Heads should roll.

[Deleted_User_1]

India should get the title of choker saali from SA. This is worse than losing to Pak.

 

Bewrat should hang head in shame!

[Vilander]

1 minute ago, sandeep said:

And its a bit of selfish thinking too - I wanted to see him succeed against the odds today.  So that we could see India into the finals.  So that I could get together with my family, my 3 year old daughter, my niece and nephew, and have a great Sunday with everybody dressed in their India shirts

Commiserations some here are true fans, but the team did pretty well and Jadeja did well in the end. 

[maniac]

1 minute ago, sandeep said:

Look - I don't disagree that the Dhoni chase method was not the way to go.  But you got to accept the fact that today's Dhoni is what he is - with his drastically reduced hitting capacity, with his "take it deep" mindset.  Don't have to agree with it, but just recognize it for the reality that it is.  What I don't accept, is the choice by team captain and coach to hold him back.  Its not Dhoni's job to decide that, even if he prefers it that way.  Its the leadership that decides the right tool for the right job, and the right batsman at the right time.  

 

And I agree with you that "refusing singles" was a bad gamble - a much worse one, than the risky double that saw him run out.  

 

But, my perspective on it, takes into account the entirety of Dhoni's career.   not just the last 2-3 years.  30 'bad' ODIs don't wipe out the 300 great ones.   When he was the trailblazer that was instrumental in changing Indian ODI batting mindset from habitual chokers to habitual successful chasers.    

 

And its a bit of selfish thinking too - I wanted to see him succeed against the odds today.  So that we could see India into the finals.  So that I could get together with my family, my 3 year old daughter, my niece and nephew, and have a great Sunday with everybody dressed in their India shirts. 

 

Not to be.    Maybe next time.  

Those 30 bad matches included 2 WC’s and a few WT20s

[Vijy]

1 minute ago, sandeep said:

Look - I don't disagree that the Dhoni chase method was not the way to go.  But you got to accept the fact that today's Dhoni is what he is - with his drastically reduced hitting capacity, with his "take it deep" mindset.  Don't have to agree with it, but just recognize it for the reality that it is.  What I don't accept, is the choice by team captain and coach to hold him back.  Its not Dhoni's job to decide that, even if he prefers it that way.  Its the leadership that decides the right tool for the right job, and the right batsman at the right time.  

 

And I agree with you that "refusing singles" was a bad gamble - a much worse one, than the risky double that saw him run out.  

 

But, my perspective on it, takes into account the entirety of Dhoni's career.   not just the last 2-3 years.  30 'bad' ODIs don't wipe out the 300 great ones.   When he was the trailblazer that was instrumental in changing Indian ODI batting mindset from habitual chokers to habitual successful chasers.    

 

And its a bit of selfish thinking too - I wanted to see him succeed against the odds today.  So that we could see India into the finals.  So that I could get together with my family, my 3 year old daughter, my niece and nephew, and have a great Sunday with everybody dressed in their India shirts. 

 

Not to be.    Maybe next time.  

Would have been great. But the truth as we all knew was that our top-order of Dhawan/KLR, Rohitman and Rat were papering over the thin middle order, and this is just what happened today. Dhoni has to go - if he's around in the next WC, he will be 42 and even more diminished than today.

[Pollack]

3 minutes ago, Vilander said:

Commiserations some here are true fans, but the team did pretty well and Jadeja did well in the end. 

Your bullsh!t  "all is well "falls flat on the face.

[Virat_King_Kohli]

Shastri will be happy. Extra few days to enjoy English summer and pubs

[sandeep]

5 minutes ago, maniac said:

Those 30 bad matches included 2 WC’s and a few WT20s

As a fan, you have to take the good with the bad.  We have all suffered the consequences of Dhoni's bad decisions in multiple tournaments.  My first ever chance to watch India play cricket in WT20, was ruined by Dhoni's decision to bowl spinners into the wind against Australian batsmen.  Even blatant mishits by Watson floated over the boundary.  

 

I can still see th next WT20 self-inflicted loss when we had peak Yuvraj, and peak Yusuf at our disposal, and Dhoni chose to send in Jadeja who couldn't hit the ball off the square.  

 

And many others.  And so many with the bat, over the last 2 years, where he has been a shadow of the great ODI bat he once was.  

 

It is what it is.  At the end of the day, are you a fan of the team, only when they win?  Are you only going to root for them, when they give you the tribal satisfaction of victory?  

[gooner]

8 minutes ago, sandeep said:

Look - I don't disagree that the Dhoni chase method was not the way to go.  But you got to accept the fact that today's Dhoni is what he is - with his drastically reduced hitting capacity, with his "take it deep" mindset.  Don't have to agree with it, but just recognize it for the reality that it is.  What I don't accept, is the choice by team captain and coach to hold him back.  Its not Dhoni's job to decide that, even if he prefers it that way.  Its the leadership that decides the right tool for the right job, and the right batsman at the right time.  

 

And I agree with you that "refusing singles" was a bad gamble - a much worse one, than the risky double that saw him run out.  

 

But, my perspective on it, takes into account the entirety of Dhoni's career.   not just the last 2-3 years.  30 'bad' ODIs don't wipe out the 300 great ones.   When he was the trailblazer that was instrumental in changing Indian ODI batting mindset from habitual chokers to habitual successful chasers.    

 

And its a bit of selfish thinking too - I wanted to see him succeed against the odds today.  So that we could see India into the finals.  So that I could get together with my family, my 3 year old daughter, my niece and nephew, and have a great Sunday with everybody dressed in their India shirts. 

