KL Rahul as a keeper feels right, not looking to change it - Virat Kohli

[putrevus]

4 minutes ago, Vilander said:

Who said they arent ? is there an international standards certifying organization in cricket ? Or did you see them playing international cricket ?

Who needs to say it?

[vvvslaxman]

6 minutes ago, putrevus said:

Dinesh Mongia was not competing with Dravid for a spot,he was extra bowling option. If Dravid was making team as a batsman, he would have kicked Kaif or Yuvraj out of the team.Noway that was happening in that 2003 team.

That is now how Ganguly/Wright perceived back then.  As much as a good batsman Dravid was, he was never good for late order push. Credit to him to step up even though he was being shunted all over the batting line up in both Test and ODIs.  Ganguly and Dravid had this undercurrent  always. Mostly it was Ganguly. 

[putrevus]

30 minutes ago, vvvslaxman said:

That is now how Ganguly/Wright perceived back then.  As much as a good batsman Dravid was, he was never good for late order push. Credit to him to step up even though he was being shunted all over the batting line up in both Test and ODIs.  Ganguly and Dravid had this undercurrent  always. Mostly it was Ganguly. 

They were not wrong as far odis were concerned. Dravid is an ultimate professional who has to be admired for so many things.

Edited January 20, 2020 by putrevus

[Jimmy Cliff]

Dravid's place in the ODI side was never in doubt post 1998. Ganguly pretty much forced him to keep as he wanted the cushion of an extra batsman. The idea that Laxman/Yuvraj/Kaif/Mongia would've been preferred to him as pure batsmen in the 1999-2002 phase is laughable.

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Ankit_sharma03]

17 minutes ago, vvvslaxman said:

That is now how Ganguly/Wright perceived back then.  As much as a good batsman Dravid was, he was never good for late order push. Credit to him to step up even though he was being shunted all over the batting line up in both Test and ODIs.  Ganguly and Dravid had this undercurrent  always. Mostly it was Ganguly. 

that also happened in late ganguly captaincy when they didnt agree on many ideas including dropping aakash chopra n making yuvraj opener in test but it was disagreement more 

and then when dravid became captain it became worse 

[vvvslaxman]

5 minutes ago, Jimmy Cliff said:

Dravid's place in the ODI side was never in doubt post 1998. Ganguly pretty much forced him to keep as he wanted the cushion of an extra batsman. The idea that Laxman/Yuvraj/Kaif/Mongia would've been preferred to him as pure batsmen in the 1999-2002 phase is laughable.

 

 

 

 

 

 

No it was not laughable. There were many artices written related to how Dravid kept on doing compromises. It was what Ganguly/Chappell wanted to shape. Ganguly at every given opportunity put Dravid in the spot. In 2001 series Ganguly was terrible as well.  But he made a straight swap instead of pushing Dravid to no.5.  Then he made him open the innings for a few matches. 

[vvvslaxman]

4 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

that also happened in late ganguly captaincy when they didnt agree on many ideas including dropping aakash chopra n making yuvraj opener in test but it was disagreement more 

and then when dravid became captain it became worse 

Ganguly was an autocrat. Tendulkar was the only guy who escaped scrutiny. He openly abused Srinath in a test match and even the usually calm Srinath had to respond back. 

[Ankit_sharma03]

1 minute ago, vvvslaxman said:

No it was not laughable. There were many artices written related to how Dravid kept on doing compromises. It was what Ganguly/Chappell wanted to shape. Ganguly at every given opportunity put Dravid in the spot. In 2001 series Ganguly was terrible as well.  But he made a straight swap instead of pushing Dravid to no.5.  Then he made him open the innings for a few matches. 

if it was true dravid wud have been in n out when he wasnt even keeper but he wasnt dropped at all 

ganguly valued his exp players coz their werent left many.....u always need a mix of youth n exp in every squad n he understood that 

 

Articles are not very reliable 

 

[Ankit_sharma03]

7 minutes ago, vvvslaxman said:

Ganguly was an autocrat. Tendulkar was the only guy who escaped scrutiny. He openly abused Srinath in a test match and even the usually calm Srinath had to respond back. 

thats ok every captain has a right to do it specially sometimes its must . 

Kohli overdoes specially only with juniors 

Edited January 20, 2020 by Ankit_sharma03

[Jimmy Cliff]

6 minutes ago, vvvslaxman said:

No it was not laughable. There were many artices written related to how Dravid kept on doing compromises. It was what Ganguly/Chappell wanted to shape. Ganguly at every given opportunity put Dravid in the spot. In 2001 series Ganguly was terrible as well.  But he made a straight swap instead of pushing Dravid to no.5.  Then he made him open the innings for a few matches. 

