2018 44 minutes ago, Tibarn said: A BK fan would say Bumrah is the one who failed in the CT and Bhuvi did his job overall, and they both went for ~8 an over in the death(last 5 overs) http://www.espncricinfo.com/series/8037/scorecard/1022375/india-vs-pakistan-final-icc-champions-trophy-2017 http://www.espncricinfo.com/series/8037/commentary/1022375/india-vs-pakistan-final-icc-champions-trophy-2017?innings=1 BOWLING O M R W ECON 0s 4s 6s WD NB B Kumar 10 2 44 1 4.40 34 2 2 1 0 JJ Bumrah 9 0 68 0 7.55 22 8 0 5 3 R Ashwin 10 0 70 0 7.00 25 4 3 4 0 HH Pandya 10 0 53 1 5.30 28 5 0 1 0 RA Jadeja 8 0 67 0 8.37 16 8 2 0 0 KM Jadhav 3 0 27 1 9.00 3 0 2 2 0 The truth is, at least in my opinion, we lost the CT because we were carrying Jadeja/Ashwin in the team, both of who were truly terrible in ODIs for the past few years. Also Kohli managed the bowlers poorly where Bumrah ended up with a over remaining and Jadhav was overbowled and gave up 16 runs in the 45th. At least bumrah got FZ out on no ball , what did bhuvi do, as an new ball bowler there is an expectation to get early breakthrough which he dint . Also his figure looks good at hindsight reality is he has given most of his run where he claimed to be best. Bumrah and wrist spinners especially Kuldeep not chota chetan are the reason we are competing well in bowling. Bhuvi and Chahal are dud in odi and until bhuvi played as an all-rounder he doesn't deserve his place as an fast bowler. UrmiSinhaRay and LORD_analyst 1 1 Link to comment
Rasgulla Posted September 14, 2018 Share Posted September 14, 2018 Beetle works for Bhuvi and Pant PR.. I don't want to say much beetle, zen, Switchblade and 2 others 1 2 1 1 Link to comment
Tibarn Posted September 14, 2018 Share Posted September 14, 2018 42 minutes ago, raki05 said: At least bumrah got FZ out on no ball , what did bhuvi do, as an new ball bowler there is an expectation to get early breakthrough which he dint . Also his figure looks good at hindsight reality is he has given most of his run where he claimed to be best. Bumrah and wrist spinners especially Kuldeep not chota chetan are the reason we are competing well in bowling. Bhuvi and Chahal are dud in odi and until bhuvi played as an all-rounder he doesn't deserve his place as an fast bowler. Everyone knows Bumrah is the best ODI bowler, but he failed in the CT final. BK did what was expected of him that game. 1 wicket and 44 runs. No one in team management expects him to take 2-3 wickets. They select him for his death bowling. Going for 8 rpo in the death isn't bad. Should he be replaced? Sure, why not? I'm always in favor of looking for better players. However, I don't think he will be replaced until after the WC. Quote Chahal are dud in odi and until bhuvi played as an all-rounder he doesn't deserve his place as an fast bowler. This I don't agree with: Last 3 years, minimum 20 innings bowled, matches vs top 9 teams(including Bangladesh) Overall figures Player Span Mat Inns Overs Mdns Runs Wkts BBI Ave Econ SR 4 5 Kuldeep Yadav (INDIA) 2017-2018 23 21 192.4 6 929 48 6/25 19.35 4.82 24.0 2 1 YS Chahal (INDIA) 2017-2018 23 22 203.1 7 997 39 5/22 25.56 4.90 31.2 1 1 Imran Tahir (SA) 2015-2018 41 40 354.0 11 1780 62 7/45 28.70 5.02 34.2 1 1 AU Rashid (ENG) 2015-2018 54 52 478.4 5 2563 87 4/41 29.45 5.35 33.0 4 0 KM Jadhav (INDIA) 2016-2018 33 21 98.5 0 512 16 3/29 32.00 5.18 37.0 0 0 A Zampa (AUS) 2016-2018 30 30 246.4 2 1422 39 3/16 36.46 5.76 37.9 0 0 MJ Santner (NZ) 2015-2018 46 43 361.1 6 1694 46 3/15 36.82 4.69 47.1 0 0 AR Nurse (WI) 2016-2018 24 23 192.5 3 1016 24 4/62 42.33 5.26 48.2 1 0 AG Cremer (ZIM) 2015-2018 23 22 176.5 3 870 20 4/32 43.50 4.91 53.0 1 0 MM Ali (ENG) 2015-2018 54 52 431.4 7 2233 47 4/46 47.51 5.17 55.1 1 0 Imad Wasim (PAK) 2016-2017 24 24 