MechEng Posted March 8, 2019 Posted March 8, 2019 These days we have a new craze for evidences for military operations. What people don't understand is that evidences are more cryptic in nature which is not meant to be explained to the public, as that would be considered a leakage of intel data. It's not a call of duty game where you get to see explosions and terrorists dying as evidences. Real world evidence is mostly data and should never be shared anywhere. Laaloo and Gollum 2
Laaloo Posted March 8, 2019 Posted March 8, 2019 It’s the world we live in today. We want evidences for everything. Lannister 1
MechEng Posted March 8, 2019 Author Posted March 8, 2019 5 minutes ago, Laaloo said: It’s the world we live in today. We want evidences for everything. During 26/11 the terror operators used media coverage efficiently to guide the terrorists inside Taj hotel to fight NSG soldiers. Imagine what will happen if an extreme satyavadi gives out the actual intel data for Balakot strikes.
beetle Posted March 8, 2019 Posted March 8, 2019 32 minutes ago, MechEng said: These days we have a new craze for evidences for military operations. What people don't understand is that evidences are more cryptic in nature which is not meant to be explained to the public, as that would be considered a leakage of intel data. It's not a call of duty game where you get to see explosions and terrorists dying as evidences. Real world evidence is mostly data and should never be shared anywhere. It is so ridiculous. Now the forces are supposed to go to operations keeping in mind that they will be asked for evidence ,instead of putting all their energies into the operations. Besides military operations are not supposed to be put out there in the open always. Our opposition is acting like arse*****. Guess election time is for politicians to turn into that. Even Modi should chill down about talking about it in his public meets . People know the forces have a green signal from the govt. No need for extra drama that can be seen as using it for self promotion. dial_100 and Laaloo 2
coffee_rules Posted March 8, 2019 Posted March 8, 2019 From 2004-2014 , for all terrorist activities in India, Congress blamed Pakistan and Pakistan asked for Proof (congress sent dossiers) Since 2014, For terrorists activities, BJP retaliated and conducted strikes in Pak , Congress is asking for Proof!
Lannister Posted March 8, 2019 Posted March 8, 2019 I am not a Congress sympathizer. But isn't BJP also using this incident to gain votes? They confirmed to Indian public that there were 300 casualties and now many international media have started to question that claim. Even if there weren't any casualties, we should applaud the courage shown by our soldiers for carrying out this mission. If not now, they will surely succeed in the future. So why did BJP twist the facts and provide wrong numbers? Laaloo 1
MechEng Posted March 8, 2019 Author Posted March 8, 2019 9 minutes ago, Lannister said: I am not a Congress sympathizer. But isn't BJP also using this incident to gain votes? They confirmed to Indian public that there were 300 casualties and now many international media have started to question that claim. Even if there weren't any casualties, we should applaud the courage shown by our soldiers for carrying out this mission. If not now, they will surely succeed in the future. So why did BJP twist the facts and provide wrong numbers? The total deaths of 300 is based on a cell phone theory that 300 cell phones were active in Balakot terror camp before the air strikes and all of them were deactivated immediately after the strikes. The government should not display the evidence even if there is a solid proof because as I said you don't give out intel data just like that. In India we overdo democracy, sometimes it's better to trust our military.
Lannister Posted March 8, 2019 Posted March 8, 2019 2 minutes ago, MechEng said: In India we overdo democracy, sometimes it's better to trust our military. But no one from the military has said that there were 300 casualties. It was BJP who have made that claim, rather irresponsibly, and it's upto them to provide proof if they don't want to look like a fool infront of the international media.
