Popular Post Gollum Posted August 3, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted August 3, 2021 (edited) Too much clutter in that pinned thread. So thought I would put this in a separate place for the benefit of ICFers. All eyes will be on wrestling the next few days, unlike archery/shooting/boxing/hockey/weightlifting/javelin, many people don't know much about wrestling including how points are scored, how winners are declared etc. Maybe this will make it easier to follow. There are 2 kinds of wrestling events in Olympics, Greco-Roman and Freestyle. Greco-Roman (GR)=Upper Body, nothing doing below the waist Freestyle=Whole body comes into picture Men have both these disciplines, further divided into weight categories. Women have only Freestyle variant. Indians traditionally don't do well in GR, historically USSR/Russia, Eastern European countries have dominated this sport. Other wrestling powerhouses too have won medals but when you think GR you think Russian (or Soviet) Bear. Freestyle is India's strength, all our Olympic medals in wrestling have come from this variant. From KD Jadhav in Helsinki to Sakshi in Rio. All our wrestlers in Rio are from Freestyle portion, none of our GR wrestlers qualified. Many countries come into the picture in Freestyle: Russia, USA, Japan, Iran, Turkey, India, China, Canada, Cuba, Mongolia, Georgia, Azerbaijan, Central Asian 'stans', Eastern Europe, Scandinavian countries etc. There are other variants like Folkstyle (USA, many matches/content on YouTube, somewhat similar to Freestyle in terms of skills required), Kushti (India), Sumo (Japan), Sambo (Russia, limited striking allowed), Bokh (Mongolia) etc. None of them in Olympics but you can watch Folkstyle videos to get more insights on techniques used in Freestyle. From Olympics pov only GR and Freestyle are important. Both involve takedowns, pins, tech falls, turns, escapes, reversal etc. but vastly different (both disciplines highly specialized), even points scoring is different. Below (two) videos give brief summary, how points are awarded, how to pin, basic rules etc.....just 5 minutes long each. Watch the Freestyle video, GR is optional since most of us will skip matches not involving India. Still to appreciate the sport you can watch both. Some minor differences in actual Olympics (rules keep changing including how many pts to award, nothing major) but they give nice overview. Maybe watch a couple of live matches after this to get a better understanding, that way you can enjoy matches of Indian wrestlers (in action the next few days), 2-3 medal prospects as well. We have 2 bronze medals in wrestling, repechage rule explained HERE Freestyle Greco-Roman Edited August 3, 2021 by Gollum Jay, QuarantineTormentino, New guy and 15 others 16 2 Link to comment
Gollum Posted August 3, 2021 Author Share Posted August 3, 2021 (edited) They wear a funny kind of clothing (both men and women), called singlet, skin-tight ones that too. This is done because loose clothing is extremely dangerous in the sport, if a wrestler's hand gets stuck in some loose T-shirt or shorts good chance of breaking fingers or worse, dismemberment of fingers....because of the forces involved. Even when wrestlers train in shorts they ensure that pockets are cut out, for precisely the same reason, still risks will be there. In ancient Greece they used to wrestle naked, in kushti almost completely naked. Singlet is the only viable alternative. Brutal sport this, broken bones (sometimes jutting out of the skin!!!!), ACL tears, head/neck/spinal injuries are par for course....also physically the toughest sport since unlike boxing, whole body is involved in the tussle against a similarly built athlete, and always in contact. Oldest sport known to mankind as well, finds mention in all civilizations and cultures, at least wrestling in some form. Edited August 3, 2021 by Gollum coffee_rules, Serpico, rollingstoned and 2 others 3 2 Link to comment
Trichromatic Posted August 3, 2021 Share Posted August 3, 2021 Added an article here - Link to comment
coffee_rules Posted August 3, 2021 Share Posted August 3, 2021 Who are the Indian medal prospects to follow? Other than Phogat girls Link to comment
G_B_ Posted August 3, 2021 Share Posted August 3, 2021 I have pinned this as the wrsetling starts and India have some prospects Link to comment
Number Posted August 3, 2021 Share Posted August 3, 2021 42 minutes ago, coffee_rules said: Who are the Indian medal prospects to follow? Other than Phogat girls Bajrang Punia is a medal contender. coffee_rules 1 Link to comment
Gollum Posted August 3, 2021 Author Share Posted August 3, 2021 2 hours ago, coffee_rules said: Who are the Indian medal prospects to follow? Other than Phogat girls Vinesh Phogat and Bajrang Punia are top contenders, decent chance they will reach the finals, at least on paper. Not gold medal favorites IMO. In Bajrang's category there is a beastly Russian and an annoying Japanese, who have got the better of him in the past. And he suffered a knee injury one month back in a prep tournament in Russia, so expect the unknown. But confident of least a bronze from him, if he doesn't medal it will be a shock. Vinesh has a better chance but if she makes it to the final she will meet here nemesis, a Japanese who has easily beaten her 3/3 times in the past, conceding 2 pts in the most recent encounter, other 2 were blowouts where Vinesh couldn't trouble the scorers..still a silver there for the taking. Not seen the draws but I am assuming these 2 aren't set to face their main threats until F, because of their seeding. Ravi Kumar Dahiya and Deepak Punia too have chance to medal. Not much hype around them but definitely follow their bouts. Others aren't really contenders but you never know. This sport has thrown up unexpected winners for India since 2008, repechage (2nd chance) and 2 bronze medals can be a blessing for some of our lower ranked wrestlers. My early prediction is silver for Vinesh, silver or bronze for Bajrang (leaning towards bronze), and a surprise 3rd medal, big chance that will be a bronze. rollingstoned, AuxiliA, randomGuy and 2 others 3 2 Link to comment