 

Not to be.    Maybe next time.  

When we suck and the going rate is 10, the narrative suddenly is how can dhoni do it all alone?? Top order should have played better blah blah. If he can't crack it down the order ask him to play at 4 and steady the ship.

[maniac]

1 minute ago, sandeep said:

As a fan, you have to take the good with the bad.  We have all suffered the consequences of Dhoni's bad decisions in multiple tournaments.  My first ever chance to watch India play cricket in WT20, was ruined by Dhoni's decision to bowl spinners into the wind against Australian batsmen.  Even blatant mishits by Watson floated over the boundary.  

 

I can still see th next WT20 self-inflicted loss when we had peak Yuvraj, and peak Yusuf at our disposal, and Dhoni chose to send in Jadeja who couldn't hit the ball off the square.  

 

And many others.  And so many with the bat, over the last 2 years, where he has been a shadow of the great ODI bat he once was.  

 

It is what it is.  At the end of the day, are you a fan of the team, only when they win?  Are you only going to root for them, when they give you the tribal satisfaction of victory?  

No I am fan who wants to see the team win and feel helpless when I see all this bs happening in front of me. 

 

Our selectors had the balls to drop Kapil in 1994, 2 years before the wc.  Gavaskar retires on his own even though could have hung around till the next round of overseas tours.  Dhoni is in neither category, hence the pain

[gooner]

I don't think any team, including Pakistan would have sucked like this. It was doable even when we were 4 down. All it needed was a bit of proactive and strategic batting. These morons have been here for more than 1 month. They exactly know how the pitch is after 20 overs. Just a bit of positive proactive batting from dhoni we would have cracked this. Any middle order barring Afghanistan would have taken the team home.

[Vilander]

7 minutes ago, gooner said:

I don't think any team, including Pakistan would have sucked like this. It was doable even when we were 4 down. All it needed was a bit of proactive and strategic batting. These morons have been here for more than 1 month. They exactly know how the pitch is after 20 overs. Just a bit of positive proactive batting from dhoni we would have cracked this. Any middle order barring Afghanistan would have taken the team home.

this is true, its a gettable score. The pitch had mellowed down after the initial overs. India are not good chasers now.

[Stan AF]

Yeah. i'm not counting on sshhiitt to happen. I've seen this film before.

[Vijy]

10 minutes ago, gooner said:

I don't think any team, including Pakistan would have sucked like this. It was doable even when we were 4 down. All it needed was a bit of proactive and strategic batting. These morons have been here for more than 1 month. They exactly know how the pitch is after 20 overs. Just a bit of positive proactive batting from dhoni we would have cracked this. Any middle order barring Afghanistan would have taken the team home.

I reckon that Babar would have been good at chasing this type of mid-level scores. Not just Dhoni - we also saw spineless top and middle order batting for the most part.

[jalebi_bhai]

 

[Sloane84]

At last we know who the number 4 should really have been - Instead of losers such as Kartik, Shankar and Jadhav, the number 4 should have been Cheteshwar Pujara.

 

[sandeep]

20 minutes ago, maniac said:

No I am fan who wants to see the team win and feel helpless when I see all this bs happening in front of me. 

 

Our selectors had the balls to drop Kapil in 1994, 2 years before the wc.  Gavaskar retires on his own even though could have hung around till the next round of overseas tours.  Dhoni is in neither category, hence the pain

I had been pushing for Dhoni's ouster from ODIs since late 2017.  So we are on the same page there.  Its unfortunate that the team didn't invest in Pant as the long term answer right then and there.  

 

But lets be honest.  Today's loss was more about 24/4 than Dhoni's usual tuk-tuk innings.  Karthik and Rahul are way more guilty than greybeard.  That's just the fact.

[maniac]

7 minutes ago, Sloane84 said:

At last we know who the number 4 should really have been - Instead of losers such as Kartik, Shankar and Jadhav, the number 4 should have been Cheteshwar Pujara.

 

 Dhoni and Pujara in the modern odi game. may be we should go the opposite of England and fill our LOI's with test specialists

[Sloane84]

maniac, you know that India's batting order has been like a custard pudding with a crust (Rohit and Kohli) followed by very soft custard - Kartick, Shankar, Jadhav, then followed by a turtle Dhoni and a long tail.  I suspect that had Pujara (or even Rahane) been in the team, India would be in the finals today. 

[beetle]

1 hour ago, maniac said:

Why the sympathies. He got it to a point of RR going over 15 rpo especially when the guy at the other end got more than a run a ball 50. He should have trusted his partner who is supposedly a bowling allrounder to give him back the strike instead of risking a 2 against one of the best fielders in the world.

 

No sympathies. Brainless cricket and a selfish innings reflective of the 2nd half of his career.

When pant and hardik were batting we required less than 6 runs per over.

 

I wonder how this guy always manages to take it so impossibly high 

[maniac]

Just now, Sloane84 said:

maniac, you know that India's batting order has been like a custard pudding with a crust (Rohit and Kohli) followed by very soft custard - Kartick, Shankar, Jadhav, then followed by a turtle Dhoni and a long tail.  I suspect that had Pujara (or even Rahane) been in the team, India would be in the finals today. 

Bhai. The guy sitting outside always looks better. Never seen Pujara in a LOI game ever and Rahane is as much as a choker as the rest. agree on Jadhav,DK etc but we need to move forward not backward