SujitPrakash Posted July 28, 2021 Posted July 28, 2021 Women in India have marched over their right to choose what kind of clothes they wear. Reports of girls and young women being brutally assaulted by family members have recently made headlines in India. The incidents have also put the spotlight on how unsafe girls and women are within their own homes. Last week, 17-year-old Neha Paswan was allegedly beaten to death by members of her extended family in the northern state of Uttar Pradesh because they didn't like her wearing jeans. Her mother, Shakuntala Devi Paswan, told BBC Hindi that the teenager had been severely beaten with sticks by her grandfather and uncles after an argument over her clothes at their home in Savreji Kharg village in Deoria district, one of the least developed regions in the state. "She had kept a day-long religious fast. In the evening, she put on a pair of jeans and a top and performed her rituals. When her grandparents objected to her attire, Neha retorted that jeans were made to be worn and that she would wear it," her mother said. The argument escalated, resulting in the violence, she claims. Shakuntala Devi said as her daughter lay unconscious, her in-laws called an autorickshaw and said they were taking her to hospital. "They wouldn't let me accompany them so I alerted my relatives who went to the district hospital looking for her but couldn't find her." The next morning, Shakuntala Devi said, they heard that the body of a girl was hanging from the bridge over the Gandak river that flows through the region. When they went to investigate, they discovered it was Neha's. Police have lodged a case of murder and destruction of evidence against 10 people, including Neha's grandparents, uncles, aunts, cousins and the auto driver. The accused have yet to make any public statement. Shakuntala Devi (right) is still trying to make sense of why her daughter has been killed Senior police official Shriyash Tripathi told BBC Hindi that four people, including the grandparents, an uncle and the auto driver, had been arrested and were being questioned. He said police were looking for the remaining accused. Neha's father Amarnath Paswan, who works as a day labourer on construction sites in Ludhiana, a town in Punjab, and had returned home to deal with the tragedy said he had worked hard to send his children, including Neha, to school. Shakuntala Devi said their daughter wanted to be a police officer, but "her dreams would never be realised now". She alleged that her in-laws were putting pressure on Neha to leave her studies in a local school and often chided her for wearing anything other than traditional Indian clothing. Why India is talking about ripped jeans and knees Neha liked to dress up in modern outfits - two of the photographs her family shared with the BBC showed her wearing a long dress in one and a pair of jeans and a jacket in another. Campaigners say violence against women and girls within homes in a society steeped in patriarchy is deeply embedded and is often sanctioned by family elders. Girls and women in India face serious threats - from being at the risk of foeticide even before they are born because of the preference for sons - to discrimination and neglect. Domestic violence is rampant and on average, 20 women are killed every day for bringing in insufficient dowries. Denim is the choice of clothing for many young Indians but conservative communities bar girls from wearing them Women and girls in small town and rural India live under severe restrictions with village heads or family patriarchs often dictating what they wear, where they go or who they talk to, and any perceived misstep is considered a provocation and must be punished. No wonder then that the alleged assault of Neha for her choice of clothing is just one among a number of brutal attacks reported on girls and young women by their family members that have recently shocked India. Last month, a gut-wrenching video that emerged from Alirajpur district in the neighbouring state of Madhya Pradesh showed a 20-year-old tribal woman being beaten by her father and three male cousins. Following outrage, police lodged a complaint against the men and said she was being "punished" for running away from her "abusive" marital home. A week before the incident, reports said two girls were mercilessly beaten up by their family members for talking on the phone with a male cousin in the neighbouring district of Dhar. Videos of the incident showed one of the girls being dragged by her hair, thrown to the ground, kicked and punched and beaten with sticks and wood planks by her parents, brothers and cousins. After the video went viral, police arrested seven people. A similar incident - that also took place last month - has been reported from the state of Gujarat where two teenagers were