Neutral Umpires: If players can travel and quarantine, why can't umpires, asks Jason Holder

[Lone Wolf]

Holder - "I still don't understand a situation where we're just having home umpires. If players are making the sacrifice and going on the road and continuing cricket then I feel as though the umpires should do the same," Holder said. "Even if it's a case where you get a home and an opposing umpire to do a Test match then I think that's fair.

"The umpiring in the Test series, I can't really say it's been horrible. Obviously, in any Test series, you get decisions that you would always question, but the umpires put up their hands and did a reasonable job."

[Bhoot]

Holder needs to stfu. WI will lose even if they play 3 innings in a test. Pathetic team. 

[Lone Wolf]

2 minutes ago, Bhoot said:

Holder needs to stfu. WI will lose even if they play 3 innings in a test. Pathetic team. 

In the T20 series WI got a pretty rough deal I think.  Even in England tour reviews more often than not saved them as home Umpire were heavily biased. 

He raised a fair point I think. 

[Bhoot]

Just now, Lone Wolf said:

In the T20 series WI got a pretty rough deal I think.  Even in England tour reviews more often than not saved them as home Umpire were heavily biased. 

He raised a fair point I think. 

Point is valid we also saw that during our 2007 oz tour. However WI should not be looking for excuses as it feel like that. They have a trash test team and I don't see many of them accepting that. 

[coffee_rules]

Let’s see how many of us will say the same after B-G trophy

[sandeep]

6 hours ago, Bhoot said:

Holder needs to stfu. WI will lose even if they play 3 innings in a test. Pathetic team. 

I would be saying this even if I wasn't a mod - you should really take a breath and try to calm down a bit.  

 

There is simply no need to take a negative tone and a nasty vibe so often.  Its not good for you either.  

 

Jason Holder is a highly respected cricketer, in and beyond the west indies. For a number of good reasons.  He's a very classy guy with a long track record in the spotlight.  He has made his point in a reasonably diplomatic way.  

 

Regarding your point about the Windies test team, its not really a reflection on Holder, who is a top 5 test allrounder if not higher.  If he were playing for an ANUS team or India, he'd be a superstar.  

[Serpico]

7 hours ago, Bhoot said:

Holder needs to stfu. WI will lose even if they play 3 innings in a test. Pathetic team. 

what does team strength has to do with raising this point? In case you forgot India also got thrased in Nz earlier this year, would you say the same thing if an Indian player raise this issue? 

 

7 hours ago, Bhoot said:

However WI should not be looking for excuses as it feel like that. They have a trash test team and I don't see many of them accepting that. 

Complete nonsense. Since he was made captain to WI, Holder has always been realistic and practical about their capabilities. When the WTC started he said that they know they have little chance of making it to finals, and will try to get some wins and a mid table place. 

[SK_IH]

WI talking about umpiring in NZ, back to 1980 lol. Need an insight from Michael Holding on this issue.

[ShoonyaSifar]

The cost of teams with 30-35 players  and support staff being in a bio secure bubble from their home base to a tour destination can still be justified. How would you justify it for a single individual - isolation of 10-12 days in home country, chartered flights, 14 day quarantine at tour destination. That's too much effort and could be more than the cost of umpires in a series.

 

With DRS in place, maybe ICC could consider giving 3 or even 4 reviews per innings to make up for the deficiency of not having neutral umpires.

[Gollum]

Holder is 100% right, didn't follow this series but Eng-WI series was a farce. I think in one of the days in T1 WI had 6-7 successful overturned referrals, 3 of them featuring the same player. Even Sky commies were aghast. 

[Norman]

14 hours ago, sandeep said:

ANUS

 

[Gollum]

Need neutral umps, more than half the test playing countries have garbage umpires. Only Aus and Eng (lesser extent) have quality and depth. 

 

List of Elite Panel of ICC Umpires

Umpire	Date of Birth	Age as of 31 January 2021	Year Appointed	Tests[8]	ODIs[9]	T20Is[10]	Country
Richard Illingworth	23 August 1963	57 years, 119 days	2013	47	68	16	England
Bruce Oxenford	5 March 1960	60 years, 332 days	2012	59	96	20	Australia
Aleem Dar	6 June 1968	52 years, 239 days	2004	132	210	46	Pakistan
Marais Erasmus	27 February 1964	56 years, 339 days	2010	62	92	26	South Africa
Rod Tucker	28 August 1964	56 years, 156 days	2010	71	84	35	Australia
Kumar Dharmasena	24 April 1971	49 years, 282 days	2011	58	89	22	Sri Lanka
Richard Kettleborough	15 March 1973	47 years, 322 days	2011	64	89	22	England
Nitin Menon	2 November 1983	37 years, 90 days	2020	3	24	16	India
Paul Reiffel	19 April 1966	54 years, 287 days	2013	48	70	16	Australia
Chris Gaffaney	30 November 1975	45 years, 93 days	2015	33	68	22	New Zealand
Michael Gough	18 December 1979	41 years, 44 days	2019	14	62	14	England
Joel Wilson	30 December 1966	54 years, 32 days	2019	19	66	26	West Indies

[Austin 3:!6]

Our home umpires are an embarrassment. I dont think its bias as India is easily winning this test match and need not cheat. But it is incompetency since the third umpire dont even know the rules. BCCI with all its money cant train and prepare better umpires?

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[chewy]

Shambolic umpiring

 

Yesterday's Not Out given when ball clearly hit glove and umpiring not checking after bat edge check - and even Indian commies was initially busy defending the incompetent third umpire. 

 

And today's shot played when clearly no shot offered 

 

Was utterly embarrassing and incompetent umpiring..no excuses third umpire has to be suspended after this Test

 

At least in Australia the Aussie commies were critical.of any rubbish decisions - here pussy India commies just keep quite

 

 

[putrevus]

Who was the batsman given not out after hitting gloves?

 

 

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[chewy]

33 minutes ago, putrevus said:

Who was the batsman given not out after hitting gloves?

 

 

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