MechEng Posted March 8, 2019 Author Posted March 8, 2019 8 minutes ago, Lannister said: But no one from the military has said that there were 300 casualties. It was BJP who have made that claim, rather irresponsibly, and it's upto them to provide proof if they don't want to look like a fool infront of the international media. It's not BJP but the internet public craving for evidence is making us look like fools in front of international media. You will never hear Americans and Israelis demanding CIA and Mossad to put everything on public display about what they do. Also irrespective of how divided democrats and republicans are in US, you'll never see them questioning each other when it comes to war on terror in the middle east, unlike people from our side would go as far as supporting Pakistan on social media during such times. LordPrabhzy and Laaloo 1 1
speedheat Posted March 8, 2019 Posted March 8, 2019 (edited) These congressi buffoons are getting desperate and in a heat of things ends up giving silly statements. Yesterday one Congressi was saying pulwama attack was match fixing between imran and modi. how ridiculous can any one be?? I urge posters here please try to vote modi in upcoming election and if you are still not happy with modi please go for AAP but avoid the biggest leech on earth khangress. Edited March 8, 2019 by speedheat DHONI_FANN and Laaloo 2
Stradlater Posted March 8, 2019 Posted March 8, 2019 4 hours ago, MechEng said: These days we have a new craze for evidences for military operations. What people don't understand is that evidences are more cryptic in nature which is not meant to be explained to the public, as that would be considered a leakage of intel data. It's not a call of duty game where you get to see explosions and terrorists dying as evidences. Real world evidence is mostly data and should never be shared anywhere. You think these people with obvious malicious agenda care about evidences? You bring one and they would start nitpicking and counter it with enemy Propaganda. Earlier it was only restricted to politicians but now Ghaddars civilians have joined the fray too. Like I said before , this Pulwama attack has exposed quite a few traitors in our midst , some of them are on this very site itself. Turning_track and DHONI_FANN 1 1
Lannister Posted March 8, 2019 Posted March 8, 2019 3 hours ago, MechEng said: It's not BJP but the internet public craving for evidence is making us look like fools in front of international media. But don't you think it's BJPs political agenda that's tarnishing our military's image here. Where is this 300 figure came from? Did BJP consult the army before giving out such irresponsible statement? So far the army hasn't made any comment on the casualties. Even they are not sure about the actual numbers and Modi's government pulled it out from their ass. Now international media are making fun of our army. 3 hours ago, MechEng said: You will never hear Americans and Israelis demanding CIA and Mossad to put everything on public display about what they do. Also irrespective of how divided democrats and republicans are in US, you'll never see them questioning each other when it comes to war on terror in the middle east, unlike people from our side would go as far as supporting Pakistan on social media during such times. I am sure US government will not be so irresponsible when it comes to matters such as this. Laaloo 1
goose Posted March 8, 2019 Posted March 8, 2019 actually it's the not wanting evidence that is the more irrational stance. we should always demand evidence Lannister and manu4411 2
Lannister Posted March 8, 2019 Posted March 8, 2019 38 minutes ago, MultiB48 said: Yeah, I suppose all their propagandas and successive invasions and destruction of anti western regimes and their countries are acceptable . Bin Laden is dead. Do you see any international media questioning that claim? Here Modi's government is harping about killing 300 terrorists, when not even our army are sure about the actual numbers. Laaloo 1
CG Posted March 8, 2019 Posted March 8, 2019 No access to Pakistan religious school that India says it bombed: ReutersIt is the third time in the past nine days that Reuters reporters have visited the area – and each time the path up to what villagers say was a religious school run at one time by militant group Jaish-e-Mohammed (JeM) and what the Indian government says was a “terrorist” training camp - was blocked.https://in.reuters.com/article/india-kashmir-pakistan-madrasa/no-access-to-pakistan-religious-school-that-india-says-it-bombed-idINKCN1QO26W
Alam_dar Posted March 8, 2019 Posted March 8, 2019 4 hours ago, MechEng said: It's not BJP but the internet public craving for evidence is making us look like fools in front of international media. You will never hear Americans and Israelis demanding CIA and Mossad to put everything on public display about what they do. Also irrespective of how divided democrats and republicans are in US, you'll never see them questioning each other when it comes to war on terror in the middle east, unlike people from our side would go as far as supporting Pakistan on social media during such times. Then the negative side is incidents like Iraq, where CIA itself fabricated the false proofs and then they killed more than million people in Iraq. Or when Trump blamed Assad for Chemical bomb attack, and then fired hundreds of cruise missiles upon Syria. The Israeli government or forces attack, but never say a word about it. Never brag how many people they killed etc. Absolutely no word. What BJP did, was totally against it.
