Would it be fair to say Nadeem has out performed Ashwin

[Khota]

5 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

so 350+ wkts are taken by planet alignment more then line n length alignement 

 

yea my argument is record, what else does matter 

You are a nice person and you follow stats and all that. Let me recap for you:

 

You do not understand stats.

Stats without weights assigned are wrong- as in cricket.

You do not understand sports.

But you are good in database management.

 

I have to go somewhere we will discuss later.

 

I let the performance do the talking not words.

Edited October 22, 2019 by Khota

[Ankit_sharma03]

15 minutes ago, raki05 said:

Than it would be awesome I want him to perform as well but more in overseas test coz in home test Ashwin and jadega are real beast.

if u consider all countries i dnt think anyone wud have a good record

Even lyon doesnt have a good record in Sa n uae which is suppose to help spinners 

[Ankit_sharma03]

2 minutes ago, Khota said:

You are a nice person and you follow stats and all that. Let me recap for you:

 

You do not understand stats.

Stats without weights assigned are wrong- as in cricket.

You do not understand sports.

But you are good in database management.

 

I have to go somewhere we will discuss later.

 

I let the performance do the talking not words.

na u let ur bias do the talking coz if u let perfomance do the talking well ashwin is still the highest wkt taker in the series

u wnt call pandya a crap bowler on his 5 wkt haul.....coz perfomance is perfomance

u wnt call 350+ planet alignement coz its perfomance

Edited October 22, 2019 by Ankit_sharma03

[Ankit_sharma03]

3 minutes ago, Khota said:

I let the performance do the talking not words.

Most wickets

Player	Mat	Inns	Overs	Mdns	Runs	Wkts	BBI	BBM	Ave	Econ	SR	5	10
R Ashwin (INDIA)	3	6	138.0	35	379	15	7/145	8/189	25.26	2.74	55.2	1	0
Mohammed Shami (INDIA)	3	6	74.5	21	192	13	5/35	5/32	14.76	2.56	34.5	1	0
RA Jadeja (INDIA)	3	6	149.2	38	399	13	4/87	6/211	30.69	2.67	68.9	0	0
UT Yadav (INDIA)	2	4	39.0	7	134	11	3/22	6/59	12.18	3.43	21.2	0	0
K Rabada (SA)	3	4	90.0	20	285	7	3/85	3/85	40.71	3.16	77.1	0	0
KA Maharaj (SA)	2	3	127.0	16	514	6	3/189	5/318	85.66	4.04	127.0	0	0
S Nadeem (INDIA)	1	2	17.2	5	40	4	2/18	4/40	10.00	2.30	26.0	0	0
GF Linde (SA)	1	1	31.0	2	133	4	4/133	4/133	33.25	4.29	46.5	0	0
I Sharma (INDIA)	2	4	38.0	7	125	2	1/17	1/53	62.50	3.28	114.0	0	0
VD Philander (SA)	2	3	60.0	15	155	2	1/21	2/89	77.50	2.58	180.0	0	0
S Muthusamy (SA)	2	3	37.3	2	180	2	1/63	1/83	90.00	4.80	112.5	0	0
DL Piedt (SA)	2	3	54.0	7	310	2	1/101	1/101	155.00	5.74	162.0	0	0
D Elgar (SA)	3	2	5.0	0	30	1	1/4	1/4	30.00	6.00	30.0	0	0
A Nortje (SA)	2	2	49.3	10	179	1	1/79	1/79	179.00	3.61	297.0	0	0
V Kohli (INDIA)	3	1	1.0	0	4	0	-	-	-	4.00	-	0	0
RG Sharma (INDIA)	3	4	6.0	2	14	0	-	-	-	2.33	-	0	0
AK Markram (SA)	2	1	2.0	0	17	0	-	-	-	8.50	-	0	0
GH Vihari (INDIA)	1	1	9.0	1	38	0	-	-	-	4.22	-	0	0
L Ngidi (SA)	1	1	20.0	5	83	0	-	-	-	4.15	-	0	0

 

 

yes let the perfomance do the talking.....look who is top on the list for the series

[Real McCoy]

36 minutes ago, Khota said:

Nadeem almost half the overs and twice the wkts. I would say he is better.

That remains to be seen over a period of time. Its just your opinion. Don't call it fact

[Khota]

2 minutes ago, Real McCoy said:

That remains to be seen over a period of time. Its just your opinion. Don't call it fact

Fact for the sample size I have.

