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6 hours ago, beetle said:

It is embarrasing to see virat's and media's reaction to a century against a minnow team.

I rate Afghanistan as a pretty dangerous T20 side. The only reason they could not compete against us was because it was their second game in as many days in that Dubai weather. Only one day prior they had lost that nail biter against Paxtan.

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5 minutes ago, vvvslaxman said:

 

I am not sure that was his choice. That is my point. Gambhir says "He doesn't want to before 5". How does he know that? He was a  successful Test opener in England/SA. why would he decline if he is offered to open. His role is always finisher role. Miller's majoriy of his innings are either batting at 5 or 6.  Does it make him a bad choice? T20 is all about roles. Somebody has to bat down right? Everybody cannot bat in top 5.

 

I think he talked about no. of deliveries too

 

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To start with, Rishabh Pant. Because I have said it in the past as well, you don't pick a T20 player only to play 10-12 balls. There is no guarantee that he is going to win you games. And Dinesh Karthik, unfortunately, has shown no interest in batting in the top-5. Your wicketkeeper has to be able to bat in the top-5 and Rishabh Pant has that quality to bat at any number for that matter,” Gambhir added

 

I agree DK doesnt select his position, but teams decide it based on players can offer.

 

If DK showed he can resurrect after a collapse, there would be no debate. But in such situations,Axar is sent ahead.

 

It doesnt have to be Pant,whoever offers more can be preferred. 

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9 minutes ago, Lord said:

 

I think he talked about no. of deliveries too

 

 

I agree DK doesnt select his position, but teams decide it based on players can offer.

 

If DK showed he can resurrect after a collapse, there would be no debate. But in such situations,Axar is sent ahead.

 

It doesnt have to be Pant,whoever offers more can be preferred. 

 

This is not new. In fact DK was unhappy that Vijay Shankar was sent ahead of him in the Nidahas. He had no choice.  Vijay Shankar bats below DK even in domestic for his state.  Whole premise of Gauti's argument is Pant can open. well so can DK. JUst because he hasn't opened in a while doesn't mean he can't. He was a Test match opener in SA/England for us. Pant has opened in under-19 and one season of IPL and few matches here and there. Heck anybody can open. Even Bumrah can open. What do you do there is important. Either way  KL and Rohit ain't going anywhere unless an injury eliminates one of them. Even then Kohli is most likely to open. Pant will be used as a spin basher even if he is picked ahead of DK. Pant is our future. He is not going anywhere. But is he indispensable in this format not sure. He, Samson, Kishan they are all the same level. Also his keeping in shorter format is not at top level. He has to be a bit more street smart.

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8 minutes ago, sarchasm said:

Pant is 24 and the biggest reason to bet on him is that he's got the temperament. DK is 37. 

 

Don't need a galaxybrain to choose Pant over a nothingburger like DK.

 

 

You would back Kishan or Samson then if age is the issue. We can even go for Dinesh bana who is much younger. I don't think age matters in a T20 game. Pant looks a lot less fitter than DK. couldn't even run to the stumps knowing well they would go for bye.  Pant has a very large sample that proves he is mediocre in this format.  KL Rahul might as well keep and India can draft Gill in. With or without DK Pant is a dispensable player in T20 format.

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Pant or DK are not the problem as usual moronic Gambhir is off the mark.

 

His pet Bhuvi who is not supposed to get hero worshipped as been the main problem for this team for last few years.The question he needs to ask is not why Kohli was getting long leash but why Bhuvi is getting long leash.

 

Batting will be just fine even in Australia , hero worshiping in dressing room even if it is done , there is nothing wrong with having hero worshipping of great player by youngsters. Sachin was hero worshipped by many later generation players.

 

MJ was hero worshipped by many NBA players and they still do to this date.

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8 hours ago, putrevus said:

Only a fricking moron will say Kohli can score runs against minnows.

Agreed.  In the book "Ancient History of Indian cricket," they talked about the gazillion runs he scored against the world's best non-minnows ;-). 

