sandeep Posted March 25, 2021 Share Posted March 25, 2021 I like Sanjeev, but some of his content can get repetitive at times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coffee_rules Posted March 25, 2021 Author Share Posted March 25, 2021 9 minutes ago, sandeep said: I like Sanjeev, but some of his content can get repetitive at times. He’s not a historian by profession, but does it for passion. I don’t think he does constant research , but seems to peddle the same information from last few years. But, the point being, none of his revisions are taken seriously by academia/scholars as they need to be peer-reviews and you know how academics a reviews their peers. It’s all an old boys’ club. sandeep 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coffee_rules Posted March 25, 2021 Author Share Posted March 25, 2021 Long read... https://www.dharmadispatch.in/amp/story/commentary/de-secularizing-indian-history-why-the-ugc-deserves-our-kudos?__twitter_impression=true “ The new syllabus uses the word "invasion" in connection with several Muslim rulers such as Babar - a term the current DU syllabus shuns. "In the draft syllabus, the term 'invasion' has been used only in the case of Muslim rulers, not even against the East India Company," Meena said. In other words, truth will be told truthfully. How would you describe Babar’s barbarism, which he—like his predecessor-invaders—has himself gloated about in Babarnama? Oh wait! It was not an invasion but “arrival” according to Mohammad Habib’s “school” of distory. The current DU syllabus shuns the term “invasion” because it follows Habib’s template. For a detailed explanation of this template and its Leftist institutionalization, read the Shuddho-Ashuddho section in Arun Shourie’s Eminent Historians.” “It appears that the journalist “reporting” this piece either forgot to or hesitated to use the term “eminent” instead of “prominent.” There’s a good reason these works were deservedly dropped. They were precisely the works that destroyed three generations of Indian children, and especially instilled self-hatred and national hatred in the psyches of Hindu children. On the subject of R.S. Sharma, we have some fine eviscerationsdone by the sharp pen of Dr. Shankar Saran. And then, we have dedicated a four-part series to document the distortionist eminence of Irfan Habib. There’s another side to the dropping of their books, once again, unearthed by Arun Shourie to whom we owe an incredible debt of gratitude.“ Hopefully Arun Shourie gets back a respectable place in BJP and not go rogue and senile like Yashwant Sinha raki05 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coffee_rules Posted April 7, 2021 Author Share Posted April 7, 2021 Kids learning too much about Moghuls and not much of others. Why do kids need to know about culinary habits of Moghul kings.. or rather any king for that matter? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BacktoCricaddict Posted April 7, 2021 Share Posted April 7, 2021 1 hour ago, coffee_rules said: Kids learning too much about Moghuls and not much of others. Why do kids need to know about culinary habits of Moghul kings.. or rather any king for that matter? Have to read the whole book and compare objectively before making conclusions. Is Ms. Jain cherry-picking to feed her confirmation bias? Are there any cool facts about other kings? Aurangzeb was a vegetarian? The only animals he mercilessly killed belonged to the species Homo sapiens. What a joke! Are they trying to humanize this devil? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mariyam Posted April 7, 2021 Share Posted April 7, 2021 Just now, BacktoCricaddict said: Have to read the whole book and compare objectively before making conclusions. Is Ms. Jain cherry-picking to feed her confirmation bias? Are there any cool facts about other kings? Aurangzeb was a vegetarian? The only animals he mercilessly killed belonged to the species Homo sapiens. What a joke! Are they trying to humanize this devil? Does being a vegetarian humanize a person? BacktoCricaddict and raki05 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BacktoCricaddict Posted April 7, 2021 Share Posted April 7, 2021 Just now, Mariyam said: Does being a vegetarian humanize a person? To people who think vegetarianism is a moral good. Of which there are many in India. Certainly would work with my mom. Mariyam 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coffee_rules Posted April 7, 2021 Author Share Posted April 7, 2021 52 minutes ago, BacktoCricaddict said: Have to read the whole book and compare objectively before making conclusions. Is Ms. Jain cherry-picking to feed her confirmation bias? Are there any cool facts about other kings? Compare it to your own schooling before getting all statistical ? Have you ever studied about culinary preferences of any kings in school texts in social studies? Showing Babar as a "Indian" fish-loving king humanizes him and glossify over the atrocities he represented in demolishing Ram Temple. This is a clear strategy since the 80s. To show Moghuls as indigenous to India. They were outwardly looking, Persian language loving and serviant to Turkish/Persian caliphate allegiance people. They should not represent India and our kids shouldn't be studying about them as our own. 52 minutes ago, BacktoCricaddict said: Aurangzeb was a vegetarian? The only animals he mercilessly killed belonged to the species Homo sapiens. What a joke! Are they trying to humanize this devil? Vegetarianism is a noble virtue especially for Indians (UCs) and Jains. Any King shown as vegetarian will be hailed as a great guy. Hence the association with Aurangzeb. As if we didn't know that and people are surprised about this fact! raki05 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Global.Baba Posted April 7, 2021 Share Posted April 7, 2021 Most history text books go from Aryan invasion to porus losing to Alexander to the golden age of the Mughals to arrival of Vasco mamaji to British empire,Gandhi,Nehru etc Footnotes sprinkled in for Vijaynagara empire,Marathas,Ranjit Singh etc. No mention of how Cholas and Tamil kings help propagate hinduism to south east Asia or all the other glorious kingdoms across India. No dedicated chapter on Chanakya’s contribution or Charaka’s contribution to medicine etc. sure there is a reference to converts like Tansen etc. At least those history books did mention aryabhatta and his 0 and if they didn’t Manoj kumar did so we are hanging on to that till date. coffee_rules, dial_100 and raki05 