Can "Change the Template" succeed without changing the personnel

[Number]

When England decided to play aggressive brand of Cricket in T20s, they didn't ask Joe Root to play aggressively. They dropped him and picked naturally good strikers who are instinctively boundary hitters.

A team which wants to play fast paced innings construction, will they pick Akash Chopra, Rahul Dravid, Pujara and then ask them to play fast and fearless ?

So why is it that India decided to change the template and not the personnel.

Edited November 13, 2022 by Number

[zen]

Old dogs cannot learn new tricks 

 

Need right players for right execution 

Edited November 13, 2022 by zen

[Vijy]

1 hour ago, zen said:

Old dogs cannot learn new tricks 

 

Need right players for right execution 

old dogs can't learn old tricks either. they are old, so too set in their ways

[jf1gp_1]

one thing we need to change is use of phrase like "play natural game"  "process" "template"  etc etc 

[R!TTER]

Express yourself - what the * does that actually mean 

 

Just do your job assholes & do it well 

[vivek04]

We need selfless player like sehwag. Thats it. Looking at the current crop of Players only Shaw, sky, samson, hodda, pant fits in that category 

[cricketfan28]

6 minutes ago, vivek04 said:

We need selfless player like sehwag. Thats it. Looking at the current crop of Players only Shaw, sky, samson, hodda, pant fits in that category 

Once they become superstars they will become selfish.

[jf1gp_1]

10 minutes ago, R!TTER said:

Express yourself - what the * does that actually mean 

 

Just do your job assholes & do it well 

yup you want to express yourself go meet karan johar or open a youtube channel and yes stop saying $hit like " i dont have to prove anything". Even India PM needs to prove himself every 5yrs you are only one player of Indian cricket team. 

[express bowling]

Older people are set in their ways.

 

They will revert back to 40 ball 50s the moment the team seems to be ok and winning in meaningless bilaterals and low key matches. 

 

And defensive floaty trundlers lack both ability as well as the courage to bowl wicket taking lengths. We need new quick and bouncy bowlers with white ball skills, who are preferably tall too. 

 

Younger players may not be better qualitatively but can be taught to play in the new style much more easily. 

[vivek04]

42 minutes ago, cricketfan28 said:

Once they become superstars they will become selfish.

An that's why sehwag was a gem. he never cares for a fifty or hundred just full on attack.

[RajBan]

38 minutes ago, cricketfan28 said:

Once they become superstars they will become selfish.

That usually happens because they have been groomed by their seniors that way before they are allowed to establish themselves.

 

If you remove the entire senior complex at one shot without bothering about transition and try building from scratch (except Sky, Pandya, Pant, Arshdeep) with complete different players then you may be able to mitigate the possibility of safe, secure, survival approach that gets transferred from the experienced players to the new ones. Even Dravid needs to only focus on Test and/or ODI or maybe at grassroots level. Definitely should not be anywhere close to coaching a T20 team.

[rkt.india]

5 hours ago, zen said:

Old dogs cannot learn new tricks 

 

Need right players for right execution 

Don't even have the right players. These are the best we have unfortunately. We are an average T20 batting side no matter who plays. How many Indians have high strike rates even in IPL?

[zen]

7 minutes ago, rkt.india said:

Don't even have the right players. These are the best we have unfortunately. We are an average T20 batting side no matter who plays. How many Indians have high strike rates even in IPL?

Gill

Pant

Hooda

SKY

SDP

Samson 

Sundar 

Moshin

Bishnoi

Umran

Tyagi

 

Shaw

Kuldeep (or Sai Kishore)

Jaiswal

Kuldip Sen 

Tewatia

 

 

PS and there are bowlers like Prasidh, Siraj, etc. Batsmen like Kishan, Rituraj, etc. 

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[Number]

21 minutes ago, rkt.india said:

Don't even have the right players. These are the best we have unfortunately. We are an average T20 batting side no matter who plays. How many Indians have high strike rates even in IPL?

 

One thing is sure. We don't have Hales, Butler, Bairstow, Salt like player sitting on bench. We lack hitters like them. We have to make do with whatever we have.

 

[rkt.india]

41 minutes ago, zen said:

Gill

Pant

Hooda

SKY

SDP

Samson 

Sundar 

Moshin

Bishnoi

Umran

Tyagi

 

Shaw

Kuldeep (or Sai Kishore)

Jaiswal

Kuldip Sen 

Tewatia

 

 

PS and there are bowlers like Prasidh, Siraj, etc. Batsmen like Kishan, Rituraj, etc. 

Gill is an accumulator like Kohli, Sundar can't clear 30 yard circle. Pant is a failure in international T20s. Samson hasn't done great even in IPL. 

[zen]

2 minutes ago, rkt.india said:

Gill is an accumulator like Kohli, Sundar can't clear 30 yard circle. Pant is a failure in international T20s. Samson hasn't done great even in IPL. 

that is ok (and can’t go worse than the oldies)… the planning is on for 2024 … Rome was not built in a day … Eng put its strategy in place in 2015 

[express bowling]

48 minutes ago, rkt.india said:

Gill is an accumulator like Kohli, Sundar can't clear 30 yard circle. Pant is a failure in international T20s. Samson hasn't done great even in IPL. 

 

Gill is increasing his T20 SR day by day.

 

Pant needs to bat higher up in T20s.

[singhvivek141]

1 hour ago, rkt.india said:

Gill is an accumulator like Kohli, Sundar can't clear 30 yard circle. Pant is a failure in international T20s. Samson hasn't done great even in IPL. 

Gill has shown improvement...obviously he isnt 50(25) wala batsman like Shaw...but even 50(35) is acceptable.

 

What we need is someone who don't eat up balls at the start only to cover it later. Because when you eat up balls at the start it put immense pressure on your partner to keep the scoreboard ticking.

Hypothetical scenario: If Gill scores 60(42) a day by going 10(7), 20(14), 30(21) etc... that's good for me rather scoring first 30 in 29 balls and second 30 in 13...as by that time you will be doing the catching up.

 

Edited November 13, 2022 by singhvivek141

[goose]

you could improve the batting overnight with pandya, sky, kohli, rohit, kl batting in that order

[Sooda]

What sets England apart is brute power that goes through the batting order and "unorthodoxy" 

 

We don't have either to anything like the same degree

 

They've got a team full of Hardiks almost 

 

Arguably a few who are not far off from SKY In the 360 degree batting ability (even Hales hitting sixes over fine leg), and in Buttler probably even better than SKY at that

 

And he opens so maximises his striking. Maybe SKY needs to be at 3

 

Even the powerful youngsters like Shaw and Samson don't or can't bat like that I don't think . Maybe coaching is too "correct" for t20

 

Certainly Gill and Iyer don't, those guys are going to be the batting main stays in ODIs at least