Why Pakistanis are in rage over Delhi Riots?

[Malcolm Merlyn]

If you read pakistani posts on social media,they are raging over the Delhi riots.

 

In the unfortunate events in Delhi more than 50 people died. Hindus and Muslims both. But for pakistanis, its a Muslim pogrom and Hindus are terrorists and extremists.

 

How in the world, did a riot, where people from both sides perished and suffered losses become a pogrom?

 

For that you have to understand something. Pakistanis have never witnessed a communal riot . Not because Pakistan is some epitome of peace, there a riot means, muslim mobs terrorizing minorities. Non muslims suffer damage exclusively.

 

So when a actual communal riot occurs, where muslims also suffer casualties like non muslims,for them it becomes a muslim pogrom.

 

Funnily they talk about India becoming a hindu nation. There is hardly any country that has a muslim majority and is secular, pakistan itself is a islamic republic,with non muslims being second class citizens. Yet they have issues with another country and its religion. There are muslim countries, christian countries, jewish country and buddhist countries, yet the idea of a hindu majority country thats secular and gives equal rights to others is non palatable, let alone the idea of a hindu country.

 

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[Gollum]

Why just Pakistanis, majority Indian Muslims and libbus are no different. At least with Pakeeez it is understandable, we (Hindus, India) are their #1 enemy so they always try to find fault, look better...to justify the decision of their forefathers in 1947. Real question is what's wrong with so many Indians? 

 

Cicero quote (most probably but there are some who say different source):

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A nation cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murderer is less to fear.

First clear out the fifth column weakening us from within, then let us worry about the jihadis next door. 

Edited March 7, 2020 by Gollum

[Gollum]

You are given the option to save from gallows either a top ranking PakMil jihadi or one of our traitors (Diggy, Pawar, Sonia, Arundhati, Rana, Mander, SVardarajan....), who will you choose? I will save the Pakeee pig 10/10 times because I respect a known enemy more than the slippery snakes hiding in my attic. 

Edited March 7, 2020 by Gollum

[jf1gp_1]

cause they are looking for validation from washed out indian actors /activities 

[javier26]

Not just Pakistanis look at the number of Western sources reporting the violence in India.  Most of the people have actually started to believe that India is currently being ruled by a Genocidal Maniac called Narendra " Hitler " Modi who has been elected by Hindus to teach Muslims a lesson. 

 

 

Not just about Muslims.  Constant propaganda is being peddled about how all minorities including Christians are under attack in India. All Westerm Liberals are bashing India left,  right and center. 

Edited March 7, 2020 by javier26

[javier26]

 

Are Pakistanis also responsible for this?  This is just not about one or two articles, there are millions of such reports spreading  across various countless Western,  Chinese,  Philippines,  African and Middle East sources. Its all about Modi this , Modi that,  Hindu,  RSS,  Terrorist,  Nazi,  Hitler,  Swastika.

 

Less said the better about the clampdown in Kashmir. Few years ago you could say it with Pride that nobody other than Pakistan cares about Kashmir and support the Indian narrative but all of a sudden Kashmir has become one of the infamous disputes gathering worldwide attention. Things have changed so quickly.

Edited March 7, 2020 by javier26

[R!TTER]

3 hours ago, Malcolm Merlyn said:

How in the world, did a riot, where people from both sides perished and suffered losses become a pogrom?

The same way 2002 riots were a "pogrom" conveniently forgetting what triggered the riots 

 

Though that's a separate can of worms, the fact remains that everything is a conspiracy against the minority community in India & "Genocide" if you watch some news/entertainment outlets 

[Alam_dar]

14 hours ago, Gollum said:

Why just Pakistanis, majority Indian Muslims and libbus are no different. At least with Pakeeez it is understandable, we (Hindus, India) are their #1 enemy so they always try to find fault, look better...to justify the decision of their forefathers in 1947. Real question is what's wrong with so many Indians? 

 

Cicero quote (most probably but there are some who say different source):

First clear out the fifth column weakening us from within, then let us worry about the jihadis next door. 

In my opinion, Liberals in India are showing the right approach and stand morally on the high grounds. This gives a lot of strength to the Liberals in Pakistan. This party like Pakistan People's Party is able to come to the government too sometimes (although they make things worse for liberalism, while they are illiterates and corrupt people). 

 

There are some good Liberals in Pakistan, who do raise their voices and opposition to Islamic fanatics and also raise their voices against Army. All of them gain strength from the Secularism in India. 

 

But as Hindutva wave becomes stronger in India, and Secularism dies, then it also causes a death for the Pakistani secularism. 

 

I am afraid that Indian Hindutva will also be cause of loss of Secularism in Bangladesh too in one form or another. 

 

I saw that Indian Bollywood was able to spread it's secular influence in Pakistan and indeed Pakistanis were watching Indian movies and Indian Dramas and it had effects upon Pakistani culture. But now Indian Bollywood has itself been considered as a curse and traitor to India. In my honest opinion, bloody incidents that happen in India under Hindutva movement, reduces the effects of Bollywood in Pakistan. 