Alam_dar Posted March 8, 2019 Posted March 8, 2019 17 minutes ago, CG said: No access to Pakistan religious school that India says it bombed: Reuters It is the third time in the past nine days that Reuters reporters have visited the area – and each time the path up to what villagers say was a religious school run at one time by militant group Jaish-e-Mohammed (JeM) and what the Indian government says was a “terrorist” training camp - was blocked. https://in.reuters.com/article/india-kashmir-pakistan-madrasa/no-access-to-pakistan-religious-school-that-india-says-it-bombed-idINKCN1QO26W In this news, the reuters team was allowed to go 100 meters near the building, and they shot this image. The pine trees are undamaged. Building is also not a Bunker, and such huge blasts should have damaged the building to some limits at least. According to the locals, the Madrasa was closed last year in the June. I conclude: 1) Indian Army/Air Force are not Angels. They may make a mistake. 2) And if the Madrassa was really closed last year, then it seems to be the failure of the Indian Intelligence too, which should be a major concern, even more than the Air Force one. I would be happy if these Jihadists would have been really killed in big numbers while they are not only enemy of India, but also of Pakistan and whole humanity. But I would be more happy if India and Pakistan could sit on the table and resolve the Kashmir issue, so that Pakistan could get rid of these Jihadists on it's side. I am telling it again and again that Political leadership of Pakistan want to get rid of these Jihadists, but Indian side is not responding positively at moment, as it did during the Musharraf era. Laaloo 1
coffee_rules Posted March 8, 2019 Posted March 8, 2019 43 minutes ago, Alam_dar said: In this news, the reuters team was allowed to go 100 meters near the building, and they shot this image. The pine trees are undamaged. Building is also not a Bunker, and such huge blasts should have damaged the building to some limits at least. According to the locals, the Madrasa was closed last year in the June. I conclude: 1) Indian Army/Air Force are not Angels. They may make a mistake. 2) And if the Madrassa was really closed last year, then it seems to be the failure of the Indian Intelligence too, which should be a major concern, even more than the Air Force one. I would be happy if these Jihadists would have been really killed in big numbers while they are not only enemy of India, but also of Pakistan and whole humanity. But I would be more happy if India and Pakistan could sit on the table and resolve the Kashmir issue, so that Pakistan could get rid of these Jihadists on it's side. I am telling it again and again that Political leadership of Pakistan want to get rid of these Jihadists, but Indian side is not responding positively at moment, as it did during the Musharraf era. https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/world/pakistan/3rd-time-in-9-days-pakistan-stops-media-from-visiting-madrassa-bombed-by-iaf/articleshow/68318987.cms They have been denied entry. Why is Pakistan showing only about Sat images and not let international media into the bldg and showing the videos to all? India has waited for 70 years for Pak stop terrorism first before dialogue. twice in NDA govts, they have extended the hand first and then get bitten. Pak is always blaming non-state actors, hell with it. We will help them deal with non-state actors.
Alam_dar Posted March 8, 2019 Posted March 8, 2019 2 hours ago, coffee_rules said: https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/world/pakistan/3rd-time-in-9-days-pakistan-stops-media-from-visiting-madrassa-bombed-by-iaf/articleshow/68318987.cms They have been denied entry. Why is Pakistan showing only about Sat images and not let international media into the bldg and showing the videos to all? India has waited for 70 years for Pak stop terrorism first before dialogue. twice in NDA govts, they have extended the hand first and then get bitten. Pak is always blaming non-state actors, hell with it. We will help them deal with non-state actors. India was going very well during Musharraf era, but then Musharraf became weaker in Pakistan. You have to understand that despite political will, Pakistan is not going to stop its activities in Indian Kashmir. We are going only in circles. Indian side saying Kashmir is their part since thousands of years. While Pakistani side saying Pakistan was also a part in history, but not today. And the majority of Kashmiris not want to part of India. The best solution is when Kashmir becomes independent with International assurances for water and other issues. coffee_rules 1
Muloghonto Posted March 8, 2019 Posted March 8, 2019 1 hour ago, Alam_dar said: India was going very well during Musharraf era, but then Musharraf became weaker in Pakistan. You have to understand that despite political will, Pakistan is not going to stop its activities in Indian Kashmir. We are going only in circles. Indian side saying Kashmir is their part since thousands of years. While Pakistani side saying Pakistan was also a part in history, but not today. And the majority of Kashmiris not want to part of India. The best solution is when Kashmir becomes independent with International assurances for water and other issues. only kashmir valley is the problem. Ladakh and Jammu- including Ladakhi muslims- do not want to be part of Pakistan or independent.
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