Rahane only has 5 50+ scores in 31 innings in SENA since 2018!

[zen]

34 minutes ago, Texan said:

 

WTC is not relevant you mean?

 

Just look at the august company Pujara is in with your cherry picked stats. Joe Denly, Dom Sibley, Shan Masood.... Looks to me like the worst team of the decade in the making.

 

 

Buddy, this is not a thread on WTC but SENA where fans are proud of great performances in Aus in 2018/9 and 2020/1 ... There is no point in trying to divert the topic ... If you are interested in WTC, below is the SENA stats from it (though not a part of the topic): 

 

In top order:

Primary team India

Opposition team Australia  or England  or New Zealand  or South Africa

Home or away away (home of opposition)

Trophy ICC World Test Championship

Batting position between 1 and 3

Ordered by batting average (descending)

Overall figures

Player	Mat	Inns	NO	Runs	HS	Ave	BF	SR	100	50	0	4s	6s
Shubman Gill	3	6	1	259	91	51.80	427	60.65	0	2	0	36	2
CA Pujara	6	11	0	371	77	33.72	1271	29.18	0	4	0	38	0
RG Sharma	2	4	0	129	52	32.25	270	47.77	0	1	0	15	2
PP Shaw	3	6	0	102	54	17.00	142	71.83	0	1	1	14	1
MA Agarwal	4	8	0	133	58	16.62	301	44.18	0	1	1	16	1
JJ Bumrah	1	1	0	2	2	2.00	17	11.76	0	0	0	0	0

 

 

In the middle order: 

Primary team India

Opposition team Australia  or England  or New Zealand  or South Africa

Home or away away (home of opposition)

Trophy ICC World Test Championship

Batting position between 4 and 7

Ordered by batting average (descending)

Overall figures

Player	Mat	Inns	NO	Runs	HS	Ave	BF	SR	100	50	0	4s	6s
RA Jadeja	2	2	1	85	57	85.00	196	43.36	0	1	0	8	0
RR Pant	5	8	1	330	97	47.14	500	66.00	0	2	0	37	5
Washington Sundar	1	2	0	84	62	42.00	173	48.55	0	1	0	9	2
R Ashwin	1	1	1	39	39*	-	128	30.46	0	0	0	7	0
AM Rahane	6	12	1	359	112	32.63	845	42.48	1	0	1	35	3
MA Agarwal	1	2	0	47	38	23.50	90	52.22	0	0	0	4	1
GH Vihari	5	9	1	158	55	19.75	499	31.66	0	1	0	24	0
V Kohli	3	6	0	116	74	19.33	283	40.98	0	1	0	15	0
WP Saha	1	1	0	9	9	9.00	26	34.61	0	0	0	1	0
UT Yadav	1	1	0	1	1	1.00	12	8.33	0	0	0	0	0
CA Pujara	1	1	0	0	0	0.00	8	0.00	0	0	1	0	0

 

 

Talking about the 3 experienced batsmen in WTC in SENA:

 

• Pujara has 4 50+ scores in 11 innings in the difficult top order ... including 3 50s in 4 innings at SCG and Gabba 
• In the MO, Kohli has 1 in 6 innings and Rahane has only 1 50+ score in 12 innings

 

 

Thank you for bringing this point as now we can see how Pujara has done well in WTC in tough SENA, where experienced players - Rahane has only 1 50+ score in 12 innings and Kohli has 1 in 6

 

 

 

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I have seen your threads and the only common thread among all your threads is to cherry pick stats to somehow make Pujara seem like a tiger when his records suggest a cat.

 

So? I am trying to lead the blind 

Edited June 24, 2021 by zen

[Texan]

You want SENA stats? I got some SENA stats for you too. Let's take the last 2 years of performances to gauge what their recent form in SENA looks like. Pujara, Rahane, Kohli are all pathetic when we use this yardstick. 

 

https://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/stats/index.html?class=1;filter=advanced;host=1;host=2;host=3;host=5;orderby=batting_average;spanmax1=24+Jun+2021;spanmin1=24+Jun+2019;spanval1=span;team=6;template=results;trophy=804;type=batting

 

 

[zen]

8 minutes ago, Texan said:

You want SENA stats? I got some SENA stats for you too. Let's take the last 2 years of performances to gauge what their recent form in SENA looks like. Pujara, Rahane, Kohli are all pathetic when we use this yardstick. 

 

https://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/stats/index.html?class=1;filter=advanced;host=1;host=2;host=3;host=5;orderby=batting_average;spanmax1=24+Jun+2021;spanmin1=24+Jun+2019;spanval1=span;team=6;template=results;trophy=804;type=batting

 

 

 

Already discussed in the my last post above 

Edited June 24, 2021 by zen

[Texan]

8 minutes ago, zen said:

 

Already discussed in the my last post above 

 

Your SENA stats in the post above suggest that Pujara is pathetic despite getting to play all Tests and focusing his career only on the long form of the game.

 

Also, your cherry picked stats suggest that the best batsmen in SENA after Pujara are Dom Sibley, Joe Denly and Shan Masood. Do you really believe that? So if you were to pick a World XI today to play a Test in SENA, would this be your top order?