 

 

[MechEng]

12 hours ago, javier26 said:

 

Are Pakistanis also responsible for this?  This is just not about one or two articles, there are millions of such reports spreading  across various countless Western,  Chinese,  Philippines,  African and Middle East sources. Its all about Modi this , Modi that,  Hindu,  RSS,  Terrorist,  Nazi,  Hitler,  Swastika.

 

Less said the better about the clampdown in Kashmir. Few years ago you could say it with Pride that nobody other than Pakistan cares about Kashmir and support the Indian narrative but all of a sudden Kashmir has become one of the infamous disputes gathering worldwide attention. Things have changed so quickly.

It is complicated.

 

There are combination of 2 things - rising immigrant demographics in white countries (mostly Islamic) and the fear of West losing it's hegemony to the eastern powers. So it is a mix of these 2 things which give rise to such articles.

 

You'll never see Russians writing such articles even though they have a healthy muslim population, because Russia has hardly any Pakistanis and they do not fear India because they never looked down on eastern civilization in the past.

Edited March 7, 2020 by MechEng

[First class]

Every life is precious, including three Hindus died in the anti-Muslim riots in Delhi but all others were Muslims , so how this was “ a riot where people from both side died “ . Since when 3 are equal to 50 ? 

[First class]

Delhi riots were a tragedy, a humanitarian tragedy not just for Pakistanis but for people all over the world . 

[FischerTal]

2 minutes ago, First class said:

Every life is precious, including three Hindus died in the anti-Muslim riots in Delhi but all others were Muslims , so how this was “ a riot where people from both side died “ . Since when 3 are equal to 50 ? 

if every life was precious, why your army hides its casualties on LoC? this is not me saying it but your own minister.

 

https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/number-of-martyred-troops-cant-be-disclosed-pak-senate-told.500188/

 

Number of martyred troops can't be disclosed, Senate told

Edited March 7, 2020 by FischerTal

[First class]

13 minutes ago, FischerTal said:

if every life was precious, why your army hides its casualties on LoC? this is not me saying it but your own minister.

 

https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/number-of-martyred-troops-cant-be-disclosed-pak-senate-told.500188/

 

Number of martyred troops can't be disclosed, Senate told

Same old rant, I’m not here to defend Pakistan army , whenever we talk about any tragedy in India whether in Kashmir or Delhi , people like you would talk about thing happened in Pakistan . OK, Pak army is evil , so does that justify butchering of 53 innocent people in Delhi , show some courage and reply to the matter discussed and if you don’t have anything to say , you don’t have to . 

[FischerTal]

Just now, First class said:

Same old rant, I’m not here to defend Pakistan army , whenever we talk about any tragedy in India whether in Kashmir or Delhi , people like you would talk about thing happened in Pakistan . OK, Pak army is evil , so does that justify butchering of 53 innocent people in Delhi , show some courage and reply to the matter discussed and if you don’t have anything to say , you don’t have to . 

I just asked a logical question and I got the usual response. Why would an army, which controls an entire state, lie about its own shortcomings and that too for the men who sacrificed their lives for your country.? We know from Kargil since it was the Indian Army which buried Pakistani soldiers and gave them proper Islamic burials. Indian Army, just like the Indian state, is guided by a stronger moral fiber and we dont differentiate between deaths of Hindus and Muslims. Its death of humans at the end of the day.

[First class]

What a nonsense, we are talking about Delhi riots and killing of innocent people there are you’re talking about Pakistan army , what is it got to do with Delhi riots . 

 

[Alam_dar]

1 hour ago, MultiB48 said:

If you couldn't develop liberal ,secular, democratic, humanist ,environmentalist yada yada in any of the Islamic countries in all these years then it's your fault . Don't you think your long drawn failure to tame your society has given rise to us ? So don't shift the blame and guilt trip us and further use it as an excuse for your impeding failures.

World is not a PERFECT place. We will get some success and some failures. It may be that in cases failures are much more than the successes. 

 

In Islamic Pakistan, it was perhaps 90% failure. 

 

In Bangladesh, success rate is much more than Pakistan. 

 

Overall, Islam won with great margin over Secularism in whole Islamic world. 

 

But ....

 

India moving to Hindutva is not bringing any positive to the already bad condition of the world. 

 

Indian Muslims "were" even more Secular than Bangladesh on average. And "majority" of them were indeed loyal too to the secular India. 

 

But what did this Hindutva movement achieved? 

 

Firstly, it indirectly minimised the positive effects of secularism in Islamic world.  We "the Pakistani liberals" were always blaming Jinnah to be wrong. But now we have no argument left for us.  And Pakistani liberals were loud in criticising the wrong doings of Army. Unfortunately, now Hindutva movement made Pak Army much stronger indirectly, along with the Islamic fanatics in Pakistan. 

