Can the Rat do this?

[Pollack]

1 minute ago, SK_IH said:

Don't know about others but i have no words to defend the Rat any more. This guy proved to be a classic stats booster in the mould of South Africans. Not at any point in this world cup he looked like the best batsman in the world. Add to that the failure when it mattered the most. Too many failures for him when one has to show the supposed greatness. He can pile on as many runs as he wants in the forthcoming bilaterals, however his legacy at the moment is of a loser and choker.

Indications were already seen in quarter finals of World Cup 2015. Dropped a catch like a noob ( under pressure) when Aussie accelerated in the finals overs. Then looked extremely tentative and clueless for no reason since India had a good start. Choked under pressure.

[Pollack]

5 minutes ago, R!TTER said:

It was Gilly & then Hayden who took the game away, with Zaheer having an infamous meltdown in the first over itself. We were never gonna win that game unless we batted first, even then it was 50/50 at best if we put @par or above score.

Disagree. Anything under 300, we had a chance. While Gilchrist and Hayden gave a good start, Pointing and Martyn took the game away beyond India's reach. 140 (121) with 8 sixes in that era was demoralizing for opposition. 

Edited July 21, 2019 by Pollack

[Trichromatic]

11 minutes ago, Pollack said:

Disagree. Anything under 300, we had a chance. While Gilchrist and Hayden gave a good start, Pointing and Martyn took the game away beyond India's reach. 140 (121) with 8 sixes in that era was demoralizing for opposition. 

Chasing anything under 300 in WC,  I won't bet for it even in 2023, let alone in 2003 against Aussies. 

[Trichromatic]

21 minutes ago, SK_IH said:

Don't know about others but i have no words to defend the Rat any more. This guy proved to be a classic stats booster in the mould of South Africans. Not at any point in this world cup he looked like the best batsman in the world. Add to that the failure when it mattered the most. Too many failures for him when one has to show the supposed greatness. He can pile on as many runs as he wants in the forthcoming bilaterals, however his legacy at the moment is of a loser and choker.

Forget about looking best bat while everyone is contesting, Kohli looked like 3rd most important batsman for us in this WC. Let him be best in team first. 

[TNAmarkFromIndia]

14 hours ago, Audiophile said:

Ailaa basically carried the team in 1996, was man of the tournament in 2003 and was instrumental in India winning the cup in 2011.

Virat did great in 2014 and 2016 World T20s. Not so much in 50-over tournaments.

 

 

[mani sha]

3 hours ago, SK_IH said:

Both are not clutch in the league of Steve Waugh, Gilly or Ponting or Gauti. IMO both are quintessential run machine, Kings of stats.

Sachin did perform in the semi against Pak 

 

virat is a very good test match player . His best knocks are in test cricket 

 

his policy of playing percentage cricket works in tests and does not in one days

 

yuvi gambhir dhawan are definitely clutch players as they seem to get rewarded for the risks in high stakes games 

[Kerberos]

1 minute ago, mani sha said:

Sachin did perform in the semi against Pak 

 

virat is a very good test match player . His best knocks are in test cricket 

 

his policy of playing percentage cricket works in tests and does not in one days

 

yuvi gambhir dhawan are definitely clutch players as they seem to get rewarded for the risks in high stakes games 

Gambhir wasn't a high risk player. 

[SK_IH]

6 minutes ago, mani sha said:

Sachin did perform in the semi against Pak 

 

virat is a very good test match player . His best knocks are in test cricket 

 

his policy of playing percentage cricket works in tests and does not in one days

 

yuvi gambhir dhawan are definitely clutch players as they seem to get rewarded for the risks in high stakes games 

He is a choker in tests as well .You have to see the recent performances : Failed in both chases in SA, similar in England, he was not the stand out player even in Aus. 

It's a travesty that Kusal Perera outgunned the so called number one player in world in SA

Edited July 21, 2019 by SK_IH

[Kerberos]

With the kind of talent, technique and dedication Sachin displayed in his career, he underachieved.

[JourneyMan]

You guys tend to forget that Indian batsmen have never really been comfortable playing in England. Rohit was exceptionally good.