[Khota]

13 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

na u let ur bias do the talking coz if u let perfomance do the talking well ashwin is still the highest wkt taker in the series

u wnt call pandya a crap bowler on his 5 wkt haul.....coz perfomance is perfomance

u wnt call 350+ planet alignement coz its perfomance

Post their lifetime stats and then a better picture will emerge. I am posting the lifetime stats for Nadeem.

[Real McCoy]

1 minute ago, Khota said:

Fact for the sample size I have.

Your mistaking stats for facts. Anyway you seem to be like @muloghonto going back and forth over a silly topic when all others are disagreeing with it. I'm done with it. Keep on keeping on

[Ankit_sharma03]

4 minutes ago, Khota said:

Post their lifetime stats and then a better picture will emerge. I am posting the lifetime stats for Nadeem.

nadeem hasnt even played lifetime international....he has played domestic of which record is far behind of ashwin international record which is far tough

Are u sure u knw ur lifetime stats, coz u dnt wanna go near ashwin lifetime stats they are phenomenal 

Edited October 22, 2019 by Ankit_sharma03

[vvvslaxman]

4 hours ago, Khota said:

The sad thing is before the first ball was bowled I was about to start a thread stating that Nadeem will outperform Ashwin. I never got around to it.

He was just gifted wickets lol dismissed nortje  twice, bavuma gifted his wicket. Compare their ipl stats. There is an ocean of difference. You absolutely have not seen him bowl anywhere yet you claim that he would do better. On what grounds? He picked wickets after SA was already dead and buried.

[vvvslaxman]

This reminds me of his dumb talk of Dhawan is twice better than Vijay because Vijay scored 11 runs Dhawan 22 runs . Only this guy can come up with such absurd logic free conclusions 

[bowl_out]

31 minutes ago, vvvslaxman said:

This reminds me of his dumb talk of Dhawan is twice better than Vijay because Vijay scored 11 runs Dhawan 22 runs . Only this guy can come up with such absurd logic free conclusions 

Why do we even bother discussing on his threads.. I am reminded of the all-rounders don't exist thread.  Khota bhai always selectively picks facts to prove his point with complete disregard to anything anyone else says.. So, won't bother mentioning anything about the topic.

[rkt.india]

4 hours ago, Khota said:

Would it be fair to say so many posters are biased and overlook other talent?

One game proves nothing. Yes, Nadeem is a good spinner but he can't be compared with as he is a left arm spinner. Compare him with jaddu. If Nadeem was an off spinner, I might have compared him with Ashwin.

[Ankit_sharma03]

3 hours ago, vvvslaxman said:

He was just gifted wickets lol dismissed nortje  twice, bavuma gifted his wicket. Compare their ipl stats. There is an ocean of difference. You absolutely have not seen him bowl anywhere yet you claim that he would do better. On what grounds? He picked wickets after SA was already dead and buried.

Forget IPL stats ashwin internatioanl record is better then nadeem domestic record. Neways its not right to even say to an X who has not played even 5 test is better then the guy who is fastest to 350 wkts in international cricket even if that X is the most talented person on earth. Many good players career didnt go till 50 test ......sustainability for this long in itself is an achievement then to do with such numbers is something else . 

[Ankit_sharma03]

best way to describe this thread 

 

 

 

[Nikhil_cric]

Ashwin has completely outbowled jadeja this series. Jadeja should be dropped from the XI if his bowling is going to be ineffective no matter how many rubs her scores. 

[Stan AF]

I thought Ashwin took some of the toughest wickets in the 1st test 1st innings. The only innings in this series where SA batsmen applied themselves and made our bowlers toil for wickets.

[adi B]

1 hour ago, Nikhil_cric said:

Ashwin has completely outbowled jadeja this series. Jadeja should be dropped from the XI if his bowling is going to be ineffective no matter how many rubs her scores. 

I actually thought both were bang average in this series ,its the saffie batsmen who were making them look little better than how they performed!

Ashwin Bowled well in the first test but went dud in the next 2 ,jadeja was darting all along, no variation ,he could have exploited that pune pitch but couldn't.

Nadeem is just a temporary replacement for kuly who was injured ,kuly should play as the second spinner with jadeja as the spin AR.

You cant drop a guy who picked a 5fer in his last test that too in Sydney 

[Gollum]

Ashwin was the reason we won the Vizag test, the only time Saffers put up a fight. That match otherwise had boring draw written all over it. 

[fineleg]

What an ass of a thread this is.

Ash has bowled bad in this Test but he is no frikkin' dartthrower like bhajji (since Khota thinks he is the don bradman of spin).