 

Sibley

Masood/Denly

Pujara

 

Surely, World beaters! 

[zen]

5 minutes ago, Texan said:

 

Your SENA stats in the post above suggest that Pujara is pathetic despite getting to play all Tests and focusing his career only on the long form of the game.

 

Also, your cherry picked stats suggest that the best batsmen in SENA after Pujara are Dom Sibley, Joe Denly and Shan Masood. Do you really believe that? So if you were to pick a World XI today to play a Test in SENA, would this be your top order?

 

Sibley

Masood/Denly

Pujara

 

Surely, World beaters! 

 

We are just looking at the recent numbers ... don't burn your house because Pujara is doing well (even in WTC in SENA) 

 

 

 

Edited June 24, 2021 by zen

[Texan]

1 minute ago, zen said:

 

We are just looking at the recent numbers ... don't burn your mouth because Pujara is doing well 

 

Run along ...

 

 

 

LOL, now you cannot even stand up and back the cherry picked stats that you only posted. What a contradiction! Haha! Why don't you go ahead and claim that Pujara, Sibley, Denly and Masood are the best top order SENA players currently? That is what your stats are suggesting right?

[RedFever]

Zen trying his level best to make his case for Pujara. Looks like Pujara is done, as per Kohli.

 

https://www.timesnownews.com/sports/cricket/article/virat-kohli-hints-at-changes-in-indian-test-team-after-wtc-final-loss-will-bring-in-people-with-right-mindset/775425

 

The Indian captain also highlighted the importance of having positive intent as a batsman while facing a formidable pace attack like New Zealand in away conditions. He called for the batsmen to be braver in dealing with the quality bowlers and not let the game slip away.

“We definitely need to work out better plans on understanding how to score runs. We have to stay in sync with the momentum of the game and not let the game drift away too much. I don’t think there are any technical difficulties as such,” said Kohli.

[zen]

1 minute ago, Texan said:

 

LOL, now you cannot even stand up and back the cherry picked stats that you only posted. What a contradiction! Haha! Why don't you go ahead and claim that Pujara, Sibley, Denly and Masood are the best top order SENA players currently? That is what your stats are suggesting right?

 

"read" the post where you saw the stats and what is highlighted 

[Texan]

4 minutes ago, zen said:

 

"read" the post where you saw the stats and what is highlighted 

I have read the posts, and they do not answer any of my questions. Clearly you don't appear to have any answers to them and your cherry picking of stats to show a biased viewpoint stands exposed. 

[zen]

32 minutes ago, Texan said:

I have read the posts, and they do not answer any of my questions. Clearly you don't appear to have any answers to them and your cherry picking of stats to show a biased viewpoint stands exposed. 

 

If you think I am biased, I think you are biased against Pujara too, so that cancels out (it is just that I prefer to focus on post rather than write such things) ... I can't be expected to respond to such childishness comments  

 

Anyways, will write in good faith

 

You do not have questions but logical fallacies (a typical subcon fan tactic) ... Using logic, you have answered your own question, when you tried to show that Pujara is not doing well (when he is even in WTC in SENA) using stats. By the same token, if someone is doing well, shouldn't he be considered? If not, why are you posting the stats in the first place?  There is no point in trying to undermine players of other countries who have performed well in SENA

 

Pick whoever you like ... Below is my top 6 of a current 11: Pujara, Conway (wild card), Williamson (career record), Smith, Root and Pant (probably will pick him as the keeper) ... Most of the batsmen are on the stats list among the top. Conway is the new player because I like the way he plays so will give him a shot, while Williamson, an experienced player, gets an opportunity for his career record   

Edited June 24, 2021 by zen

[Texan]

2 minutes ago, zen said:

 

If you think I am biased, I think you are biased against Pujara too, so that cancels out (it is just that I prefer to focus on post rather than write such things) ... I can be expected to respond to such childishness comments  

 

You do not have a question but a typical use of logical fallacies  ... Using logic, you have answered your question yourself, when you tried to show that Pujara is not doing well (when he is even in WTC in SENA) using stats. By the same token, if someone is doing well, shouldn't he be considered? If not why are you posting the stats in the first place?  There is no point in trying to undermine players of other countries who have performed well in SENA

 

Pick whoever you like ... Below is my top 6 of a current 11: Pujara, Conway (wild card), Williamson, Smith, Root and Pant (probably as keeper) ... Most of the batsmen are on the stats list. Conway is the new player, while Williamson gets an opportunity for his career record  

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Pretty much majority of the posters here are saying that Pujara's performances have been poor of late. Ek tu hi idhar gyani hai, baaki sab andhe hai. I didn't get which part of my post you found childish, but since you did not have any counter argument, it appears that was your defense mechanism.

 

And why are you picking a top 6 that contradicts the stats that you only posted in this post? According to those, your top 3 should consist of at least 3 out of Denly, Sibley, Masood and Pujara. If you did not have any conviction in the stats that you are presenting, then why post them?

