I6MTW Posted August 29, 2020 Posted August 29, 2020 Christianity used to be as worse as Islam, if not worse. Back in the dark ages, and until the 19th/20th century, most crimes occurred worldwide in the name of Christianity, such as Spanish Inquisition, Crusades(ok Islam was also involved) , conversion crimes, genocide of races(Native Americans etc), atrocities commited by Missionaries, rapes of women , ,archaic and draconian rulings by the Church and other Christian Monarchs . But in the last century or two, Christians have evolved and allowed for development, giving rights to Womans, becoming more tolerant and secular moderate and progressive views etc. So why is it so difficult for Muslims and Islam as a whole to evolve, considering Christianity was just as worse considering previous history?
Lannister Posted August 30, 2020 Posted August 30, 2020 You are the reflection of your religion and the upbringing. They are passionate, thoroughly brainwashed about their religion, and most importantly, ready to blow themselves up. I don't see similar commitment from the gobar sanghis, because deep down they know how **** their religion is or any religion for that matter. Indian subcontinent must be the most abused region in the world, from Hinduism aka Brahminism, Islam and Christianity.
gattaca Posted August 30, 2020 Posted August 30, 2020 (edited) @I6MTW fact is Islam reformed. Do read up. They gathered all the Qurans and burned them and rewrote as they liked. http://www.harvardhouse.com/quran_purity.htm Edited August 30, 2020 by gattaca coffee_rules 1
Alam_dar Posted August 30, 2020 Posted August 30, 2020 12 hours ago, Lannister said: You are the reflection of your religion and the upbringing. They are passionate, thoroughly brainwashed about their religion, and most importantly, ready to blow themselves up. Brainwashing. More brainwashed you are, most likely you are going to blast yourself for it. Thus, the most who blast themselves, are those whom normal Muslims don't consider even a Muslim i.e. ISIA, Taliban, al-Qaida, Boko Haram .... 12 hours ago, Lannister said: I don't see similar commitment from the gobar sanghis, because deep down they know how **** their religion is or any religion for that matter. Indian subcontinent must be the most abused region in the world, from Hinduism aka Brahminism, Islam and Christianity. Most abused region is, where the most brainwashed people live. And this title goes to the Muslim lands only. Thus most abused is Afghanistan of Taliban, or the Iraqi/Syrian part of ISIS. Most abused part is whole of Pakistan, as compared to India. Even Iran and Saudia are also more abused than India.
Alam_dar Posted August 30, 2020 Posted August 30, 2020 On 8/29/2020 at 5:41 PM, I6MTW said: Christianity used to be as worse as Islam, if not worse. Back in the dark ages, and until the 19th/20th century, most crimes occurred worldwide in the name of Christianity, such as Spanish Inquisition, Crusades(ok Islam was also involved) , conversion crimes, genocide of races(Native Americans etc), atrocities commited by Missionaries, rapes of women , ,archaic and draconian rulings by the Church and other Christian Monarchs . But in the last century or two, Christians have evolved and allowed for development, giving rights to Womans, becoming more tolerant and secular moderate and progressive views etc. So why is it so difficult for Muslims and Islam as a whole to evolve, considering Christianity was just as worse considering previous history? I believe all things take TIME to "evolve". Ultimately, Islam/Muslims will also evolve. I believe that CHURCH played a lot of role in "POLITICS" in Europe for centuries. And politics ultimately brought a bad name to church, and thus to Christianity too. But Mullahs/Mosques never got so much Political influence in the Muslim past. We never saw movements like ISIS, Taliban, al-Qaida in the Muslim past. Or even in Pakistan, we never saw so much religious influence of normal Mullahs that we are feeling today. Although hidden, but I could easily feel that more and more Mullahs are getting the influence, and more and more life of normal people are interfered by Islam, more and more Hatred is evolving in Pakistani society against Islam as religion. And we also know the hatred in the society against the political Islam of ISIS and Taliban. Thus it is a matter of little time, but surely political Islam will cause the death of Islam itself among the masses.
zen Posted August 30, 2020 Posted August 30, 2020 Men like wars so they need a reason. WW3 if it happens could be based on religion.