The compromise that he had to make in ODIs was to keep wickets for the sake of team balance. Not because his place was under any threat. From 1999-2002, he averaged 42+ at a SR of 70+ in ODIs against the Top 7 sides in ODIs. There is no way Ganguly would have been able to justify his exclusion from the playing XI.

[ShoonyaSifar]

3 hours ago, putrevus said:

If Dravid didn't keep for those 70 odis, his odi career would have been finished in 2003.Similar Rahul if he starts keeping now and becomes a core member by performing with bat, another keeper Pant or anyone else can always take over later the keeping duties. At the present time Rahul the keeper gives India the balance it needs while allowing Rahul to play every match.

 

You don't become core member by being out of the team.

 

Stop being a moron, Kohli is not my friend or relative. 

LOL Dravid’s career would have been over in 2003? I know you have to do Kohli’s PR, but don’t sink to such abysmal depths.
 

Dravid did a favour to a India by agreeing to keep the wickets for 2 years, he did not have to do so to keep his place.  Likewise, KL Rahul doesn’t have to keep for his LOI spot. Captain fool seems to have suddenly seen a virtue in it so that he can get Dhoni back for the T20 WC.

[bowl_out]

It's weird to see Pant's keeping skills being questioned... He is more than decent as keeper and will only improve with time.. he did really well in England and Aus.. the only thing was he got fooled by Bumrah's angle a couple of times moving along with the ball and missing outside edges off those deliveries.. again there is a learning curve and he is well ahead on that...

 

If anything his temperament while batting in LOIs is concerning, but he should be given a fair run to succeed or fail. I'd also like to see fair competition for the spot so nobody takes their spot for granted yet feels adequately backed by the TM. The best way to do that is to play different keepers for different formats for a few series. Saha, and eventually Pant for tests.. Pant for ODIs and Rahul/Samson for T20s. Pick one keeper for each format, and back them for 15 games.

Edited January 24, 2020 by bowl_out

[putrevus]

50 minutes ago, ShoonyaSifar said:

LOL Dravid’s career would have been over in 2003? I know you have to do Kohli’s PR, but don’t sink to such abysmal depths.
 

Dravid did a favour to a India by agreeing to keep the wickets for 2 years, he did not have to do so to keep his place.  Likewise, KL Rahul doesn’t have to keep for his LOI spot. Captain fool seems to have suddenly seen a virtue in it so that he can get Dhoni back for the T20 WC.

Dravid did not do India any favor, he would have been dropped from the playing elevan if he was not keeping in 2003. 

[Ankit_sharma03]

7 minutes ago, putrevus said:

Dravid did not do India any favor,

yes he did a favour we had no keeper with enough quality with bat for which is why we have to have a substandard batsman in XI when he took the role that allowed us to play guys like mongia, bangar who cud bowl as well

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he would have been dropped from the playing elevan if he was not keeping in 2003. 

 

for whom ? im still waiting to hear the name ?

the guy was playing non stop even when regular keeper were playing how wud he have been dropped when there wasnt to much players pushing for spot. 

Repeating one thing on loop doesnt make it true ...who was that player 

 

i knw u wont answer this coz u wnt be able to find one name 2nd it ll also prove talent supply for ganguly wasnt as good as someone like kohli

Edited January 20, 2020 by Ankit_sharma03

[cricketpitch]

19 hours ago, New guy said:

Pant is a way better keeper than we give him credit for.  His keeping has deotiriated because of the stupid pressure put on him. He barely made mistakes in IPL and initial matches against spinners. 

Pant has never been a good keeper of spin bowling. He kept very well to fast bowlers in England and Australia, I give that to him. Keeping to fast men is easier than keeping to spinners in India and that is where he struggles. I am not saying he can't improve but again there needs to be lots of work on his keeping and international cricket is not the place to learn how to keep against spin. 

[SUMO]

but only for T20s

[ganeshran]

Translation : since the pilot didn't show up at the last minute, KL Rahul flew the plane to New Zealand. 

 

[Ankit_sharma03]

 

bhogle on how TM has confused pant 

he is bang on point

 

 

Edited January 22, 2020 by Ankit_sharma03

[Rasgulla]

32 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

 

bhogle on how TM has confused pant now - on point

 

 

all that wouldn't have happened If he took his chances. Only guy who can blame is himself! 

 

 

[Ankit_sharma03]

8 minutes ago, Rasgulla said:

all that wouldn't have happened If he took his chances. Only guy who can blame is himself! 

 

 

didnt he make runs in Last series ?