beaten by at least 15 men, including relatives, for talking on mobile phones, police said. Gender activist Rolly Shivhare says "it's shocking that in the 21st Century, we are killing and assaulting girls for wearing jeans or talking on a mobile phone". Patriarchy, she says, is "among the biggest problems in India" and points out that politicians, leaders and influencers often make misogynistic comments that set a bad example and the message of gender equality doesn't filter down to the community and family. "The government says girls are our priority and announces grand schemes for their welfare, but nothing happens on the ground," Ms Shivhare says. In the West, a child or a woman who's at risk within their homes can be moved to a shelter or put in foster care. "The shelter homes and crisis centres in India are few and most are so badly run that no-one would want to go live there. Our government needs to allocate more funds and improve their condition," Ms Shivhare says. "But the only long-term solution is to make girls more aware of their rights." Reporting from Deoria by Rajesh Kumar Arya, BBC Hindi https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-57968350 Indwin and beetle 2
kepler37b Posted July 28, 2021 Posted July 28, 2021 Oh yes. Take one event and pass the judgement. And whats empowering in following a dumb consumerist trend? Indwin, SujitPrakash, beetle and 3 others 1 5
speedheat Posted August 1, 2021 Posted August 1, 2021 Had this incident occurred in any non BJP state bhakts and godi media would have ran amok. Lord and Austin 3:!6 1 1
beetle Posted August 1, 2021 Posted August 1, 2021 Violence ,abuse by family / elders is unfortunately ingrained in our society. Patriarchy and unquestioned obedience to elders is forced on the younger generation. The family and elders claim ownership of the younger generation with no space for individuality. Disgusting !! SujitPrakash and Mariyam 2
Mariyam Posted August 1, 2021 Posted August 1, 2021 On 7/28/2021 at 6:49 PM, kepler37b said: Oh yes. Take one event and pass the judgement. And whats empowering in following a dumb consumerist trend? Why is this about empowerment? beetle 1
dial_100 Posted August 1, 2021 Posted August 1, 2021 These things are changing in India but the archaic beliefs havent completely refined into more modern values yet. India does not want to lose its tradition and cultural values while adopting more modern values that can assimilate easily in the culture. UP, Bihar, MP and few such states have long way to go and these incidences should not be condoned or trivialized in anyway. beetle and GoldenSun 2
beetle Posted August 2, 2021 Posted August 2, 2021 6 hours ago, dial_100 said: These things are changing in India but the archaic beliefs havent completely refined into more modern values yet. India does not want to lose its tradition and cultural values while adopting more modern values that can assimilate easily in the culture. UP, Bihar, MP and few such states have long way to go and these incidences should not be condoned or trivialized in anyway. This is more about the right and need to control . Hitting girls with rods was never a part of tradition and culture. The need to control the action, thinking and lifestyle of people in family and people in the surrounding is the tradition and culture. dial_100 1
dial_100 Posted August 2, 2021 Posted August 2, 2021 34 minutes ago, beetle said: This is more about the right and need to control . Hitting girls with rods was never a part of tradition and culture. The need to control the action, thinking and lifestyle of people in family and people in the surrounding is the tradition and culture. Animals. poor child.
EnterTheVoid Posted August 2, 2021 Posted August 2, 2021 How can anyone bring themselves to lift a hand on girls/women? Absolute low lives.
Mariyam Posted August 2, 2021 Posted August 2, 2021 (edited) On 7/28/2021 at 6:49 PM, kepler37b said: Oh yes. Take one event and pass the judgement. And whats empowering in following a dumb consumerist trend? I find this response quite strange. That you focus on the 'judgement' online and not on the actual crime. For one, putting on a pair of jeans is not a dumb consumerist trend. But lets assume that it is. The response to 'dumbness' can't be murder. Every person should make their own dumb mistakes. And learn. While the OP is a low level troll, the topic posted has merit. Large swathes of India take it for granted that the woman is to be controlled. When you are in that position of privilege and societal dominance for so long, even the talk of equality by those at the receiving end, can feel oppressive. Edited August 2, 2021 by Mariyam Vickydev, EnterTheVoid and beetle 2 1
Real McCoy Posted August 2, 2021 Posted August 2, 2021 Any other news outlets reporting this preferably Indian ones?