maniac Posted August 31, 2020 Posted August 31, 2020 One thing I admire about Islam is that majority even a. 6 year old or a 60 year old will follow roza and other traditions without fail. on the other hand we have majority woke crowd that find loopholes from everything from our epics, religious icons and cultures/ traditions Laaloo 1
maniac Posted August 31, 2020 Posted August 31, 2020 (edited) 20 hours ago, zen said: Men like wars so they need a reason. WW3 if it happens could be based on religion. Wars happens mostly on ethnic lines never on religion at least so far. Even the British or Islamic invaders came for their own expansionist vision and religion was used just a tool to may be further their agenda. Religion will never be a strong enough influenced to start a war. Yes it may cause nuisance and skirmishes of various scale but it isn’t powerful enough to start a war. Case in point Subcontinent 2 biggest wars in modern history were both based on language/ ethinicity eg, Srilanka-LTTE or Pak-Bangla Edited August 31, 2020 by maniac Alam_dar 1
zen Posted August 31, 2020 Posted August 31, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, maniac said: Wars happens mostly on ethnic lines never on religion at least so far. Even the British or Islamic invaders came for their own expansionist vision and religion was used just a tool to may be further their agenda. Religion will never be a strong enough influenced to start a war. Yes it may cause nuisance and skirmishes of various scale but it isn’t powerful enough to start a war. Case in point Subcontinent 2 biggest wars in modern history were both based on language/ ethinicity eg, Srilanka-LTTE or Pak-Bangla Reasons to go to wars and wars themselves can have multi dimensions and can play out in multiple ways and on a variety of scales. I am not sure if you are aware of Holy Crusades for e.g. (involved multiple parties) .... Countries such as Israel are in a constant state of war due to factors such as religion. Ind is involved in a prolonged war in Kashmir. Here the war is on a different scale and dimension. Africa is involved in various conflicts with religious roots/angles as well. Right now many of such conflicts are observed in what the developed world sees as mid to low tier countries to get too involved. Terrorism can be a tool for religious war as well used by weaker countries/religious groups to take on stronger ones. With multiple countries fighting it simultaneously on a global scale. Therefore we cannot assume the form WW3 takes. It could already have started in an imperceptible manner, waiting to scale up over the years Edited August 31, 2020 by zen
maniac Posted August 31, 2020 Posted August 31, 2020 3 minutes ago, zen said: Reasons to go to wars and wars themselves can have multi dimensions and can play out in multiple ways and on a variety of scales. I am not sure if you are aware of Holy Crusades for e.g. (involved multiple parties) .... Countries such as Israel are in a constant state of war due to factors such as religion. Ind is involved in a prolonged war in Kashmir. Here the war is on a different scale and dimension. Africa is involved in various conflicts with religious roots/angles as well. Right now many of such conflicts are observed in what the developed world sees as mid to low tier countries to get too involved. Terrorism can be a tool for religious war as well used by weaker countries/religious groups to take on stronger ones. With multiple countries fighting it simultaneously on a global scale. Therefore we cannot assume the form WW3 takes. It could already have started in an imperceptible manner, waiting to scale up over the years WW3 is going to be fought online.
zen Posted August 31, 2020 Posted August 31, 2020 3 minutes ago, maniac said: WW3 is going to be fought online. Online can be a tool to recruit “soldiers” within an enemy country
coffee_rules Posted August 31, 2020 Posted August 31, 2020 8 minutes ago, maniac said: WW3 is going to be fought online. I have a friend who returned to India for good because his guruji had a vision of WW3 afftecting/erasing USA. He envisioned after the world runs out Gelf oil, Russia, EU and China will attack USA for oil and decimate it, so they can control the world for oil. As humans consume up all natural resources, the next war will be over sparse resources. Religion don't matter then. maniac 1
zen Posted August 31, 2020 Posted August 31, 2020 9 minutes ago, coffee_rules said: I have a friend who returned to India for good because his guruji had a vision of WW3 afftecting/erasing USA. He envisioned after the world runs out Gelf oil, Russia, EU and China will attack USA for oil and decimate it, so they can control the world for oil. As humans consume up all natural resources, the next war will be over sparse resources. Religion don't matter then. Was the guruji @Global.Baba USA has less oil reserves than Russia. Canada has like 4x oil reserves than USA. Libya has more oil reserve than USA. Also the trend to move towards clean energy.
maniac Posted August 31, 2020 Posted August 31, 2020 34 minutes ago, coffee_rules said: I have a friend who returned to India for good because his guruji had a vision of WW3 afftecting/erasing USA. He envisioned after the world runs out Gelf oil, Russia, EU and China will attack USA for oil and decimate it, so they can control the world for oil. As humans consume up all natural resources, the next war will be over sparse resources. Religion don't matter then. Yeah water too. It will be an online war for water
zen Posted August 31, 2020 Posted August 31, 2020 3 hours ago, maniac said: Yeah water too. It will be an online war for water Water would be sold online. Enemy hackers will hack into government accounts to divert/disrupt supply
Jimmy Cliff Posted August 31, 2020 Posted August 31, 2020 Because radical Islam is a useful tool for TPTB to unleash chaos/conflict across the world. That's the reason why they allow large number of immigrants from Islamic countries to move to the West. That's also the reason why the MSM (also controlled by TPTB) is so soft on radical Islam. Once it has served it's purpose, it will be defanged or allowed to be "reformed". chewy and coffee_rules 1 1
chewy Posted August 31, 2020 Posted August 31, 2020 Islam will never reform and won't be allowed to because it provides endless supply of dumb plebs to do menial jobs obviously some have to be supplemented with state welfare. They are so brainwashed with bullshit religious nonsense that majority will struggle to develop their mental capacity beyond a school leaver, its no surprise in every multi-faith/multicultural society they are the poorest and prone to act like monkeys when offended.
Alam_dar Posted September 1, 2020 Posted September 1, 2020 1 hour ago, Gollum said: How to reform this? Long Stick is the solution to all such religious madness. This ruling is so brutal that already the moderate Muslims had to disassociate themselves from it and they are trying to present alternative interpretation to it i.e. this Ruling was only related to Prophet Muhammad and to the Kafirs of Arabia of his time. But the extremist Muslims (e.g. Salafi/Wahabi Fiqh of Saudia) still stick to this ruling, and extend it to present day. The fatwas of Salafi Muftis is this that Muslims are weak at moment, and thus they should stay calm, but as soon as any Islamic State becomes stronger, then it becomes incumbent upon that state to wage a war against the Kafir states and impose Sharia upon them.
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