 

Point?  Bhai, no one is their right minds will deny Kohli's greatness.  He will go down as a top-5 all-format batsman to play for India, the #1 ODI batsman to play for India, and the captain who brought speed to the forefront for test cricket.   

 

But what T20 cricket needs is guys in form who can play significant knocks against good teams now.  And a century after a 1000 days in an inconsequential match against a minnow does not qualify one for that.    

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3 hours ago, Lord said:

On Pant v DK

 

 

 

Not t he right way to check. Check the matches both played together. We will get some context. His 15h match being  52 not out lol  Neither of them did well.  Pant's strike rate becomes 127 if you knock out that 52.  We cannot use convenient filter to analyze this. How many times they managed to play innings with high strike rates. Sadly not many.

 

Pant's strike rate in the last 15 match

 

185.71

181.25

 71.42

 75.00

 73.91

100.00

173.33

 20.00

116.66

200.00

126.92

141.93

116.66

130.76

125.00

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14 hours ago, BacktoCricaddict said:

Agreed.  In the book "Ancient History of Indian cricket," they talked about the gazillion runs he scored against the world's best non-minnows ;-). 

 

Point?  Bhai, no one is their right minds will deny Kohli's greatness.  He will go down as a top-5 all-format batsman to play for India, the #1 ODI batsman to play for India, and the captain who brought speed to the forefront for test cricket.   

 

But what T20 cricket needs is guys in form who can play significant knocks against good teams now.  And a century after a 1000 days in an inconsequential match against a minnow does not qualify one for that.    

What makes you to say that Kohli cannot play significant knock against top teams.When he is right he will score runs against any attack anywhere.He does not need minnow to stat pad.

 

You are still not getting the point , the elation people had was not about him just scoring  that 100 but him returning to his old self . 

 

The nonsense Gambhir was spewing was ridiculous. Kohli got the accolades as he is trying to return to greatness.

 

Guy like Bhuvi never had greatness to begin with so question of him receiving accolades does not arise.

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2 hours ago, putrevus said:

What makes you to say that Kohli cannot play significant knock against top teams.  When he is right ,,,

 

(1) 2+ years of struggle is the only evidence I have for your question, but it is strong evidence.  Obviously, he is quite capable of doing it, as he has proven in the past.  But he is human.  His skills wane like everyone else's.  Bad habits creep in without notice.  Confidence gets shaky.  And when that happens, an athlete must step away, work the kinks out and compete to come back in, and not be handed a spot. 

 

(2) When he is right - the question is "is he right at this moment?"  And the evidence for that is a singular innings against a deflated AFG team in an inconsequential match?  I think he can do better than that.

 

Yeah, Gambhir probably has some vendetta against VK.  That doesn't necessarily make this particular statement wrong.   Now, if VK comes out in the current AUS series, with the series on the line, and plays some significant knocks to lead the batting, there will be no one happier than me.   

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18 hours ago, vvvslaxman said:

 

Not t he right way to check. Check the matches both played together. We will get some context. His 15h match being  52 not out lol  Neither of them did well.  Pant's strike rate becomes 127 if you knock out that 52.  We cannot use convenient filter to analyze this. How many times they managed to play innings with high strike rates. Sadly not many.

 

Pant's strike rate in the last 15 match

 

185.71

181.25

 71.42

 75.00

 73.91

100.00

173.33

 20.00

116.66

200.00

126.92

141.93

116.66

130.76

125.00

 

127 is still better than 116, specially with DK playing only in last 5 overs. His whole job profile is to play quick cameos

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16 hours ago, putrevus said:

What makes you to say that Kohli cannot play significant knock against top teams.When he is right he will score runs against any attack anywhere.He does not need minnow to stat pad.

 

You are still not getting the point , the elation people had was not about him just scoring  that 100 but him returning to his old self . 

 

The nonsense Gambhir was spewing was ridiculous. Kohli got the accolades as he is trying to return to greatness.

 

Guy like Bhuvi never had greatness to begin with so question of him receiving accolades does not arise.

Kohli is a piece of ****. A corpse. He is washed up has been. He csn go * himself along with his sycophant fans. 

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