Ankit_sharma03 Posted March 12, 2021 Share Posted March 12, 2021 Our batsman have never like two pace wkts and they arent even good for t20 cricket. Now i fully expect us to make a turner to win series which wont help in long run. As that turner plan will become our backup plan which we may implement in Wc also but on a given day anything can happen like in 2016 Wc when NZ screwed us on a turner. Pitches in Wc wud be under Icc so it wud be mostly patta so prepare acc to them. Its also just not this year next yr wud also be t20 Wc in Australia and those wkts are true pattas as well. So dnt prepare such wkts this wont help us as will end up selecting batting for such wkts on pattas and end up falling short most days G_B_ 1 Link to comment
Jay Posted March 12, 2021 Share Posted March 12, 2021 24 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said: Our batsman have never like two pace wkts and they arent even good for t20 cricket. Now i fully expect us to make a turner to win series which wont help in long run. As that turner plan will become our backup plan which we may implement in Wc also but on a given day anything can happen like in 2016 Wc when NZ screwed us on a turner. Pitches in Wc wud be under Icc so it wud be mostly patta so prepare acc to them. Its also just not this year next yr wud also be t20 Wc in Australia and those wkts are true pattas as well. So dnt prepare such wkts this wont help us as will end up selecting batting for such wkts on pattas and end up falling short most days First. Pick the *ing best team. For that to happen, heads need to roll or Kohli needs to quit captaincy. Link to comment
Ankit_sharma03 Posted March 12, 2021 Author Share Posted March 12, 2021 18 minutes ago, Jay said: First. Pick the *ing best team. For that to happen, heads need to roll or Kohli needs to quit captaincy. pick any batsman most of our batsman from last 20-30 yrs have never liked such pitches. Our batsman enjoy true batting wkts rather these 2 pace wkts Link to comment
Jay Posted March 12, 2021 Share Posted March 12, 2021 7 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said: pick any batsman most of our batsman from last 20-30 yrs have never liked such pitches. Our batsman enjoy true batting wkts rather these 2 pace wkts Well there are plenty of better fast bowlers in our setup. Link to comment
sandeep Posted March 12, 2021 Share Posted March 12, 2021 stop looking for secondary reasons and excuses when the fundamental problem is the captaincy and batting tactics. Everything else is a tangent. AuxiliA, Sgattick10 and f20143g70 3 Link to comment
Ankit_sharma03 Posted March 12, 2021 Author Share Posted March 12, 2021 (edited) 8 minutes ago, sandeep said: stop looking for secondary reasons and excuses when the fundamental problem is the captaincy and batting tactics. Everything else is a tangent. This ain an excuse this is actually another problem which will come back to bite us- preparing on wrong surface will lead to wrong selection coz with kohli every player becomes good or bad in a span of 1-2 games . Every strategy becomes good or bad with opposite results in 1-2 games No one is denying captaincy problems - uss problem ka to ab kya hi bole Edited March 12, 2021 by Ankit_sharma03 Link to comment
Ankit_sharma03 Posted March 12, 2021 Author Share Posted March 12, 2021 12 minutes ago, Jay said: Well there are plenty of better fast bowlers in our setup. But batsman will still have to put runs on board Link to comment
Jay Posted March 12, 2021 Share Posted March 12, 2021 4 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said: But batsman will still have to put runs on board True but at least give the youngsters a chance. I have seen sky, Kishan and co do well on such type of pitches. Just need opportunities. Link to comment
bowl_out Posted March 13, 2021 Share Posted March 13, 2021 (edited) Novice question - What is a two paced wicket? Why does it impact our batsmen and not theirs? Roy and Buttler seemed completely unfazed by the pitch or conditions Edited March 13, 2021 by bowl_out Banton and Forward Defence 2 Link to comment
Lone Wolf Posted March 13, 2021 Share Posted March 13, 2021 Actually the pitch was quite good. There was not much turn & it wasn't slowish which our batters don't like. Most of them were beaten for Pace or they didn't had shots to counter it. Also no excuse if you can't hit out Adil Rashid ffs in powerplay. Link to comment
Vickydev Posted March 13, 2021 Share Posted March 13, 2021 It was the only way to limit that gun English batting line up..only thing is we are way worse than them on such pitches. Link to comment