Real McCoy Posted August 2, 2021 Posted August 2, 2021 8 hours ago, Mariyam said: I find this response quite strange. That you focus on the 'judgement' online and not on the actual crime. For one, putting on a pair of jeans is not a dumb consumerist trend. But lets assume that it is. The response to 'dumbness' can't be murder. Every person should make their own dumb mistakes. And learn. While the OP is a low level troll, the topic posted has merit. Large swathes of India take it for granted that the woman is to be controlled. When you are in that position of privilege and societal dominance for so long, even the talk of equality by those at the receiving end, can feel oppressive. Lets take the most backward part of India. Do you really think those oppressive societies will allow girls to wear anything they didn't buy. You know the child didn't have any money of her own. So a girl growing up in such places are made to wear what's given to them. And even if she somehow found a jeans pair, do you really think they would kill their own. I find this news story a bit strange
I6MTW Posted August 2, 2021 Posted August 2, 2021 3 minutes ago, Real McCoy said: Lets take the most backward part of India. Do you really think those oppressive societies will allow girls to wear anything they didn't buy. You know the child didn't have any money of her own. So a girl growing up in such places are made to wear what's given to them. And even if she somehow found a jeans pair, do you really think they would kill their own. I find this news story a bit strange Normally it wouldn't happen, but there are crazy people in this world. Stranger things have happened. Anything under the sun is possible. People have killed for far less, be it man or woman. beetle 1
Real McCoy Posted August 2, 2021 Posted August 2, 2021 15 minutes ago, I6MTW said: Normally it wouldn't happen, but there are crazy people in this world. Stranger things have happened. Anything under the sun is possible. People have killed for far less, be it man or woman. possible is different. what are the likelihood of this actually happening. and in small towns people are more closer. so if some relative has that tendency, he will be checked by some other relative. I6MTW 1
coffee_rules Posted August 2, 2021 Posted August 2, 2021 (edited) 49 minutes ago, Real McCoy said: Any other news outlets reporting this preferably Indian ones? https://indianexpress.com/article/cities/lucknow/teenage-girl-thrashed-jeans-police-7417346/ https://www.thehindu.com/news/national/other-states/up-girl-dies-after-thrashed-over-insistence-on-wearing-jeans/article35479312.ece Quote Police, however, said the story of family members being angry over her insistence on wearing jeans was not very convincing. The reason for the incident appeared to be something else, which the family members were trying to hide and investigations were on, the police said. Maybe you are on to something! They are also reporting that she argued that she wanted to go to school and become a police officer. That seems more plausible reason for the reason rather than jeans Edited August 2, 2021 by coffee_rules Real McCoy 1
Real McCoy Posted August 2, 2021 Posted August 2, 2021 25 minutes ago, coffee_rules said: https://indianexpress.com/article/cities/lucknow/teenage-girl-thrashed-jeans-police-7417346/ https://www.thehindu.com/news/national/other-states/up-girl-dies-after-thrashed-over-insistence-on-wearing-jeans/article35479312.ece Maybe you are on to something! Can you notice the way these outlets reported the news and the way BBC did its campaigning. The local news is more matter of fact. BBC ran a story about how evil India is That's why I asked for a different news outlets preferably local. According to BBC and CNN, Chennai will be the first city to go under water. Reading that article, my brother in US called me during the flood to check if this is true. I told him to calm down and that this was just a freak flood event. More fear porn from these international channels like BBC. I don't think even knowledgeable Brits watch BBC no more. CNN is already boycotted by the majority of whites in USA. coffee_rules, I6MTW and Laaloo 3
coffee_rules Posted August 3, 2021 Posted August 3, 2021 21 hours ago, Real McCoy said: Can you notice the way these outlets reported the news and the way BBC did its campaigning. The local news is more matter of fact. BBC ran a story about how evil India is That's why I asked for a different news outlets preferably local. According to BBC and CNN, Chennai will be the first city to go under water. Reading that article, my brother in US called me during the flood to check if this is true. I told him to calm down and that this was just a freak flood event. More fear porn from these international channels like BBC. I don't think even knowledgeable Brits watch BBC no more. CNN is already boycotted by the majority of whites in USA. it is masala news for the west. AtrocityPorn of sorts, click baits for wokies to outrage upon Real McCoy 1
Real McCoy Posted August 3, 2021 Posted August 3, 2021 52 minutes ago, coffee_rules said: it is masala news for the west. AtrocityPorn of sorts, click baits for wokies to outrage upon That's why I don't give much importance to BBC and whoever who follows it. To me, the anglo-american media especially the leftist ones like BBC and CNN are the worst. To my surprise many people in the west who are desi vote left. I don't understand this behavior. Even for their sake in their newly adopted country, its bad since most of them are highly educated and work to earn money. Right is no friend either but left does more harm politically and psychologically.
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