Don't create monsters in dressing room - Gambhir

[vvvslaxman]

9 minutes ago, Lord said:

 

I think he talked about no. of deliveries too

 

 

I agree DK doesnt select his position, but teams decide it based on players can offer.

 

If DK showed he can resurrect after a collapse, there would be no debate. But in such situations,Axar is sent ahead.

 

It doesnt have to be Pant,whoever offers more can be preferred. 

 

This is not new. In fact DK was unhappy that Vijay Shankar was sent ahead of him in the Nidahas. He had no choice.  Vijay Shankar bats below DK even in domestic for his state.  Whole premise of Gauti's argument is Pant can open. well so can DK. JUst because he hasn't opened in a while doesn't mean he can't. He was a Test match opener in SA/England for us. Pant has opened in under-19 and one season of IPL and few matches here and there. Heck anybody can open. Even Bumrah can open. What do you do there is important. Either way  KL and Rohit ain't going anywhere unless an injury eliminates one of them. Even then Kohli is most likely to open. Pant will be used as a spin basher even if he is picked ahead of DK. Pant is our future. He is not going anywhere. But is he indispensable in this format not sure. He, Samson, Kishan they are all the same level. Also his keeping in shorter format is not at top level. He has to be a bit more street smart.

Edited September 20, 2022 by vvvslaxman

[vvvslaxman]

8 minutes ago, sarchasm said:

Pant is 24 and the biggest reason to bet on him is that he's got the temperament. DK is 37. 

 

Don't need a galaxybrain to choose Pant over a nothingburger like DK.

 

 

You would back Kishan or Samson then if age is the issue. We can even go for Dinesh bana who is much younger. I don't think age matters in a T20 game. Pant looks a lot less fitter than DK. couldn't even run to the stumps knowing well they would go for bye.  Pant has a very large sample that proves he is mediocre in this format.  KL Rahul might as well keep and India can draft Gill in. With or without DK Pant is a dispensable player in T20 format.

[adi B]

Gambhir as usual spot on 

[Lord]

On Pant v DK

 

 

[putrevus]

Pant or DK are not the problem as usual moronic Gambhir is off the mark.

 

His pet Bhuvi who is not supposed to get hero worshipped as been the main problem for this team for last few years.The question he needs to ask is not why Kohli was getting long leash but why Bhuvi is getting long leash.

 

Batting will be just fine even in Australia , hero worshiping in dressing room even if it is done , there is nothing wrong with having hero worshipping of great player by youngsters. Sachin was hero worshipped by many later generation players.

 

MJ was hero worshipped by many NBA players and they still do to this date.

Edited September 20, 2022 by putrevus

[BacktoCricaddict]

8 hours ago, putrevus said:

Only a fricking moron will say Kohli can score runs against minnows.

Agreed.  In the book "Ancient History of Indian cricket," they talked about the gazillion runs he scored against the world's best non-minnows ;-). 

 

Point?  Bhai, no one is their right minds will deny Kohli's greatness.  He will go down as a top-5 all-format batsman to play for India, the #1 ODI batsman to play for India, and the captain who brought speed to the forefront for test cricket.   

 

But what T20 cricket needs is guys in form who can play significant knocks against good teams now.  And a century after a 1000 days in an inconsequential match against a minnow does not qualify one for that.    

[vvvslaxman]

3 hours ago, Lord said:

On Pant v DK

 

 

 

Not t he right way to check. Check the matches both played together. We will get some context. His 15h match being  52 not out lol  Neither of them did well.  Pant's strike rate becomes 127 if you knock out that 52.  We cannot use convenient filter to analyze this. How many times they managed to play innings with high strike rates. Sadly not many.

 

Pant's strike rate in the last 15 match

 

185.71

181.25

 71.42

 75.00

 73.91

100.00

173.33

 20.00

116.66

200.00

126.92

141.93

116.66

130.76

125.00

[vvvslaxman]

If they are serious about playing DK they should give him game time. I mocked DC for playing Axar patel at no.6 . Shocking Indian main side is playing Axar at 6.  If they insist on playing DK only at 7 they might as well go with Shubman Gill and have KL as keeper.

[cricketfan28]

Can't beat money.

[Nikhil_cric]

I'll always say this about GG. He's certainly not one among  those legions of sycophants in the media who is afraid to speak his mind and that is really good to see. 

Dhoni and Kohli have abused their cult status quite a bit. 

 

Doesn't mention Tendulkar and for good reason. 

Edited September 21, 2022 by Nikhil_cric

[Stan AF]

8 minutes ago, Nikhil_cric said:

I'll always say this about GG. He's certainly not one among  those legions of sycophants in the media who is afraid to speak his mind and that is really good to see. 

Dhoni and Kohli have abused their cult status quite a bit. 

 

Doesn't mention Tendulkar and for good reason. 

Absolutely

[putrevus]

14 hours ago, BacktoCricaddict said:

Agreed.  In the book "Ancient History of Indian cricket," they talked about the gazillion runs he scored against the world's best non-minnows ;-). 