169.4 3 773 16 2/13 48.31 4.55 63.6 0 0 Sikandar Raza (ZIM) 2015-2018 23 20 137.2 5 718 13 3/21 55.23 5.22 63.3 0 0 Shakib Al Hasan (BDESH) 2016-2018 24 23 194.0 3 1089 18 3/47 60.50 5.61 64.6 0 0 TM Head (AUS) 2016-2018 38 26 127.3 0 737 12 2/22 61.41 5.78 63.7 0 0 Shoaib Malik (PAK) 2015-2018 33 21 101.0 2 582 7 2/45 83.14 5.76 86.5 0 0 JP Duminy (SA) 2015-2018 45 33 132.1 0 824 9 2/30 91.55 6.23 88.1 0 0 JE Root (ENG) 2015-2018 54 21 70.4 0 436 3 2/31 145.33 6.16 141.3 0 0 Kuldeep is by far the best ODI spinner, but Chahal is right there for #2. Moochad and UrmiSinhaRay 1 1 Link to comment
express bowling Posted September 14, 2018 Share Posted September 14, 2018 We should be ready to take tough decisions irrespective of names, if they are not showing consistency for 2 or 3 years. I liked Umesh a lot ... but want him dropped now since he has not shown consistency over a period of time. If Shami is unable to take sufficient number of wickets and clinch the important moments in Australia then he should be phased out of test matches too. Similarly, Bhuvi needs to be phased out of ODIs. Now that we are maturing as a bowling nation ... we need to pick only low average bowlers who are capable of clinching the key moments in matches. UrmiSinhaRay and zen 1 1 Link to comment
LORD_analyst Posted September 14, 2018 Share Posted September 14, 2018 41 minutes ago, express bowling said: We should be ready to take tough decisions irrespective of names, if they are not showing consistency for 2 or 3 years. I liked Umesh a lot ... but want him dropped now since he has not shown consistency over a period of time. If Shami is unable to take sufficient number of wickets and clinch the important moments in Australia then he should be phased out of test matches too. Similarly, Bhuvi needs to be phased out of ODIs. Now that we are maturing as a bowling nation ... we need to pick only low average bowlers who are capable of clinching the key moments in matches. i have said for about an year- Boobi is not an ODI bowler.....only overseas tests and t-20s suit him... express bowling and UrmiSinhaRay 1 1 Link to comment
LORD_analyst Posted September 14, 2018 Share Posted September 14, 2018 1 hour ago, raki05 said: At least bumrah got FZ out on no ball , what did bhuvi do, as an new ball bowler there is an expectation to get early breakthrough which he dint bumrah beat edge of fz about five times(one of them was no-ball)...boobie was pedestrian with the new ball. express bowling, raki05 and UrmiSinhaRay 1 2 Link to comment
Moochad Posted September 14, 2018 Share Posted September 14, 2018 5 hours ago, Tibarn said: Everyone knows Bumrah is the best ODI bowler, but he failed in the CT final. BK did what was expected of him that game. 1 wicket and 44 runs. No one in team management expects him to take 2-3 wickets. They select him for his death bowling. Going for 8 rpo in the death isn't bad. Should he be replaced? Sure, why not? I'm always in favor of looking for better players. However, I don't think he will be replaced until after the WC. This I don't agree with: Last 3 years, minimum 20 innings bowled, matches vs top 9 teams(including Bangladesh) Overall figures Player Span Mat Inns Overs Mdns Runs Wkts BBI Ave Econ SR 4 5 Kuldeep Yadav (INDIA) 2017-2018 23 21 192.4 6 929 48 6/25 19.35 4.82 24.0 2 1 YS Chahal (INDIA) 2017-2018 23 22 203.1 7 997 39 5/22 25.56 4.90 31.2 1 1 Imran Tahir (SA) 2015-2018 41 40 354.0 11 1780 62 7/45 28.70 5.02 34.2 1 1 AU Rashid (ENG) 2015-2018 54 52 478.4 5 2563 87 4/41 29.45 5.35 33.0 4 0 KM Jadhav (INDIA) 2016-2018 33 21 98.5 0 512 16 3/29 32.00 5.18 37.0 0 0 A Zampa (AUS) 2016-2018 30 30 246.4 2 1422 39 3/16 36.46 5.76 37.9 0 0 MJ Santner (NZ) 2015-2018 46 43 361.1 6 1694 46 3/15 36.82 4.69 47.1 0 0 AR Nurse (WI) 2016-2018 24 23 192.5 3 1016 24 4/62 42.33 5.26 48.2 1 0 AG Cremer (ZIM) 2015-2018 23 22 176.5 3 870 20 4/32 43.50 4.91 53.0 1 0 MM Ali (ENG) 2015-2018 54 52 431.4 7 2233 47 4/46 47.51 5.17 55.1 1 0 Imad Wasim (PAK) 2016-2017 24 24 169.4 3 773 16 2/13 48.31 4.55 63.6 0 0 Sikandar Raza (ZIM) 2015-2018 23 20 137.2 5 718 13 3/21 55.23 5.22 63.3 0 0 Shakib Al Hasan (BDESH) 2016-2018 24 23 194.0 3 1089 18 3/47 60.50 5.61 64.6 0 0 TM Head (AUS) 2016-2018 38 26 127.3 0 737 12 2/22 61.41 5.78 63.7 0 0 Shoaib Malik (PAK) 2015-2018 33 21 101.0 2 582 7 2/45 83.14 5.76 86.5 0 0 JP Duminy (SA) 2015-2018 45 33 132.1 0 824 9 2/30 91.55 6.23 88.1 0 0 JE Root (ENG) 2015-2018 54 21 70.4 0 436 3 2/31 145.33 6.16 141.3 0 0 Kuldeep is by far the best ODI spinner, but Chahal is right there for #2. We have 3 of the top 5 spinners over the last 3 years and 1 of them is a part timer Kuldeep is by far the best and Chahal is underrated! UrmiSinhaRay 1 Link to comment
Forever Indian Posted September 14, 2018 Share Posted September 14, 2018 Bhuvi has been average in ODIs agreed, but in last two World tourneys in England - CT 13 and CT 17 he was our best bowler. Our overall best bowler Bumrah went missing in CT 17 and averaged over 50. Bhuvi averaged 28 in CT 17 and 22 in CT 13. Our bowling was poor in CT 17 bcos our 2nd and 3rd Pacers Bumrah and Hardik averaged over 50 and picked only 4 wickets each in 5 matches. If the WC was happening anywhere other than England I would have said to drop Bhuvi, but as it is in England Bhuvi is a must. What India requires is a proper third seamer not Hardik. This is from CT 17: India bowling averages Player Mat Inns Overs Mdns Runs Wkts BBI Ave Econ SR 4 5 Ct St B Kumar 5 5 42.3 4 197 7 2/23 28.14 4.63 36.4 0 0 2 0 JJ Bumrah 5 5 42.0 1 210 4 2/28 52.50 5.00 63.0 0 0 1 0 KM Jadhav 5 3 12.0 0 67 3 2/22 22.33 5.58 24.0 0 0 3 0 UT Yadav 2 2 17.2 1 97 3 3/30 32.33 5.59 34.6 0 0 0 0 V Kohli 5 1 3.0 0 17 0 - - 5.66 - 0 0 2 0 R Ashwin 3 3 29.0 0 167 1 1/43 167.00 5.75 174.0 0 0 0 0 RA Jadeja 5 5 42.0 0 249 4 2/43 62.25 5.92 63.0 0 0 4 0 HH Pandya 5 5 39.0 1 233 4 2/43 58.25 5.97 58.5 0 0 1 0 Link to comment
beetle Posted September 15, 2018 Share Posted September 15, 2018 (edited) I feel bhuvi, shami , Umesh should also be made one format bowlers like Ishant . Bumrah should also be limited to 2 formats. This will keep them fit and fresh for the format they are suited for. Let odis be the blooding ground for young upcoming bowlers along with 1-2 experienced ones. The bowlers who perform well in 2 seasons of ipl should be tried in t 20s . Only long term performers in ranji ( atleast 2 good seasons) should be candidates for test debut ....if possible , after playing a few odis. Edited September 15, 2018 by beetle express bowling, UrmiSinhaRay and Rasgulla 2 1 Link to comment
express bowling Posted September 15, 2018 Share Posted September 15, 2018 (edited) 16 hours ago, beetle said: I feel bhuvi, shami , Umesh should also be made one format bowlers like Ishant . Bumrah should also be limited to 2 formats. This will keep them fit and fresh for the format they are suited for. Let odis be the blooding ground for young upcoming bowlers along with 1-2 experienced ones. The bowlers who perform well in 2 seasons of ipl should be tried in t 20s . Only long term performers in ranji ( atleast 2 good seasons) should be candidates for test debut ....if possible , after playing a few odis. Agree with most points. Best format for trying young pacers is ODIs and not T20Is. 2 good seasons is a good parameter for newbies. Shami is playing tests only. Umesh should be retricted to this format too. Bumrah should play only tests and ODIs ... but should play World T20s too, once in 4 years. Similarly, Bhuvi should play T20Is ... but also tests in swing friendly conditions. Edited September 15, 2018 by express bowling beetle and UrmiSinhaRay 1 1 Link to comment
