Squads announced for Aus series

[vvvslaxman]

I have no issues dropping DK from the squad.  Scenarios where he is expected to build a longer innings he goes missing. Good for T20 though for NOW.  Instead of playing Dhoni pointlessly  in the T20 games couldn't they have tried all these guys.

[vvvslaxman]

In a world cup, fresh players are absolute wild cards. Teams cannot come up with plans in a short period where as "the so called experienced" guys can be tied down if opposition wants to. India's "experience" is going to be the ultimate demise for us in this world cup.

[Moochad]

This will be the last chance for either Pant or Rahul to show they belong in the playing X1, or will Rayudu seal his place?

[bowl_out]

The biggest question is who will make way for Pant, Rahul and Shankar to play in the XI.

 

If Kohli went with his first choice XI, none of these three would feature in it

[sandeep]

52 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

that batting lineup had one gr8 batsman after another who cud single hardly win u games, this batting lineup is over after 3 so u need someone who can make a big score if needed. Those cameo role wont work with this batting. Raina also offered fielding n bowling Dk doesnt .

DK since his comeback has been gr8 with cameos but never stood-up under collapse which is expected of him as an experienced player 

Karthik perfomances has been in t20 not odi , so cnt say have been unfair to DK.

Pant has played gr8 knocks at test level which shows he can turn the game on its head, DK can but in a limit scenario. Pant also gives us a leftie ....pant has an aura now . 

We have a very strong top 3.  And a very good #7.   Jadhav and Rayudu may not look impressive but they are solid contributors in their roles.  Our middle-order is seriously under-strength in boundary-hitting, apart from Hardik.  DK brings a valuable skill-set to the table.  ODI is not test cricket, we don't need centuries at #6.   Karthik can be a valuable contributor potentially.  

 

At this point in time, if we are in a must-win WC game, and need to chase 7 to 8 runs an over for 15 overs, will you trust Dhoni to come through?  I love MS, he was and is a legend, but in such a scenario, he will come through for the opposition, unless he gets out without eating too many balls.  Pandya will be left with too much to do.  We need a boundary hitter with some level of reliability and consistency.  Raina was amazing at this.  Pant is too raw and inexperienced, he could have been the answer, but his shot selection and range of options are very limited.  He should have been given 20+ games to properly develop in int'l white ball cricket.  We don't have that time left now.  

 

"Aura" is bullshit.  

[Ankit_sharma03]

11 minutes ago, sandeep said:

We have a very strong top 3.  And a very good #7.   Jadhav and Rayudu may not look impressive but they are solid contributors in their roles.  Our middle-order is seriously under-strength in boundary-hitting, apart from Hardik.  DK brings a valuable skill-set to the table.  ODI is not test cricket, we don't need centuries at #6.   Karthik can be a valuable contributor potentially.  

pandya lacks exp so even he cant be trusted in collapse situation. 

Our middle order is also under strength in case of a collapse and one day will come when top 3 wud fail....its a guarntee one day wud come and those days in last few yrs still dhoni has been our best bet the guy who is on his depilating side. 

 

Pant is as good a boundary hitter in the country as anyone, DK is also dam good but thats end of DK skill set. A collapse and he hasnt done jackshit in last many yrs. ODI cricket -test cricket comparsion can be given incases of players like pujara or rahane. Guys like rahul , pant dnt lack skill set for LOI.....they just need to score

 

I dnt even remember jadhav standing in collapse situation . Atleast he offers a second skill but DK doesnt plus the guy drop dollies in the field (this cud hurt the team as well)

 

Pant n DK can both hit boundaries but DK cnt stand in collapse for sure...pant might or might not but Dk for sure cant. 

 

forget 100, dk cnt even score 60-70 , that u shud be able to in ODI cricket. 

 

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At this point in time, if we are in a must-win WC game, and need to chase 7 to 8 runs an over for 15 overs, will you trust Dhoni to come through?  I love MS, he was and is a legend, but in such a scenario, he will come through for the opposition, unless he gets out without eating too many balls.  Pandya will be left with too much to do.  We need a boundary hitter with some level of reliability and consistency.  Raina was amazing at this.  Pant is too raw and inexperienced, he could have been the answer, but his shot selection and range of options are very limited.  He should have been given 20+ games to properly develop in int'l white ball cricket.  We don't have that time left now.  

 

"Aura" is bullshit.  

its not dhoni vd DK, its DK vs Pant . I wud trust DK more, still pant wont be far behind

But in 18/4 situation if its dk vs pant , ill put a bet on pant coz DK for years hasnt done it pant might just do it 

 

Dk n reliability never went in same sentence , neither did raina ever. U cnt be reliable ever when u have hit from ball 1 

 

If pant shot selection is an issue so is DK temperament . Cameos work in t20 not ODIs

And their is no issue with Pant boundary hitting skill.....

 

Edited February 15, 2019 by Ankit_sharma03

[nitinbwj]

4 hours ago, Jimmy Cliff said:

At least there's no Rahane or Unadkat . 

or Veenie...

[sandeep]

47 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

Dk n reliability never went in same sentence , neither did raina ever. U cnt be reliable ever when u have hit from ball 1 

 

Short memories.  Raina was more reliable than Yusuf Pathan - hence he made the team ahead of Yusuf in the WC playoffs.  Similar argument can be made for DK vs Pant - Pant "on his day" can take the game away, but he's a gamble.  DK is no Raina, but out of all the candidates, if you had to pick one guy out of this bunch, you would trust more with the bat in a crunch chase needing someone to give you a 25-ball 40, after Hardik, its him.  