 

Secondly, a "united" India was a much bigger danger to Islamic Pakistan. But due to Hindutva movement, Inidan unity broke out. Now India got the big "internal" problems where it has to deal with "majority" of Indian Muslims, who are now considered as traitors to India. 

 

Thirdly, a "united" India also scattered while Hindutva movement not only made 100% Muslims as traitors to India, but it made Indian Secularists too the traitors of India. 

 

Therefore, under Hindutva government, now India is divided and has a lot more "internal" problems than before. This is not a good and wise thing for India to get so much polarised society, which is filled with anger and hatred. 

 

You think that giving immigration to Christians, Sikhs and Buddhists from Islamic countries would tame them to accept the Hindutva movement? In my opinion, NO. 

 

Not only Indian Muslims and Indian Secularists fear the Hindutva movement, but Christians and Sikhs are also fearful of it. Believe me that Sikhs and Christians are not on the Hindutva side, but they are also Secularists in Indian spectrum. 

 

Sikhs helped Muslims a lot during the present riots in Delhi. It was partly due to humanity in this religion, but also partly while they disagree with Hindutva movement and it's killing of Indian Muslim minority. 

 

 

[panther]

Why not they are our brothers.

[Vilander]

6 hours ago, Alam_dar said:

Secondly, a "united" India was a much bigger danger to Islamic Pakistan. But due to Hindutva movement, Inidan unity broke out. Now India got the big "internal" problems where it has to deal with "majority" of Indian Muslims, who are now considered as traitors to India. 

 

Thirdly, a "united" India also scattered while Hindutva movement not only made 100% Muslims as traitors to India, but it made Indian Secularists too the traitors of India. 

 

Therefore, under Hindutva government, now India is divided and has a lot more "internal" problems than before. This is not a good and wise thing for India to get so much polarised society, which is filled with anger and hatred. 

 

You think that giving immigration to Christians, Sikhs and Buddhists from Islamic countries would tame them to accept the Hindutva movement? In my opinion, NO. 

 

Not only Indian Muslims and Indian Secularists fear the Hindutva movement, but Christians and Sikhs are also fearful of it. Believe me that Sikhs and Christians are not on the Hindutva side, but they are also Secularists in Indian spectrum. 

 

Sikhs helped Muslims a lot during the present riots in Delhi. It was partly due to humanity in this religion, but also partly while they disagree with Hindutva movement and it's killing of Indian Muslim minority. 

all these are lies by a pakeee

[Muloghonto]

6 hours ago, Alam_dar said:

World is not a PERFECT place. We will get some success and some failures. It may be that in cases failures are much more than the successes. 

 

In Islamic Pakistan, it was perhaps 90% failure. 

 

In Bangladesh, success rate is much more than Pakistan. 

 

Overall, Islam won with great margin over Secularism in whole Islamic world. 

 

But ....

 

India moving to Hindutva is not bringing any positive to the already bad condition of the world. 

 

Indian Muslims "were" even more Secular than Bangladesh on average. And "majority" of them were indeed loyal too to the secular India. 

 

But what did this Hindutva movement achieved? 

 

Firstly, it indirectly minimised the positive effects of secularism in Islamic world.  We "the Pakistani liberals" were always blaming Jinnah to be wrong. But now we have no argument left for us.  And Pakistani liberals were loud in criticising the wrong doings of Army. Unfortunately, now Hindutva movement made Pak Army much stronger indirectly, along with the Islamic fanatics in Pakistan. 

 

Secondly, a "united" India was a much bigger danger to Islamic Pakistan. But due to Hindutva movement, Inidan unity broke out. Now India got the big "internal" problems where it has to deal with "majority" of Indian Muslims, who are now considered as traitors to India. 

 

Thirdly, a "united" India also scattered while Hindutva movement not only made 100% Muslims as traitors to India, but it made Indian Secularists too the traitors of India. 

 

Therefore, under Hindutva government, now India is divided and has a lot more "internal" problems than before. This is not a good and wise thing for India to get so much polarised society, which is filled with anger and hatred. 

 

You think that giving immigration to Christians, Sikhs and Buddhists from Islamic countries would tame them to accept the Hindutva movement? In my opinion, NO. 

 

Not only Indian Muslims and Indian Secularists fear the Hindutva movement, but Christians and Sikhs are also fearful of it. Believe me that Sikhs and Christians are not on the Hindutva side, but they are also Secularists in Indian spectrum. 

 

Sikhs helped Muslims a lot during the present riots in Delhi. It was partly due to humanity in this religion, but also partly while they disagree with Hindutva movement and it's killing of Indian Muslim minority. 

 

 

Translation: its your fault you got punched in the face by a violent rapist because you said stop raping me.  Hindivta that is about Hindu identity is responsible for provoking the mad Muslims. This is the same argument that a woman in a skirt got raped by a dude coz she tempted the dude.