WorldCup Semis defeat

[R!TTER]

14 hours ago, cricketfan28 said:

For me, nothing beats 96.  We were cruising and all of sudden massive collapse. 

Yeah well we had convicted fixers back then, so who know what might've been without them 

[Vilander]

10 hours ago, SK_IH said:

India required one great performance from the self styled modern genius Kohli and then the finals beckoned. However, the World Cup once again fortified the point that tournaments such as these are not won by stats but by natural instincts and flair. Kohli is a Protea by heart, a mechanical product, a machine, which is dull but productive. He has moulded the team in such a way as well. If things go haywire, they usually collapse and that usually transpires on momentous days ala classic SA.

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[Lannister]

I am 100% confident he's not going to win a World tournament in his career. We had high hopes when he took captaincy from Dhongi but he turned out to be another scheming little sh!t. F off to Indian cricket.

[Vilander]

wtf are you guys smoking.

 

Indian team topped the league with all teams and should have had two chances to qualify to be fair, they lost to an NZ side in a two day game with start and stop, it was swinging.

 

india has the most fickle fans. you dont deserve a good team go watch kabbadi.

[Hakuna Matata]

1 hour ago, Vilander said:

wtf are you guys smoking.

 

Indian team topped the league with all teams and should have had two chances to qualify to be fair, they lost to an NZ side in a two day game with start and stop, it was swinging.

 

india has the most fickle fans. you dont deserve a good team go watch kabbadi.

It's not about losing it's about the way they lost, Played with worst strategies and team selections even if they had won it I would say the same. Jadeja's blinder made it look like like a close contest otherwise the result was closed within first 5 overs of our batting . 

[nevada]

Even the Aussies suffered a humiliating loss in the semi final. And against their arch enemy no less. Their top scorers Warner and Smith fell cheaply, and star bowler Mitchell Starc was totally ineffective. Jason Roy just bullied them to submission. The Aussies analyzed what went wrong and are countering the English with a proper plan in the Ashes series. They have brought back Siddle from cold storage after a gap of 4 years, benched their star bowlers Starc and Hazlewood. They fielded Pattinson who made a comeback after a 3 year gap. They look all set to bench Starc for the second test too. They are resting Pattinson and bringing in Hazlewood. They are making all the right moves to help them win the series without wasting a single spot to reputation or seniority or goodwill.

 

OTOH, what did India do differently after the SF defeat? Practically nothing new. Expendable DK has been thrown under the bus. Kedar Jadhav is still playing. Mayank Agarwal debuted in Australia in a high pressure test series and did competently against Starc and Hazlewood. He might be our option as a batsman with the mental toughness and technique to survive an opening overs onslaught in ODIs. Why isn't he being given a chance to establish himself in the format? Dhoni is out of the picture but only for now. He will most likely be brought back to torture fans till the end of the T20 world cup at-least. And even after that, who knows? If a world cup is coming up, it only means that he will play till that tournament for sure and perhaps after that also as long as "he enjoys playing the game". Instead of taking a break as had been previously announced, Kohli is playing the full series and leaping up for a personal milestone like he won a knock out game. He still has muddled thinking, making a ridiculous statement that 4 and 5 are floater positions. So only the top 3 are assured of their batting spot while the rest should always bat under a cloud of uncertainty? The thought process and the selections will never change, and we will continue to see mediocre results under Kohli.

[GautiMaan]

15 hours ago, SK_IH said:

@Vk1 The World Cup is over and England won it. And no India were not most balanced side in the tournament, it was England. India had loopholes, which were magnified once Dhawan got injured.

India required one great performance from the self styled modern genius Kohli and then the finals beckoned. However, the World Cup once again fortified the point that tournaments such as these are not won by stats but by natural instincts and flair. Kohli is a Protea by heart, a mechanical product, a machine, which is dull but productive. He has moulded the team in such a way as well. If things go haywire, they usually collapse and that usually transpires on momentous days ala classic SA.

This World Cup IMO was the failure of Virat and only Virat both as a captain as well as batsman. He started messing up things a couple years back by not letting anyone settle in any batting position bar top 3 and ironically the batting hodge podge was on display in the semi finals.

He has disillusioned most of us and I am one of them and I think India need a cultural change as Virat's dispensation is not worth following.

Agree with your points.The least VK could have done was to take one for the team and bat at no.4.Captains throughout history have changed their positions to strengthen the team's cause(heck I can recall Dhoni batting at 4 or 5 because he was playing spin better in the early part of this decade) but VK couldnt be bothered

[jf1gp_1]

20 hours ago, cricketfan28 said:

For me, nothing beats 96.  We were cruising and all of sudden massive collapse. 

It was the way match ended that hurt more. 

 

On topic us losing semi is fine. It happens. Worry is Kohli hasn't learnt a thing. Pant at 4 kedar still in team dhawan and pandey in t20 is just poor. 

[mani sha]

23 hours ago, cricketfan28 said:

For me, nothing beats 96.  We were cruising and all of sudden massive collapse. 

Bad captain then - Azar chose to bat second 

[bahubali]

On 8/13/2019 at 12:45 PM, Vk1 said:

Should actually go down as the worst defeat in India's history. I know there were some really bad defeats like 96 semis,  87 wc, 99 wc zimbabwe, miandad six etc.. but this one has to be the worst.  Our team has been very close to England as the best ranked team, went to the world cup with the most balanced team - best fast bowler in the world, a very good wicket taking seamer, a good seamer and a genuine allrounder  plus two of the best wrist spinners.. our batting has the best Top 3 in the world. This defeat is actually as good as not going to the knockouts in itself. 