 

On a different surface we will see different performances. 

[Tendulkar1996]

Kohli struggles too much against left handers and cant dominate spinners like peak tendu.

Tendu was also better against swing.Scored a test ton in his first tour at age 17 in 1990 and scored heavily pretty much everytime except his last 2011 one.We all know what happened to the rat in 2014.

Edited July 21, 2019 by Tendulkar1996

[rkt.india]

4 hours ago, Pollack said:

WC final is the Pinnacle. He took the game away in the first half itself. Indian team was playing exceptionally brilliant cricket in that world cup.

But Indians were never better than Australians in that WC.

[rkt.india]

4 hours ago, Pollack said:

Disagree. Anything under 300, we had a chance. While Gilchrist and Hayden gave a good start, Pointing and Martyn took the game away beyond India's reach. 140 (121) with 8 sixes in that era was demoralizing for opposition. 

we never had a chance against that pace attack.

[prasen82]

Kohli is playing in far easier batting pitches and very poor opposition bowling attack. When sachin bats I always had hope, with kohli come knockouts I have zero hope . There lies the difference.

 

If sachin had similar support cast, we would have been like 90s-2000s aussies. 

[aman92]

On 7/21/2019 at 4:40 PM, rkt.india said:

But Indians were never better than Australians in that WC.

Exactly.. That Australia side is the greatest ODI side in history in my book. Only change you can make is replace Hogg with Warne and that side is pretty much invincible 

Edited July 23, 2019 by aman92

[Ankit_sharma03]

4 hours ago, Pollack said:

Disagree. Anything under 300, we had a chance. While Gilchrist and Hayden gave a good start, Pointing and Martyn took the game away beyond India's reach. 140 (121) with 8 sixes in that era was demoralizing for opposition. 

• had it been 220 still Aussies wud have won high chance.....that aussie side didnt knew how to loose
• We had another choker captain ganguly under whom we lost final after final 
• Chasing in final and that to in an era when teams didnt have confidence chasing wud have been almost impossible. We became better chaser under dravid-chappell not under ganguly 
• Chasing against mcgrath, lee, gillespie, hogg and then u have fielder like symonds, clarke ponting........those guys made getting singles even tough 

[R!TTER]

On 7/21/2019 at 2:10 PM, Kerberos said:

With the kind of talent, technique and dedication Sachin displayed in his career, he underachieved

For like 90% of his career he had a B or D grade bowling lineup, not to mention fixers galore! If there is one major disappointment that I can think of, is that he became more or less an elder statesman in the second half of his career. Post 2003, which isn't exactly half but yeah his last decade was less eventfully personally for me.

[Vijy]

On 7/21/2019 at 4:40 AM, Kerberos said:

With the kind of talent, technique and dedication Sachin displayed in his career, he underachieved.

He also had injury concerns that didn't help matters. But yeah, if you add the 3 factors you mentioned along with better mental & physical health, SRT was someone who had the potential to finish with a Test career avg of around 65 after 170-odd tests (since he overstayed by 2 yrs).

[kushagra29]

I think we shouldn't compare them. Comparing a Batting Legend with the present generation legend is not righ bcoz everyone is unique in their style. Obviously, the GOD of Cricket can play more shots than Kohli. That is why he is renowned as GOD.

There might be a lot of differences between the two but the two have one similarity - Both gets out quickly in crucial knock out matches 

[New guy]

On 7/21/2019 at 10:55 AM, SK_IH said:

Both are not clutch in the league of Steve Waugh, Gilly or Ponting or Gauti. IMO both are quintessential run machine, Kings of stats.

Yes the same Ponting who failed in 4 finals and succeeded in 1. You give any indian player 5 world cup final and they will score in at least 2.

 

Sachin has one of the greatest records in finals of all time but of course 2 world cup finals, one in which we were chasing 350, a score never chased by anyone is the benchmark for some weird reason. And of course semi finals are not clutch for some reason 

 

Why do indians suck Aussies * so much? It comes from a deep inferiority complex