 

 

[zen]

51 minutes ago, Texan said:

 

Pretty much majority of the posters here are saying that Pujara's performances have been poor of late. Ek tu hi idhar gyani hai, baaki sab andhe hai.

 

 

This topic is on SENA, a tough place for Indian batsmen ... It is looking at relatively long term position ... and Pujara has done well there batting in the top order including in WTC SENA ... what you call the "majority" has been writing such thing since years even before 2018 and posting random stuff like you did on this thread 

 

 

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And why are you picking a top 6 that contradicts the stats that you only posted in this post? According to those, your top 3 should consist of at least 3 out of Denly, Sibley, Masood and Pujara. If you did not have any conviction in the stats that you are presenting, then why post them?

 

Already answered that including suggesting that you answered it yourself ... there is no contradiction as I never said I would not consider them in SENA over the highlighted top order Ind batsman on the list   ... let's not use logical fallacies 

 

 

PS

 

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I didn't get which part of my post you found childish, but since you did not have any counter argument, it appears that was your defense mechanism.

 

Well it is not that difficult to understand what I found childish -  "If you think I am biased, I think you are biased against Pujara too, so that cancels out (it is just that I prefer to focus on post rather than write such things) ... I can't be expected to respond to such childishness comment" 

 

Let's use some brains (such things should not be spoon fed)  

 

 

Edited June 24, 2021 by zen

[Ankit_sharma03]

5 hours ago, BacktoCricaddict said:

Three things working in Rahane's favor at this moment:

 

(1) Captained the team during its most memorable 3-test streak, ever.

(2) The knock at MCG, which started the streak.

(3) The top-score in the first innings of WTC when the team really needed it.  He threw it away and others frittered away the advantage later on, but he did a good job for a while.

 

 

 

Captaincy value n better fitness then pujara works in his favour

[Gambit]

The level of hero worshipping by zen for someone who is not even an ATG is hilarious. This kind of hero worship will not take Indian cricket anywhere.

 

Reminds me of the guy who worshipped Robin Uthappa here to the extent we thought it was Robin himself posting.

[R!TTER]

23 minutes ago, Gambit said:

Robin himself posting

Robin posted on ICF 

[Trichromatic]

1 hour ago, Gambit said:

The level of hero worshipping by zen for someone who is not even an ATG is hilarious. This kind of hero worship will not take Indian cricket anywhere.

 

Reminds me of the guy who worshipped Robin Uthappa here to the extent we thought it was Robin himself posting.

 

Even @zen could be a common friend of Pujara and Pandya.

[Frustrated]

56 minutes ago, Gambit said:

The level of hero worshipping by zen for someone who is not even an ATG is hilarious. This kind of hero worship will not take Indian cricket anywhere.

 

Reminds me of the guy who worshipped Robin Uthappa here to the extent we thought it was Robin himself posting.

I don't think Pujara rates himself that high either.  U can tell from his body language. Someone hero worshipping him does not even look funny anymore.

[Lord]

For a fair assessment,we must include WI. Similar conditions and Roach/Gabriel/Holder is a very good attack in these conditions

 

This is their career record (Start date is debut of earliest of Kohli/Rahane/Pujara's debut)

 

https://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/stats/index.html?class=1;filter=advanced;home_or_away=2;home_or_away=3;opposition=1;opposition=2;opposition=3;opposition=4;opposition=5;orderby=batting_average;qualmin2=1000;qualval2=runs;spanmin1=09+Oct+2010;spanval1=span;team=6;template=results;type=batting

 

This is since Jan 2018 (OP's date)

 

https://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/stats/index.html?class=1;filter=advanced;home_or_away=2;home_or_away=3;opposition=1;opposition=2;opposition=3;opposition=4;opposition=5;orderby=runs;spanmin1=1+Jan+2018;spanval1=span;team=6;template=results;type=batting

 

Pujara actually has done better recently owing to two mammoth series in Aus.

 

But apart from Kohli, all the numbers are decent at best

[The Realist]

6 hours ago, Gambit said:

The level of hero worshipping by zen for someone who is not even an ATG is hilarious. This kind of hero worship will not take Indian cricket anywhere.

 

Reminds me of the guy who worshipped Robin Uthappa here to the extent we thought it was Robin himself posting.

 

@skindia was a legend, backed Uthappa to the hilt and gave Dhoni abuse for picking his favourites.

 

Am concerned if anybody hero worships Pujara. Selfish player who only plays for himself and does not think about the team and match situation.

 

Would rather eat balls than score runs. Single-handedly trampling on the dying corpse of test cricket. 

[zen]

9 hours ago, Gambit said:

The level of hero worshipping by zen for someone who is not even an ATG is hilarious. This kind of hero worship will not take Indian cricket anywhere.

 

Reminds me of the guy who worshipped Robin Uthappa here to the extent we thought it was Robin himself posting.

I support good players esp. test specialists like Pujara, who is among the last breed of test batsman playing classic cricket … And Pujara is an Ind ATG 

Good to see him win Ind two back to back series in Aus, something that has not happened before in Ind history