Gill vs. Vihari for #6 in tests

[zen]

From the PoV of doing well in SENA. Should Gill be drafted in for #6 or should Vihari be continued with? 
 

This is mainly from batting PoV where someone can hit runs consistently against good bowling attack (not weaker test sides). The ability to bowl a few overs is not being discussed. What are the other options that Ind has?

 

Both of them are currently playing for Ind A vs NZ A. 

This is assuming that top 5 positions are currently settled. If Rahane’s position at #5 comes into question,  a situation emerges where both Gill and Vihari can potentially play. 

 

[Ankit_sharma03]

Vihari has the 1st right 

but it wud be wagner vs Vihari this time

[RajBan]

Ideally they should plan to phase out Rahane but that won't happen. Likewise Shaw should be given chance over Rohit , instead Mayank will be dropped at the first opportunity.

[zen]

Ideally, I would prefer Pandya-Pant combination at 6-7 as it gives both batting and bowling options. Pandya has hit 50s in SA and Eng, while Pant has hit 100s in Eng and Aus, and will probably hit one in NZ.  But with Pandya injured and Saha (don’t know about his current form with the bat) in, Gill and Vihari appear to be good options. 

[express bowling]

My target test team In SENA In a year  ....

 

1. Shaw

2. Mayank

3. Pujara

4. Kohli

5. Gill

6. Vihari

7. Pant

8. Kuldeep

9. Shami

10. Saini / Ishant

11. Bumrah

Edited January 31, 2020 by express bowling

[ShoonyaSifar]

Kohli needed 5 bowlers and a specialist keeper for Tests vs weak SA and BD. Suddenly expecting Gill, Vihari, Pant or Kuldeep to step up in SENA will be unfair.

 

Only change should be Saini for Ishant if he fails to get fit in time.

 

This should be the 11: Rohit, Mayank, Pujara, Kohli, Rahane, Jadeja, Saha, Ashwin, Shami, Saini, Bumrah
 

Let them play both the tests as they would need more than a test to acclimatise.

[zen]

1 hour ago, express bowling said:

In SENA ....

 

1. Shaw

2. Mayank

3. Pujara

4. Kohli

5. Gill

6. Vihari

7. Pant

8. Kuldeep

9. Shami

10. Saini / Ishant

11. Bumrah

I like the line up. Had something like that in mind for some time -> Link

 

If Pandya is in form (also to develop him further) and to provide the team with an AR, I would include him at 6. That can allow us to play two specialist spinners as well if required among the 4 bowlers. Gill/Vihari/.... for #5 

Edited January 30, 2020 by zen

[express bowling]

1 hour ago, ShoonyaSifar said:

Kohli needed 5 bowlers and a specialist keeper for Tests vs weak SA and BD. Suddenly expecting Gill, Vihari, Pant or Kuldeep to step up in SENA will be unfair.

 

Only change should be Saini for Ishant if he fails to get fit in time.

 

This should be the 11: Rohit, Mayank, Pujara, Kohli, Rahane, Jadeja, Saha, Ashwin, Shami, Saini, Bumrah
 

Let them play both the tests as they would need more than a test to acclimatise.

 

We are talking about medium term target / preferences.

 

Rohit and Rahane are certainties for this NZ series.

 

Kuldeep will probably not even make the squad as per reports.

 

 

 

 

[express bowling]

39 minutes ago, Cricspin said:

Why would people not want to play Ashwin or Jadeja in test.. I mean seriously this is over estimation of Kuldeep that he can do better.. Ashwin or Jadeja are good for tests even for next few years.. they bring runs on the table too.

 

In tests in Asia they are no brainers.

 

In tests in SENA In the last 8 years

Jadeja averages.  40

Ashwin averages. 39

 

Kuldeep has had a good start in SENA.

 

 

 

39 minutes ago, Cricspin said:

 

Plus Vihari has done nothing  wrong to be dropped  and there is no guarantee  that Gill is going to come in and take the world  by storm... there is talent and he will get his  chance..  I think Gill needs to go short formats first and then Tests.

 

It is possible to play both in the medium term.

[cowboysfan]

why would Gill play at 6?? if things go right he could be the next Indian captain.

[Global.Baba]

9 hours ago, RajBan said:

Ideally they should plan to phase out Rahane but that won't happen. Likewise Shaw should be given chance over Rohit , instead Mayank will be dropped at the first opportunity.

Maybe a year back but Rahane has had a string of good scores so he has earned a shot for the foreseeable future.

 

Right now breaking into the test team for anyone seems a challenge be it bowlers or batsmen.

 

I guess Vihari seems to be the only dispensable guy but even he has earned a run based on his last few performances 

[zen]

Ind A vs NZ A D1

 

 

[RajBan]

3 hours ago, Global.Baba said:

Maybe a year back but Rahane has had a string of good scores so he has earned a shot for the foreseeable future.

 

Right now breaking into the test team for anyone seems a challenge be it bowlers or batsmen.

 

I guess Vihari seems to be the only dispensable guy but even he has earned a run based on his last few performances 

That's our problem for last several years. We are ok to settle down for inconsistent players knowing fully well there are better players waiting in the sidelines . Mayank had to wait for years for somebody like Dhawan, Shaw wait for Rohit (Rohit is too good to miss out on Indian pitches so he will play for another 2-3 years even if he scores all zeroes in SENA) and Gill will wait for Rahane who was pathetic until recent past.