I am still at loss to understand how we didn't make it. Selection blunders, playing two spinners in England under heavy rain forecast, playing Dinesh Karthik..  Sachin getting stumped by Kalu, Olonga picking those 3 wickets, ponting's assault... I can take all those since we didn't have the greatest of teams.. but this one.. we had no excuse to lose. 

Blunder is something if you do once in a while. But if it's the habit than that is called arrogance and foolishness....even now against wi look at the team selection same boring top 3 and boobie kumar and never indispensable jadhav.

[diehardpacer]

We are back to the Ganguly era again.Get ready for more knockout defeats.

[Moochad]

Basically that Chahal over at the death and Dhawan injury cost us. Rat's brilliant captaincy to bowl a spinner in the last 10 gave the Kiwis a release from the pressure. Rat also failed to develop any bench strength, so when one of our only 3 batsmen get injured, we lacked any depth. It is what it is. Rat needs the axe

[Vilander]

8 hours ago, nevada said:

Even the Aussies suffered a humiliating loss in the semi final. And against their arch enemy no less. Their top scorers Warner and Smith fell cheaply, and star bowler Mitchell Starc was totally ineffective. Jason Roy just bullied them to submission. The Aussies analyzed what went wrong and are countering the English with a proper plan in the Ashes series. They have brought back Siddle from cold storage after a gap of 4 years, benched their star bowlers Starc and Hazlewood. They fielded Pattinson who made a comeback after a 3 year gap. They look all set to bench Starc for the second test too. They are resting Pattinson and bringing in Hazlewood. They are making all the right moves to help them win the series without wasting a single spot to reputation or seniority or goodwill.

 

OTOH, what did India do differently after the SF defeat? Practically nothing new. Expendable DK has been thrown under the bus. Kedar Jadhav is still playing. Mayank Agarwal debuted in Australia in a high pressure test series and did competently against Starc and Hazlewood. He might be our option as a batsman with the mental toughness and technique to survive an opening overs onslaught in ODIs. Why isn't he being given a chance to establish himself in the format? Dhoni is out of the picture but only for now. He will most likely be brought back to torture fans till the end of the T20 world cup at-least. And even after that, who knows? If a world cup is coming up, it only means that he will play till that tournament for sure and perhaps after that also as long as "he enjoys playing the game". Instead of taking a break as had been previously announced, Kohli is playing the full series and leaping up for a personal milestone like he won a knock out game. He still has muddled thinking, making a ridiculous statement that 4 and 5 are floater positions. So only the top 3 are assured of their batting spot while the rest should always bat under a cloud of uncertainty? The thought process and the selections will never change, and we will continue to see mediocre results under Kohli.

first post on tactics behind team selection, on this thread this is nice to read. 

[Vijy]

19 hours ago, nevada said:

Even the Aussies suffered a humiliating loss in the semi final. And against their arch enemy no less. Their top scorers Warner and Smith fell cheaply, and star bowler Mitchell Starc was totally ineffective. Jason Roy just bullied them to submission. The Aussies analyzed what went wrong and are countering the English with a proper plan in the Ashes series. They have brought back Siddle from cold storage after a gap of 4 years, benched their star bowlers Starc and Hazlewood. They fielded Pattinson who made a comeback after a 3 year gap. They look all set to bench Starc for the second test too. They are resting Pattinson and bringing in Hazlewood. They are making all the right moves to help them win the series without wasting a single spot to reputation or seniority or goodwill.

 

OTOH, what did India do differently after the SF defeat? Practically nothing new. Expendable DK has been thrown under the bus. Kedar Jadhav is still playing. Mayank Agarwal debuted in Australia in a high pressure test series and did competently against Starc and Hazlewood. He might be our option as a batsman with the mental toughness and technique to survive an opening overs onslaught in ODIs. Why isn't he being given a chance to establish himself in the format? Dhoni is out of the picture but only for now. He will most likely be brought back to torture fans till the end of the T20 world cup at-least. And even after that, who knows? If a world cup is coming up, it only means that he will play till that tournament for sure and perhaps after that also as long as "he enjoys playing the game". Instead of taking a break as had been previously announced, Kohli is playing the full series and leaping up for a personal milestone like he won a knock out game. He still has muddled thinking, making a ridiculous statement that 4 and 5 are floater positions. So only the top 3 are assured of their batting spot while the rest should always bat under a cloud of uncertainty? The thought process and the selections will never change, and we will continue to see mediocre results under Kohli.

karthik will crawl out from under that bus and return to screw us again. he has made more comebacks than he's made runs in cricket.

[Vk1]

I keep thinking of this game now and then wonder how we could be so inept in our thinking. Which team would play two spinners with constant rain threat in england. 

Now i wonder if our current preparation for T20 world cup to be played in Australia..is again being done without getting ready for those conditions...do we know what kind of spinners do well in Australia? Would chahal be effective? Or is it Krunal / Sundar like tall bowlers who fire it in at around 90kmph.. 

[bowl_out]

43 minutes ago, Vk1 said:

I keep thinking of this game now and then wonder how we could be so inept in our thinking. Which team would play two spinners with constant rain threat in england. 

Now i wonder if our current preparation for T20 world cup to be played in Australia..is again being done without getting ready for those conditions...do we know what kind of spinners do well in Australia? Would chahal be effective? Or is it Krunal / Sundar like tall bowlers who fire it in at around 90kmph.. 

I think we play a T20 series in Aus and Eng before the T20 WC, so we'll test them out there