coffee_rules Posted August 3, 2021 Share Posted August 3, 2021 Thanks, that is a great intro to follow Gollum 1 Link to comment
Jay Posted August 3, 2021 Share Posted August 3, 2021 1 hour ago, Gollum said: Vinesh Phogat and Bajrang Punia are top contenders, decent chance they will reach the finals, at least on paper. Not gold medal favorites IMO. In Bajrang's category there is a beastly Russian and an annoying Japanese, who have got the better of him in the past. And he suffered a knee injury one month back in a prep tournament in Russia, so expect the unknown. But confident of least a bronze from him, if he doesn't medal it will be a shock. Vinesh has a better chance but if she makes it to the final she will meet here nemesis, a Japanese who has easily beaten her 3/3 times in the past, conceding 2 pts in the most recent encounter, other 2 were blowouts where Vinesh couldn't trouble the scorers..still a silver there for the taking. Not seen the draws but I am assuming these 2 aren't set to face their main threats until F, because of their seeding. Ravi Kumar Dahiya and Deepak Punia too have chance to medal. Not much hype around them but definitely follow their bouts. Others aren't really contenders but you never know. This sport has thrown up unexpected winners for India since 2008, repechage (2nd chance) and 2 bronze medals can be a blessing for some of our lower ranked wrestlers. My early prediction is silver for Vinesh, silver or bronze for Bajrang (leaning towards bronze), and a surprise 3rd medal, big chance that will be a bronze. You are underrating deepak. Dude is a monster. Link to comment
neel roy Posted August 3, 2021 Share Posted August 3, 2021 37 minutes ago, Jay said: You are underrating deepak. Dude is a monster. Yeah he is and he is second seeded. But his weight categories have bigger monsters as well. Hope his seedings help a bit. At least if he loses he ll lose to someone who should get into finals opening the repechage bronze gate for him.. Gollum 1 Link to comment
Gollum Posted August 3, 2021 Author Share Posted August 3, 2021 36 minutes ago, Jay said: You are underrating deepak. Dude is a monster. Before the Olympics Deepak Punia pulls out of Poland Open due to hand injury Anyway can't put him in the same tier as Vinesh, Bajrang when it comes to expecting medal. Jay 1 Link to comment
neel roy Posted August 3, 2021 Share Posted August 3, 2021 Schedule Wrestling: Ravi Kumar vs Oscar Eduardo Tigreros (Colombia) in men's freestyle 57kg will get underway at 8:00 am IST. Anshu Malik vs Iryna Kurachkina (Belarus) in women's freestyle 57kg is scheduled for a start at 8:00 am IST. Deepak Punia vs Ekerekeme Agiomor (Nigeria) in men's freestyle 86kg is scheduled for an 8:00 am IST start. Ravi , Deepak expected to win first match. Anshu I am doubtful Vickydev and randomGuy 2 Link to comment
Vickydev Posted August 4, 2021 Share Posted August 4, 2021 3 hours ago, neel roy said: Schedule Wrestling: Ravi Kumar vs Oscar Eduardo Tigreros (Colombia) in men's freestyle 57kg will get underway at 8:00 am IST. Anshu Malik vs Iryna Kurachkina (Belarus) in women's freestyle 57kg is scheduled for a start at 8:00 am IST. Deepak Punia vs Ekerekeme Agiomor (Nigeria) in men's freestyle 86kg is scheduled for an 8:00 am IST start. Ravi , Deepak expected to win first match. Anshu I am doubtful What rounds are these? Link to comment
New guy Posted August 4, 2021 Share Posted August 4, 2021 Ravi wins easily. What happened in the ojter 2 matches? Link to comment
Cricketics Posted August 4, 2021 Share Posted August 4, 2021 Anshu should just slap the Belarussian chick and get done with. neel roy 1 Link to comment
Gollum Posted August 4, 2021 Author Share Posted August 4, 2021 Anshu lost, but fought hard. Kudos. Her time will come in Paris, too young and raw now. Link to comment
QuarantineTormentino Posted August 4, 2021 Share Posted August 4, 2021 Noob question: does repecharge mean that qualifying for semis isn’t enough to secure bronze? Mariyam 1 Link to comment
Gollum Posted August 4, 2021 Author Share Posted August 4, 2021 Since many ICFers are having confusion about repechage, watch either of these 2 short videos. Both in Hindi...English videos too damn long. 21 minutes ago, QuarantineTormentino said: Noob question: does repecharge mean that qualifying for semis isn’t enough to secure bronze? QuarantineTormentino and Mariyam 2 Link to comment
New guy Posted August 4, 2021 Share Posted August 4, 2021 Anshu maliks opponent qualified for final, so she is now with a chance to win bronze Link to comment
bharathh Posted August 4, 2021 Share Posted August 4, 2021 4 hours ago, New guy said: Anshu maliks opponent qualified for final, so she is now with a chance to win bronze She has to win 3 matches in a row to do so - unlikely given her performance in the first round. Still she's young so hope she gains a lot of experience from this! New guy and neel roy 1 1 Link to comment
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