Edited January 31, 2020 by RajBan

[rtmohanlal]

now that Vihari has been selected he deserves an extended run.... keep in mind he did superbly in WI outweighing the likes of Mayank & Kohli.Gill's chances will come

[express bowling]

5 hours ago, Cricspin said:

Good start doesn't mean much.. Not enough sample... His form.has gone down as well. He doesn't look as threatening in the short form either.. I dont mind him as the second spinner. Not the only one..  Disturbs the balance of the side and if he doesn't click, waste of a spot with no batting or fielding... 24 wickets in 6 matches is nothing to make of.. Also currently Jadeja outdoing other spinners in NZ.

 

I was not talking about this upccoming series but medium term target test team in SENA.

 

No point in having spinners who average 40 and 39 respectively. ( Jadeja and Ashwin )

 

Kuldeep needs to be given a go ... if he does not do well after sufficient chances then someone else needs to be tried, but not J and A.

 

My point was more about moving on from J and A in tests in SENA  rather than choosing Kuldeep.

 

 

 

 

[ShoonyaSifar]

7 minutes ago, express bowling said:

 

I was not talking about this upccoming series but medium term target test team in SENA.

 

No point in having spinners who average 40 and 39 respectively. ( Jadeja and Ashwin )

 

Kuldeep needs to be given a go ... if he does not do well after sufficient chances then someone else needs to be tried, but not J and A.

 

My point was more about moving on from J and A in tests in SENA  rather than choosing Kuldeep.

 

 

 

 

Going by Kohli's disdain for Kuldeep and Chahal, be ready to see Ashwin coming back to LOIs as well. 

 

Jaddu will now have a permanent position across all formats and Ashwin will very soon join him too.

[Sandeep99]

What has Vihari done to be dropped? As RajBan stated earlier, Rahane should be phased out by the end of the current overseas and then bring Gill in. By then Gill also would have played one more season of first class cricket. Providing him chance in ODIs in the meanwhile will not hurt and can help him too.

[zen]

On 2nd thoughts, I ll go with Pant, who has the best record batting at 6/7 for India in SENA (vs. good bowling attacks) .... Saha (if keeping) and Vihari/Gill (if Saha is not keeping) can compete for the other slot (6/7) ....  also an opportunity for Pant to get the 3rd 100 in his 3rd series in SENA

 

 

View overall figures [change view] Primary team Australia  or England  or India  or New Zealand  or South Africa  Opposition team Australia  or England  or New Zealand  or South Africa  Home or away away (home of opposition)  Start of match date between 31 Jan 2018 and 31 Jan 2020  Batting position between 6 and 7  Ordered by batting average (descending) Page 1 of 1 Showing 1 - 18 of 18   First Previous Next  Last  Return to query menu Cleared query menu Overall figures Player Span Mat Inns NO Runs HS Ave BF SR 100 50 0 4s 6s   OJ Pope (ENG) 2019-2020 5 8 2 376 135* 62.66 751 50.06 1 3 0 48 1 RR Pant (INDIA) 2018-2019 7 13 1 512 159* 42.66 725 70.62 2 0 1 51 11 RG Sharma (INDIA) 2018-2018 2 4 1 106 63* 35.33 199 53.26 0 1 0 7 3 BA Stokes (ENG) 2018-2020 3 4 0 137 72 34.25 215 63.72 0 1 0 18 3 GH Vihari (INDIA) 2018-2019 3 5 0 146 56 29.20 347 42.07 0 1 1 18 1 JM Bairstow (ENG) 2018-2019 3 6 0 173 101 28.83 331 52.26 1 0 1 22 1 TD Paine (AUS) 2018-2019 9 18 4 395 62 28.21 821 48.11 0 2 1 45 3 MS Wade (AUS) 2019-2019 4 8 0 201 110 25.12 381 52.75 1 0 1 28 0 C de Grandhomme (NZ) 2019-2020 3 5 0 125 52 25.00 202 61.88 0 1 0 12 2 HH Pandya (INDIA) 2018-2018 4 7 1 133 52* 22.16 227 58.59 0 1 1 22 1 MR Marsh (AUS) 2018-2019 5 10 0 217 96 21.70 487 44.55 0 1 1 30 2 JC Buttler (ENG) 2019-2020 5 7 0 135 43 19.28 237 56.96 0 0 0 17 4 BJ Watling (NZ) 2019-2020 3 6 0 105 40 17.50 353 29.74 0 0 0 10 0 MM Ali (ENG) 2018-2018 1 2 0 28 28 14.00 51 54.90 0 0 1 6 0 R Ashwin (INDIA) 2018-2018 1 1 0 13 13 13.00 15 86.66 0 0 0 3 0 KD Karthik (INDIA) 2018-2018 2 4 0 21 20 5.25 58 36.20 0 0 2 2 0 Z Crawley (ENG) 2019-2019 1 1 0 1 1 1.00 6 16.66 0 0 0 0 0 N Wagner (NZ) 2019-2019 1 1 0 0 0 0.00 1 0.00 0 0 1 0 0

Edited January 31, 2020 by zen

[The Dark Horse]

What wrong has Vihari done? Indian team was looking for such a guy since Laxman left..you don't just throw him away just because he's not in the limelight (which we have done and apparently noone would care too).

[SUMO]

Rahane and Vihari have done nothing wrong in past 12 months, deserves to play these 2 tests.
But I wanna see Gill also