Cricwala Posted February 22, 2020 Posted February 22, 2020 31 minutes ago, Gollum said: Shami, Vijay Ash, Jaddu, Rahul, Ishant played with injury, check how many players missed IPL that year. Vijay, Rahul did very well in that series - they were batting mainstays along with Pujara although Vijay did go for some surgery after the series (allowing that fraud test opener Dhawan a way back). Ash, Jaddu bowled without any obvious discomfort AFAIK. Ishant too did OK (altho that was Ishant 1.0 pre-Gillespie version), and he, Umesh, Bhuvi did all right in that series. All in all, we are at full strength, and Aus gave us a good scare - Smith batted out of this world, 'brain fade' and all. So no, I don't buy we were restricted by 'injuries' theory.
Adamant Posted February 22, 2020 Posted February 22, 2020 Indian fans are the worst. Man up dude,har samay kutto ki tarah bheek kyu maangte rehte. If you believe this team is good they will surely find a way out of this situation,and i am 100% sure we arent losing this one. Snowflakes galore.
Gollum Posted February 22, 2020 Author Posted February 22, 2020 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Cricwala said: Vijay, Rahul did very well in that series - they were batting mainstays along with Pujara although Vijay did go for some surgery after the series (allowing that fraud test opener Dhawan a way back). Ash, Jaddu bowled without any obvious discomfort AFAIK. Ishant too did OK (altho that was Ishant 1.0 pre-Gillespie version), and he, Umesh, Bhuvi did all right in that series. All in all, we are at full strength, and Aus gave us a good scare - Smith batted out of this world, 'brain fade' and all. So no, I don't buy we were restricted by 'injuries' theory. Bhai, Vijay didn't play the full series, we had to slot in Mukund I remember. Rahul did well but was limited by a shoulder injury. Ash had a painful episode of sports hernia, Ishant too had injury. Many played despite injuries/niggles and missed IPL soon after which they never do We were very clutch that series, but not at the peak of our powers like against NZ/Eng in 2016. Edited February 22, 2020 by Gollum
ShoonyaSifar Posted February 22, 2020 Posted February 22, 2020 Better to accept that we are still poor travelers to SENA despite the bombastic claims by our loudmouth coach and captain of how great we have become. Stan AF 1
Suhaan Posted February 22, 2020 Posted February 22, 2020 I have always said with Kohli,Shastri there,there is negativity all around the team Everyone is afraid of being kicked out of the team. Cricwala and raki05 1 1
Gollum Posted February 24, 2020 Author Posted February 24, 2020 They own us now. Adi_91 and Stan AF 1 1
Gollum Posted February 24, 2020 Author Posted February 24, 2020 @sandeep feel less bad about the SF exit now? In those conditions? Difficult opponent for us, when it is a match-up issue difference in strength becomes less important..like baby Nadal's top-spin assault on peak Federer's OHBH whcih decided many a match even off clay in the 2005-09 period. We are so poor against swing right now that invariably our top order will collapse against Boult/Southee.
SRT100 Posted February 24, 2020 Posted February 24, 2020 NZ at best are a good average Test team. Its just that India are a very very ordinary team away from home. Sgattick10 and sergio04 2
Adi_91 Posted February 24, 2020 Posted February 24, 2020 1 minute ago, SRT100 said: NZ at best are a good average Test team. Its just that India are a very very ordinary team away from home. Disagree with this assessment. NZ have been very poor in Australia and England where India have won at least a game if not more. We are not No.1 without a good reason. Today’s loss is stinging, but doesn’t make them a great side. At least records don’t agree.
Gollum Posted February 24, 2020 Author Posted February 24, 2020 (edited) 10 minutes ago, SRT100 said: NZ at best are a good average Test team. Its just that India are a very very ordinary team away from home. NZ is a good side, in their AT XI, Kane, Taylor, Boult, Watling will walk in. In the future maybe even Latham. Edited February 24, 2020 by Gollum
bhakum20 Posted February 24, 2020 Posted February 24, 2020 2 test series makes it difficult to come back, it’s not fair to the (few) fans. BCCI should not allow team to tour SENA for anything less than 3 tests and 2-3 tour games. However since money >> cricket this won’t happen Gollum 1
SRT100 Posted February 24, 2020 Posted February 24, 2020 21 hours ago, Gollum said: NZ is a good side, in their AT XI, Kane, Taylor, Boult, Watling will walk in. In the future maybe even Latham. Sorry mate. NZ is not a good side. Its just that India is a much worse side. NZ just recently was blown apart by Australia in Australia.
SRT100 Posted February 24, 2020 Posted February 24, 2020 21 hours ago, Adi_91 said: Disagree with this assessment. NZ have been very poor in Australia and England where India have won at least a game if not more. We are not No.1 without a good reason. Today’s loss is stinging, but doesn’t make them a great side. At least records don’t agree. Did you even read my comment? I said NZ are average. Which makes our performance against them pathetic.
SRT100 Posted February 24, 2020 Posted February 24, 2020 21 hours ago, bhakum20 said: 2 test series makes it difficult to come back, it’s not fair to the (few) fans. BCCI should not allow team to tour SENA for anything less than 3 tests and 2-3 tour games. However since money >> cricket this won’t happen There was absolutely zero need to play 3 ODIs this tour. The 5 T20s was plenty and should have been followed by a proper 3 Test series. I get frustrated when I know more than both Indian and NZ cricket boards combined. *I know the reason is totally linked to money for having the 3 ODIs. It doesnt make it right. The series was totally meaningless especially in a T20 World Cup year. Vilander 1
zen Posted February 24, 2020 Posted February 24, 2020 5 minutes ago, SRT100 said: NZ just recently was blown apart by Australia in Australia. Aren’t ppl mainly discussing NZ in NZ?
Gollum Posted March 2, 2020 Author Posted March 2, 2020 Only good thing coming out of this tour for me is I have made peace with our WC SF exit, both that SF and F were played in conditions closer to red ball cricket in NZ. In such conditions NZ will beat us 9/10 times no matter what XI we field. We can't play swing or seam, our bowlers aren't as good as Boult/Southee in these conditions, nothing more to add really. nitinbwj 1
Gollum Posted March 2, 2020 Author Posted March 2, 2020 Not Eng, not Aus...... NZ is the team that has completely worked out Kohli. They own his ass now.
bear23 Posted March 2, 2020 Posted March 2, 2020 Why is this not a time to admit that the Indian team is overrated and has over hyped players . New Zealand is good but not that great in the batting department. Our bowlers could have bowled them out twice in a test match if there were some runs on the board. This was a disaster as far as the batting unit is concerned for India.
Jimmy Cliff Posted March 2, 2020 Posted March 2, 2020 Just one Test win in NZ for us in the last 44 years .
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