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EnterTheVoid Posted April 7, 2021 Share Posted April 7, 2021 We can start by not referring to Auragazeb as "Alamgir". Even by the standard of barbarians, he was exceptionally cruel. Also, not having ideas like celebrating Tipu Jayanti. Seriously, WTF were they thinking? coffee_rules and diga 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BacktoCricaddict Posted April 8, 2021 Share Posted April 8, 2021 7 hours ago, coffee_rules said: Compare it to your own schooling before getting all statistical ? Have you ever studied about culinary preferences of any kings in school texts in social studies? Maybe you should be asking for the whole book so you have better context before making bias claims. Maybe talking about culinary preferences of every king there was is a new way to show these kings in a new light. It may be trivial and unimportant, but if they are also discussing Rana Pratap's and Prithviraj Chauhan's and Krishnadevaraya's favorite foods, then the bias claim is invalid. Vegetarianism is a noble virtue especially for Indians (UCs) and Jains. Any King shown as vegetarian will be hailed as a great guy. Hence the association with Aurangzeb. As if we didn't know that and people are surprised about this fact! It was a rhetorical question. Of course they were trying to humanize the devil Aurangzeb. It is obvious. Like people do with Hitler - he killed millions but was a vegetarian and teetotaler - pure fellow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coffee_rules Posted April 8, 2021 Author Share Posted April 8, 2021 (edited) @BacktoCricaddict I have gone through the books when my kids studied in Indian schools from 2014-17, when I recently lived in Bengaluru. These books talk more about Moghuls and there is no mention of what Prithviraj Chauhan had for breakfast type of articles. But there is one chapter dedicated for each Moghul king. Each Moghul King had court historians who would record what they ate each night in Baburnama, Akbarnama and hence they get all these sundry details Edited April 8, 2021 by coffee_rules BacktoCricaddict, dial_100 and raki05 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
someone Posted April 8, 2021 Share Posted April 8, 2021 58 minutes ago, coffee_rules said: @BacktoCricaddict I have gone through the books when my kids studied in Indian schools from 2014-17, when I recently lived in Bengaluru. These books talk more about Moghuls and there is no mention of what Prithviraj Chauhan had for breakfast type of articles. But there is one chapter dedicated for each Moghul king. Each Moghul King had court historians who would record what they ate each night in Baburnama, Akbarnama and hence they get all these sundry details there was the Prithviraj Chauhan series on TV, and they also kept his adulthood and actual fight part, short and quick. Similarly, now there is Ahilyabai , popular show on Sony TV. They are extensively lengthening and making up stories about her childhood drama. But will wrap up series quickly on the actual main part about her fight against invaders or of the safeguarding of temples. coffee_rules 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khota Posted April 8, 2021 Share Posted April 8, 2021 10 hours ago, Mariyam said: Does being a vegetarian humanize a person? No. I think Hitler never drank and perhaps was a vegetarian. Mariyam 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coffee_rules Posted November 4, 2021 Author Share Posted November 4, 2021 Negation of Islamic atrocities and normalization of destruction of temples. Human chain to protect temples was not invented in Bengaluru riots. Arabs did it when Mahmud Ghazni destroyed the Somnath temple, as per our eminent historians bharathh and diga 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stradlater Posted November 4, 2021 Share Posted November 4, 2021 4 hours ago, coffee_rules said: Negation of Islamic atrocities and normalization of destruction of temples. Human chain to protect temples was not invented in Bengaluru riots. Arabs did it when Mahmud Ghazni destroyed the Somnath temple, as per our eminent historians Nonsense. Infact the first attack on Somnath occured under Arabs. The temple was later reconstructed by Pratihar Rajputs. coffee_rules 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trichromatic Posted November 4, 2021 Share Posted November 4, 2021 4 hours ago, coffee_rules said: Negation of Islamic atrocities and normalization of destruction of temples. Human chain to protect temples was not invented in Bengaluru riots. Arabs did it when Mahmud Ghazni destroyed the Somnath temple, as per our eminent historians Biggest failure of BJP govt. 7 years and did nothing. Maybe not important for Modi-Shah as it doesn't impact elections. Yoda-esque 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lone Wolf Posted November 4, 2021 Share Posted November 4, 2021 On Thu Apr 08 2021 at 7:24 AM, someone said: there was the Prithviraj Chauhan series on TV, and they also kept his adulthood and actual fight part, short and quick. Similarly, now there is Ahilyabai , popular show on Sony TV. They are extensively lengthening and making up stories about her childhood drama. But will wrap up series quickly on the actual main part about her fight against invaders or of the safeguarding of temples. Actually these TV serials sometimes end up Glorifying these losers... Jaichand is an commie/Marxist attempt to malign Rajput community & sadly everyone fell for it. He was actually the most Powerful King in North India not Prithvi raj & almost Defeated Ghori in the battle of Chandwar... Ghori had massive luck on his side to escape defeat... Whereas Prithviraj was comfortably routed by a smaller army.. And he was most careless of the lot. His bard ultimately had to write some poems to save his dignity otherwise the foolishness he displayed is only matched by Raja Dahir of Sindh. These two Kings are the prime reasons of Muslim conquest in North & Central India. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yoda-esque Posted November 4, 2021 Share Posted November 4, 2021 Durbari historians are but vestiges of the Mughal and British era.High time they are kicked out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trichromatic Posted November 4, 2021 Share Posted November 4, 2021 1 hour ago, Yoda-esque said: Durbari historians are but vestiges of the Mughal and British era. High time they are kicked out. By whom? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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