 

Point?  Bhai, no one is their right minds will deny Kohli's greatness.  He will go down as a top-5 all-format batsman to play for India, the #1 ODI batsman to play for India, and the captain who brought speed to the forefront for test cricket.   

 

But what T20 cricket needs is guys in form who can play significant knocks against good teams now.  And a century after a 1000 days in an inconsequential match against a minnow does not qualify one for that.    

What makes you to say that Kohli cannot play significant knock against top teams.When he is right he will score runs against any attack anywhere.He does not need minnow to stat pad.

 

You are still not getting the point , the elation people had was not about him just scoring  that 100 but him returning to his old self . 

 

The nonsense Gambhir was spewing was ridiculous. Kohli got the accolades as he is trying to return to greatness.

 

Guy like Bhuvi never had greatness to begin with so question of him receiving accolades does not arise.

[BacktoCricaddict]

2 hours ago, putrevus said:

What makes you to say that Kohli cannot play significant knock against top teams.  When he is right ,,,

 

(1) 2+ years of struggle is the only evidence I have for your question, but it is strong evidence.  Obviously, he is quite capable of doing it, as he has proven in the past.  But he is human.  His skills wane like everyone else's.  Bad habits creep in without notice.  Confidence gets shaky.  And when that happens, an athlete must step away, work the kinks out and compete to come back in, and not be handed a spot. 

 

(2) When he is right - the question is "is he right at this moment?"  And the evidence for that is a singular innings against a deflated AFG team in an inconsequential match?  I think he can do better than that.

 

Yeah, Gambhir probably has some vendetta against VK.  That doesn't necessarily make this particular statement wrong.   Now, if VK comes out in the current AUS series, with the series on the line, and plays some significant knocks to lead the batting, there will be no one happier than me.   

[Lord]

18 hours ago, vvvslaxman said:

 

Not t he right way to check. Check the matches both played together. We will get some context. His 15h match being  52 not out lol  Neither of them did well.  Pant's strike rate becomes 127 if you knock out that 52.  We cannot use convenient filter to analyze this. How many times they managed to play innings with high strike rates. Sadly not many.

 

Pant's strike rate in the last 15 match

 

185.71

181.25

 71.42

 75.00

 73.91

100.00

173.33

 20.00

116.66

200.00

126.92

141.93

116.66

130.76

125.00

 

127 is still better than 116, specially with DK playing only in last 5 overs. His whole job profile is to play quick cameos

[Jay]

16 hours ago, putrevus said:

What makes you to say that Kohli cannot play significant knock against top teams.When he is right he will score runs against any attack anywhere.He does not need minnow to stat pad.

 

You are still not getting the point , the elation people had was not about him just scoring  that 100 but him returning to his old self . 

 

The nonsense Gambhir was spewing was ridiculous. Kohli got the accolades as he is trying to return to greatness.

 

Guy like Bhuvi never had greatness to begin with so question of him receiving accolades does not arise.

Kohli is a piece of ****. A corpse. He is washed up has been. He csn go * himself along with his sycophant fans. 

[Adamant]

https://youtu.be/c4MNDgUey_g

 

 

Enjoy, folks. 

 

He is rubbish, isn't he? 

 

Sir Geoffrey, all hail! 

 

Perennially jealous. 

Edited September 22, 2022 by Adamant

[raki05]

1 hour ago, Adamant said:

https://youtu.be/c4MNDgUey_g

 

 

Enjoy, folks. 

 

He is rubbish, isn't he? 

 

Sir Geoffrey, all hail! 

 

Perennially jealous. 

He is still better than your bhagwan as he performed in 2 goat final and wonnit for India. BTW a big lol if you are glorifying a sore looser and sadistic person like Geoffrey he is even bigger looser than GoT Geoffri.

[vvvslaxman]

23 hours ago, Lord said:

 

127 is still better than 116, specially with DK playing only in last 5 overs. His whole job profile is to play quick cameos

 

yes he failed at that. As explained sending him DK there is as good as not playing. Because DK was followed 4 turds who can't bat to save their life. Axar should have never batted ahead of DK. With RCB the order was different. Shabaz after DK not before. Pant also go to play at an easier spot in a couple of matches which is basically opening with no pressure.

Edited September 22, 2022 by vvvslaxman

[Lord]

7 minutes ago, vvvslaxman said:

 

yes he failed at that. As explained sending him DK there is as good as not playing. Because DK was followed 4 turds who can't bat to save their life. Axar should have never batted ahead of DK. With RCB the order was different. Shabaz after DK not before. Pant also go to play at an easier spot in a couple of matches which is basically opening with no pressure.

Not just talking about one game. Thats his SR over 15 innings when all he has to do is play quick cameos. 116 is low even for someone trying to rebuild

 

Pant has played at varied position without a fixed role, still doing better. Also offers LHB value and better v spin

[Chakdephatte]

11 minutes ago, vvvslaxman said:

yes he failed at that. As explained sending him DK there is as good as not playing. Because DK was followed 4 turds who can't bat to save their life.

 

That's why this is a tough role. That's why quality finishers are rare, they should adapt. Can not be used as an excuse.

Edited September 22, 2022 by Chakdephatte