 

I would actually have wanted to let Rishabh loose at the top of the order - and give him 15 games where it didn't matter if he got out cheaply 5 times.  With 3 fielder power-play, he could our QdK.  

[vishalvirsingh]

5 hours ago, ShoonyaSifar said:

If the choice was between Kaul and Khaleel, Khaleel should have been backed, Has done much more compared to Kaul

Both are rubbish... Siraj should have been given one or two odi's. 

[Ankit_sharma03]

10 minutes ago, sandeep said:

Short memories.  Raina was more reliable than Yusuf Pathan - hence he made the team ahead of Yusuf in the WC playoffs. 

Raina reliable ?? both were unreliable one made it coz other failed their . A series before yusuf was our 2nd highest run getter that to in SA. 

Raina got ahead also due to his fielding. 

Raina ddi well for sometime and then was caught for his issues .

More reliable then yusuf doesnt mean reliable , coz yusuf himself was a low benchmark 

10 minutes ago, sandeep said:

Similar argument can be made for DK vs Pant - Pant "on his day" can take the game away, but he's a gamble.  DK is no Raina, but out of all the candidates, if you had to pick one guy out of this bunch, you would trust more with the bat in a crunch chase needing someone to give you a 25-ball 40, after Hardik, its him.  

Pant vs DK 

u knw what ull get with DK- max a cameo 

Pant - u dnt knw so doesnt the opposition, cud be even worse then DK 

 

thats were a captain has to decide does he want 30-40 cameo or a player who can change the game.  With DK their is a limit and incase of Pant sky is the limit and so is gutter ..........

DK - limited option

Pant - yeah gamble but worth it atleast when its about sitting on bench only. 

10 minutes ago, sandeep said:

I would actually have wanted to let Rishabh loose at the top of the order - and give him 15 games where it didn't matter if he got out cheaply 5 times.  With 3 fielder power-play, he could our QdK.  

With guys like Pant, rahul .....i dnt care much where they bat but they shud bat around kohli n MS mostly to get the basics of game for around 20 games. Kohli n MS also learned batting aroud  sachin , gambhir, yuvraj , dravid ....so shud be done to these 2

[vvvslaxman]

Batting - Forget about it. No matter what the combo is it will be a crappy middle order

Now just focus on bowling. That is the only way we can get far in this world cup. Picking Kaul is ridiculous. What has he achieved in List A?

[Ankit_sharma03]

Just now, vvvslaxman said:

Batting - Forget about it. No matter what the combo is it will be a crappy middle order

Middle order can be worked smartly

Bat shankar at 4, if rahul gets his act right their even better. ull  have someone who can complement top 3

Shankar gives u an option of 6th bowler so pant can play in place of jadhav, which gives u leftie to .......

 

Dhoni wnt look bad if he has better batsman around him, they can save him

 

[sandeep]

6 hours ago, ShoonyaSifar said:

If the choice was between Kaul and Khaleel, Khaleel should have been backed, Has done much more compared to Kaul

For now, Khaleel's utility to the team is best served as a net bowler offering practice for decent left-arm pace.  He is raw.  But there is enough there to work with.  Its up to him whether he fashions himself into a Bumrah or a Umesh yadav as far as white ball cricket is concerned.

 

Siraj is an intriguing prospect for me.  He can be the next Shami potentially, but he needs grooming.   Indian cricket does not do a good job of developing pace bowlers.  Zaheer and Ishant blossomed after county cricket stints and guidance from coaches like Jason Gillespie.  Bumrah came through the ranks on his own - he's a freak.  

 

I would absolutely love to see BCCI hire Jason Gillespie as a pace bowling coach for India A.  Even if it is for short consulting stints, but on a recurring basis.  

[flamy]

1 hour ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

Middle order can be worked smartly

Bat shankar at 4, if rahul gets his act right their even better. ull  have someone who can complement top 3

Shankar gives u an option of 6th bowler so pant can play in place of jadhav, which gives u leftie to .......

 

Dhoni wnt look bad if he has better batsman around him, they can save him

 

Shankar vs Jadhav bowling, Jadhav easily.

Shankar can't bowl, he just rolls his arm over as of now.

[wanted_desi]

7 hours ago, VT87 said:

Why are Rohit and Dhawan playing every game?

They don't want anyone else showing that opening is so easy, you can pretty much make a career out of it. 

[wanted_desi]

Only interest i have in this series it that i want Birayni to fail everytime so he can be kicked out of WC squad. I really don't mind others. 

[flamy]

7 hours ago, VT87 said:

Why are Rohit and Dhawan playing every game?

They are out of form. 

[flamy]

Interesting to see what the XI will be.

 

Will they play Rahul in place of Rayudu? Shankar in place of Jadhav?

[Ankit_sharma03]

1 hour ago, flamy said:

Shankar vs Jadhav bowling, Jadhav easily.

Shankar can't bowl, he just rolls his arm over as of now.

he can give 4-5 overs, dont expect him to bowl like a main bowler. He ll be handy in overcast conditions. He has been economical to 

 

[flamy]

2 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

he can give 4-5 overs, dont expect him to bowl like a main bowler. He ll be handy in overcast conditions. He has been economical to 

 

On flat pitches in Eng, it would be asking for trouble if we are depending on Shankar and Pandya to complete 5th bowler quota.

 

Jadhav is more useful in that regard, which is why I think he is a lock in the 11 for sure.