jf1gp_1 Posted March 13, 2021 Share Posted March 13, 2021 Wait... we are cribbing about pitches ?? YCCC and RAZPOR 2 Link to comment
Majestic Posted March 13, 2021 Share Posted March 13, 2021 LoL..so we will do better against England on flat pitches?? Two paced pitches is actually to stop England batsman who are ridiculously dangerous on pattas. But alongside two paced pitches, we also need to win the toss. Link to comment
Forward Defence Posted March 13, 2021 Share Posted March 13, 2021 4 hours ago, bowl_out said: Novice question - What is a two paced wicket? Why does it impact our batsmen and not theirs? Roy and Buttler seemed completely unfazed by the pitch or conditions Good observation. Two paced wickets are a real thing though. A strip where some parts are hard(allowing the ball to skid and bounce) and other parts are relatively softer which offers more grip. The problem with us was we hardly bowled at good pace to extract this advantage whereas they had atleast three guys who were bowling 145+. The extra pace makes the natural variation more pronounced. Our batsmen were missing or failing to time most deliveries which is quite uncharacteristic. express bowling 1 Link to comment
jf1gp_1 Posted March 13, 2021 Share Posted March 13, 2021 6 hours ago, bowl_out said: Novice question - What is a two paced wicket? Why does it impact our batsmen and not theirs? Roy and Buttler seemed completely unfazed by the pitch or conditions That is because (relating to what our captain and every Indian expert spoke about) our team do not skills to score on such track against such a high quality attack Link to comment
kubrickian Posted March 13, 2021 Share Posted March 13, 2021 The pitch was definitely two paced but we need to stop making excuses for pitches. If you are international batsman/bowler, you need to do well on all surfaces. Otherwise, there are others who can take your spot. Link to comment
Serpico Posted March 13, 2021 Share Posted March 13, 2021 8 hours ago, Ankit_sharma03 said: Our batsman have never like two pace wkts and they arent even good for t20 cricket. Now i fully expect us to make a turner to win series which wont help in long run. As that turner plan will become our backup plan which we may implement in Wc also but on a given day anything can happen like in 2016 Wc when NZ screwed us on a turner. Pitches in Wc wud be under Icc so it wud be mostly patta so prepare acc to them. Its also just not this year next yr wud also be t20 Wc in Australia and those wkts are true pattas as well. So dnt prepare such wkts this wont help us as will end up selecting batting for such wkts on pattas and end up falling short most days How do you know pitches under icc will be patta? 2019 wc didn't have pattas like everyone were predicting. Archer, wood have bowled very well and England batted like they always do. Calling it two paced, spin friendly is all just lying to ourselves. Our main batsmen are horribly out of form and our captain has brainworms and will not change anything Link to comment
Serpico Posted March 13, 2021 Share Posted March 13, 2021 29 minutes ago, kubrickian said: The pitch was definitely two paced but we need to stop making excuses for pitches. If you are international batsman/bowler, you need to do well on all surfaces. Otherwise, there are others who can take your spot. Exactly. Just because it's white ball cricket doesn't mean they should be national highways. Early 2000 had pitches like this all the time, if they are good players they should be able to win on them. Otherwise they deserve the failure Link to comment
Ankit_sharma03 Posted March 13, 2021 Author Share Posted March 13, 2021 31 minutes ago, Serpico said: How do you know pitches under icc will be patta? 2019 wc didn't have pattas like everyone were predicting. Its comman sense and even if u see comman nature pitches its mostly flat in india. 31 minutes ago, Serpico said: Archer, wood have bowled very well and England batted like they always do. Calling it two paced, spin friendly is all just lying to ourselves. Our main batsmen are horribly out of form and our captain has brainworms and will not change anything Coz england bats same way on any pitch and they knew the target. Link to comment
express bowling Posted March 13, 2021 Share Posted March 13, 2021 8 hours ago, sandeep said: when the fundamental problem is the captaincy and batting tactics. Everything else is a tangent. Which includes team composition as a major reason for our failure. Filled the team with consolidators and short medium pacers. Link to comment
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