Time to admit NZ is a darn good team and a difficult match-up for us

[Gollum]

Too much disappointment and frustration. Dunno why because ODI format isn't important at all the next 2 years. I am fine with losses as long as youngsters are given opportunities. 

 

NZ has been going through a rough patch for a few months now, so maybe expectations were higher. We won the T20 series convincingly more because of their bottling than anything special by us. It could have been 3-2 either way instead of the misleading, flattering 5-0. Now they have won the ODI series with many of their stars missing. In NZ and Eng conditions, must admit they are slightly better than us in all formats. They always struggle in Australia, so let the recent massacre not cloud our judgement, also Aussies in that mood/form (and batting first in all 3 tests) would have destroyed any team. Ranked joint 3rd in tests, #3 in ODIs.....T20 well the rankings don't mean much in that format. WC finalists 2 times in a row, 2016 WT20 SF losing just one match yada yada, clearly this tour wasn't going to be a walk in the park. 

 

Moreover they raise their game against India especially in tests and ICC events. Even in the 2016 series whitewash they lost all 3 tosses yet made us work very hard when the series was alive. In ICC events we haven't won against them since the 2003 WC encounter. They enjoy playing us in these big matches, actually weaker teams like SL and Pak have given them more headache. Just a match-up issue I guess. 

 

Hope this defeat helps us rationalize our WC exit. NZ in the kind of conditions we encountered in the finishing stage of '19 WC are very good. In the SF they outplayed us, in the F they outplayed the best ODI team on the planet. Upcoming test series too will be very tough, NZ has been a difficult place for us and our narrow win in 2009 came against a rubbish side, the weakest they have fielded in the last 3 decades. This bunch of Kiwis at least in terms of stats/potential are the best in their country's history with 3-4 (maybe more) of them in line to enter all time NZ XI.

Edited February 8, 2020 by Gollum

[zen]

Wins/losses are a part of the game. You follow the game because you love the game, which includes appreciating good cricket from both sides 

 

NZ played superb cricket esp. that Taylor-Jamieson p’ship. When Taylor was batting, I even thought about how he hit some 100 runs in the slog overs vs Pak in one of the ODIs in SL (iirc). When Jamieson got going, I had a feeling he could be the MoM 

 

Overall, well played NZ. For Ind, it is good to see some of the youngsters getting a run. Iyer did relatively well. Need to get Pant in 

[Ankit_sharma03]

They always punch above their weight , im pretty sure if we do a man to man comparison we ll be ahead but cricket is a team game and they work better as team. Also kane williamson is a better LOI captain then kohli

[ShoonyaSifar]

No Kane Williamson, no Boult, Matt Henry and Fergusson - thats 4 players missing from the WC final team including almost the entire bowling attack (Santnr didn;'t play today). This was an almost NZ A team.

 

Losing to them is not okay especially when you have a loudmouth captain and coach who keep repeating how great they and their team is.

[Ajju]

ODIS not important for few days - Kohli

[nevada]

1 hour ago, Ajju said:

ODIS not important for few days - Kohli

Not at all a convincing statement from a guy who goes for clean sweep against weak opposition and refuses to field youngsters even in dead rubber games. Saying something like this is disrespectful to the opposition and fans. 

 

 

 

[ganeshran]

1 hour ago, Ajju said:

ODIS not important for few days - Kohli

ODIs are not important on the days we lose - Kohli

[nitinbwj]

What Kohli really wants to say is "ODI's,Tests,T20's are irrelevant for me in the next few decades as i have shitload of money now.Screw you all."

 

[Frustrated]

We played without our regular openers.  So, the defeat was on the cards.  Accommodating 2 debutants in the opening slot is not going to give you positive results immediately. That too against a tough opponent.

[Stan AF]

1 hour ago, zen said:

Wins/losses are a part of the game. You follow the game because you love the game, which includes appreciating good cricket from both sides 

 

 

[nitinbwj]

Just now, Frustrated said:

We played without our regular openers.  So, the defeat was on the cards.  Accommodating 2 debutants in the opening slot is not going to give you positive results immediately. That too against a tough opponent.

Jamieson turned out be a gold find for NZ.Pace,swing,accuracy and can bat as well.Good sensible tall fellow.

[zen]

Just now, Stan AF said:

[Suhaan]

3 hours ago, zen said:

When Taylor was batting, I even thought about how he hit some 100 runs in the slog overs vs Pak in one of the ODIs in SL (iirc).

WC 2011 match at Pallekale

Where Taylor went berserk in slog overs,i think they scored around 100 runs in last 5 overs,Shoaib got pounding of his lifetime which eventually ended his career

[Global.Baba]

This was a Nz A side. Boult,Henry,Ferguson,Santner not in the team.

 

Williamson not playing.

 

Even Southee was half fit because we the commentators were saying they had got Ronchi in as an emergency back up and Southee decided to play as he felt marginally better than Santner as they didn’t have enough players or something.

[bear23]

yes new zealand team is good. The issue is that indian team is over rated. 

[Laaloo]

7 hours ago, Ajju said:

ODIS not important for few days - Kohli

Then why was he showing so much emotion and outrage against Kendrick Williams a few months back?

[Vilander]

Form depends on many things including motivation. I see that fist game has 25 odd wides and extras. Second game had lots of down the legside stray to 4. Lots of hoicks from nz became 6s. The bowling and fielding are not top notch from India. Its not a critical time for odi, expect the same team to be a bit more focused during tests. 

[Straight Drive]

We just thrashed Kiwis 5-0 in T20i. There are still 2 ODI's to be played. Perhaps we can hope to draw this series and the team can fly back home with a T20i whitewash and a drawn ODI series that too overseas. Hope for the best.

[Suhaan]

1 minute ago, Straight Drive said:

We just thrashed Kiwis 5-0 in T20i. There are still 2 ODI's to be played. Perhaps we can hope to draw this series and the team can fly back home with a T20i whitewash and a drawn ODI series that too overseas. Hope for the best.

I think this is 3 match series and we have lost it already

[rollingstoned]

they are a disciplined and well drilled team who do the basics well and are greater than the sum of their parts. usually such teams are also tactically astute which new zealand have been regardless of how much talent they have had since i started watching cricket. I remember them giving that atg aussie team a scare in australia in the 2001 summer, of course that is the only time they have been competitive there. Such a unit will always expose your weaknesses even if you are more talented than them. they were once pakistan's whipping boys but of late that has turned around too, they somehow won the test series in uae  on the back of that 1 match where azhar ali batted like a coward until the end and got out and they lost by 1 run or something.  

Edited February 9, 2020 by rollingstoned