What's the role of consolidators in modern day LOIs?

[prudent_kreeda]

35 minutes ago, vvvslaxman said:

Pant for some reason has underachieved in T20.  He has too many dinky shots at his disposal. He tries to over use them and complicate things in T20. West Indian style approach is the best. straight and long. No need of paddle scoops.

 

For me  2 guys who should be in are Shaw & SKY in T20 Team on priority .  Ishaan will be 3rd in Queue, 

 

[CodeOfWisden]

Sehwag was ahead of his time, he played at a strike rate of 104 in that era, now that's really terrifying, he would be a top draw if he played lois in this era, sadly in his time, he wasn't really referred as a great LOI batsman. 

[Suhaan]

This wc will decide whether we keep playing these 3 together or not?

At best one of them should be in t20 xi

[New guy]

At best team can have only 1 consolidator batsman  in cricket, just like they should have just one line and length run saving bowler. No team can afford more than one of either. 

[zen]

Have been saying similar things before the 2019 WC. Ind lacks proactiveness. It is as it has to wait for the doors to shut to open a new one. 

Edited July 18, 2021 by zen

[New guy]

3 minutes ago, zen said:

Having been saying similar things before the 2019 WC. Ind lacks proactiveness. It is as it has to wait for the doors to shut to open a new one. 

I think approach will change with change of captain. It will be like DRS, we were last to adopt but it's inevitable. Once Dhoni and Sachin went we adopted DRS whole heartedly

 

We have a slew of young aggressive talent coming up and public demands/loves their aggressive approach. Sooner or later we will change our approach and play like England with a new captain and young aggressive players. 

Edited July 18, 2021 by New guy

[express bowling]

What is the role of consolidators in modern day LOIs ?

 

1)  To see to it that bilateral LOI series achieve results like 3-2 or 2-3 instead of 5-0 in our favour. The 4th and 5th matches are kept relevant this way.

 

2)  To see to it that Stars with padded stats are created ... who are then used for ads.

 

3)  Aren't we supposed to love personal centuries more than team wins !!

 

 

 

 

[SK_IH]

13 hours ago, Trichromatic said:

When conditions are difficult, consolidators like Rohit, Dhawan and Kohli return back to pavilion in 6 overs any way.

Lol I didn't read this yesterday, absolute gold ROFL 

[New guy]

8 hours ago, New guy said:

At best team can have only 1 consolidator batsman  in cricket, just like they should have just one line and length run saving bowler. No team can afford more than one of either. 

And to add to that, the consolidator should be of the quality of Williamson, kohli etc and not below them like Pandey or even like dhawan 

[nevada]

13 hours ago, vvvslaxman said:

Pant for some reason has underachieved in T20.  He has too many dinky shots at his disposal. He tries to over use them and complicate things in T20. West Indian style approach is the best. straight and long. No need of paddle scoops.

Of late he has become circumspect in T20. He used to be dynamite in the IPL 2-3 years ago. 

[nevada]

12 hours ago, CodeOfWisden said:

Sehwag was ahead of his time, he played at a strike rate of 104 in that era, now that's really terrifying, he would be a top draw if he played lois in this era, sadly in his time, he wasn't really referred as a great LOI batsman. 

That's because of his sub 30s average which paled in comparison to his near 50 average in tests at very high scoring rate. Plus he was inconsistent in LOIs.

[CodeOfWisden]

2 hours ago, express bowling said:

What is the role of consolidators in modern day LOIs ?

 

1)  To see to it that bilateral LOI series achieve results like 3-2 or 2-3 instead of 5-0 in our favour. The 4th and 5th matches are kept relevant this way.

 

2)  To see to it that Stars with padded stats are created ... who are then used for ads.

 

3)  Aren't we supposed to love personal centuries more than team wins !!

 

 

 

 

The role of consolidators became obsolete after world cup 19 but before it they were doing fine. 

[Sgattick10]

I'd have Rohit as Captain..

Shaw

Kishan/Padikkal

Kohli

Sharma

SKY

Pant

H Pandya

Shardul

R Chahar

Siraj

Bhumrah

 

 

[Sgattick10]

Lol last night in sports yaari vdo some viewer commented our team can never play in such bashing mode almost burying the opposition like England does cos we dont have the fire power..the guys on the panel were like no no our team is equally good and has power hitters just like Eng infact ours is a better T20 team then theirs 

 

Edited July 19, 2021 by Sgattick10

[Jay]

You know how our chewts oldies couldn't muster the courage to chase down 239 odd vs Kiwis in 2019???

Thats what consolidators are for. In the event of a low scoring chase under 260 odd, you need all your consolidators to contribute efficiently. 

[Jay]

17 hours ago, Trichromatic said:

When conditions are difficult, consolidators like Rohit, Dhawan and Kohli return back to pavilion in 6 overs any way.

 

CT 2017, WC SF v NZ.

 

When conditions are flat, FTBs can blast right from start to end.

Ko stages are different bud. That's why 2011 chase vs Lanka was special. I believe that was the highest chase in a fina of icc??

 

Besides even including semis and quarters, I have never seen a team chase 280 plus successfully. Maybe on a very very rare occasion. People don't realise how difficult it is to chase when you are under scoreboard pressure. 

[QuarantineTormentino]

IMO 1-2 Consolidators are required on really tough pitches where stroke making proves to be difficult... otherwise it should be blasters all the way. However, having said that, if a teams lower order has pathetic batting capabilities, Have to go with consolidators every game for cover, at least in ODIs

Edited July 19, 2021 by QuarantineTormentino

[Ankit_sharma03]

It works for a side like WI who has hope doing this job

For eng Root does this job

 

But thats it only one player that to in ODIs only

 

Here we have 4 

 

• Rohit who bats like anchor for 25 overs
• Kohli who bats like that till 45th over
• Dhawan who bats like that from 10-40th over
• KL who bats like that until 40th over start

 

Whats worse is Rohit, KL, Kohli are way higher quality then hope n root in white ball cricket. Their have the game but its the intent that goes missing for a major portion of innings. Rohit still im fine with coz he still has half an innings left and can go absolute bonker even ahead then who are hitting from ball 1. 

 

We have to get rid of one and others have to improve in areas where they go into survival mode, their cant be any survival mode on feather beds

[prudent_kreeda]

10 hours ago, SK_IH said:

Lol I didn't read this yesterday, absolute gold ROFL 

 

 Same line was pushed by many experts to include Rahane in short format 

 AND 

Big PR army was hyping consolidator game of MSD in winning games  in his last 2-3 years of career !

[Trichromatic]

Same story. When you needed consolidators (Dhawan and Pandey) they left team cheaply.

 

They were happy to play in shadow of attacking batsmen who made it easy.