Nikola Posted September 15, 2018 Author Share Posted September 15, 2018 16 hours ago, beetle said: I feel bhuvi, shami , Umesh should also be made one format bowlers like Ishant . Bumrah should also be limited to 2 formats. This will keep them fit and fresh for the format they are suited for. Let odis be the blooding ground for young upcoming bowlers along with 1-2 experienced ones. The bowlers who perform well in 2 seasons of ipl should be tried in t 20s . Only long term performers in ranji ( atleast 2 good seasons) should be candidates for test debut ....if possible , after playing a few odis. He should make himself all rounder in test cricket. This will solve many problems for our side in overseas too. He should have done it bit early (at start of africa tour atleast). He can score 30 - 40 or 50 runs but need to score 100 and try to score quick when wickets fall. He can't make place in side just as bowler in all conditions. In t20s and ipl he will obviously keep playing without doubt and that doesn't matter much. At age of 28 and when we have next overseas tour 4 years later when he will be 32-33 the time will run quick for him. He should try to be a reliable #6/7 and he can play for another 5 - 6 years. UrmiSinhaRay and beetle 1 1 Link to comment
Nikola Posted September 18, 2018 Author Share Posted September 18, 2018 (edited) This damn vvs laxman always makes bhuvi look like he is glenn mcgrath. SRH lobby. Edited September 18, 2018 by Nikola sensible-indian, OpeningBatsman and UrmiSinhaRay 1 2 Link to comment
Nikola Posted September 18, 2018 Author Share Posted September 18, 2018 Okay i am not here being anti-bhuvi. As a person i really like him but i fear that he won't be wicket taker when we need wickets from him. Yes he can still improve till worldcup but looking at his bowling today idk if he is gonna have impact in worldcup. We don't even have good backup bowler. Will have to look at Shami or Umesh for worldcup soon. UrmiSinhaRay 1 Link to comment
Ankit_sharma03 Posted September 18, 2018 Share Posted September 18, 2018 Good We have Prasidh, avesh their ...incase bhuvi is injured But in that case also we will go for Kaul UrmiSinhaRay 1 Link to comment
SUMO Posted September 18, 2018 Share Posted September 18, 2018 Siraj and khaleel could develop into something special Frustrated and UrmiSinhaRay 1 1 Link to comment
Lannister Posted September 19, 2018 Share Posted September 19, 2018 His days of playing ODIs are done. He is way past it and I don't see him troubling batsmen with his current pace. UrmiSinhaRay and Frustrated 1 1 Link to comment
rkt.india Posted September 19, 2018 Share Posted September 19, 2018 Saini's debut has been unnecessarily delayed. Switchblade 1 Link to comment
Nikola Posted September 19, 2018 Author Share Posted September 19, 2018 This performance from bhuvi gonna make sure he plays worldcup which might be bad news for fans. Frustrated, UrmiSinhaRay and raki05 1 2 Link to comment
Moochad Posted September 19, 2018 Share Posted September 19, 2018 On 9/18/2018 at 6:52 AM, Nikola said: This damn vvs laxman always makes bhuvi look like he is glenn mcgrath. SRH lobby. He just said BK is a wicket-taking bowler both with new ball and death UrmiSinhaRay 1 Link to comment
Nikola Posted September 19, 2018 Author Share Posted September 19, 2018 12 minutes ago, Moochad said: He just said BK is a wicket-taking bowler both with new ball and death watching vvs praise him like he is legend from last 2 - 3 years. Sehwag once said praising cause of srh teammate. Moochad, raki05 and UrmiSinhaRay 1 2 Link to comment
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