Lone Wolf Posted February 5, 2023 Share Posted February 5, 2023 Hmm... Bang during Guru Ravidas Jayanti... Talk about vote bank lol Lord 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lone Wolf Posted February 5, 2023 Author Share Posted February 5, 2023 He Has probably gone senile or this is what they teach to folks over there? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zen Posted February 6, 2023 Share Posted February 6, 2023 He is right. Many of the concepts in Hinduism are “man made”. Chakdephatte 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rangeelaraja Posted February 6, 2023 Share Posted February 6, 2023 (edited) Manusmriti propunded the caste system. Manusmriti is older than Ramayana Edited February 6, 2023 by rangeelaraja Under_Score 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mishra Posted February 6, 2023 Share Posted February 6, 2023 (edited) Stratification of family trade ended up turning into caste System. Its not fault of Brahmins that their families has for generations brought a culture of education. And then that stratification turned into Varna/Caste system. Just a example about culture of Brahmins for which India should be thankfull is that of Don Vikas Dubey. He was killed by Yogi Police in some encounter . His teenage son was arrested and later released. I think he is doing a medical degree in Russia. So thats the culture among Brahmins. https://www.indiatvnews.com/news/india/gangster-vikas-dubey-akash-dubey-returns-home-kanpur-encounter-633556 I expected better from Shri Mohan Bhagwat ji. PS: I blame VP Singhs Mandal Commisiiions hasty illthought (probably well thought) implementation for purpose of votebank politics which made many Brahmins of that era into goons but rich family tradition of Indian Brahmins that they still prefer growth via education over any other method. And no one, absolutely no one wants to change his caste into Brahmins. Thats how bad Brahmins are treated in India. Edited February 6, 2023 by mishra Lone Wolf, Tibarn and Trichromatic 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BacktoCricaddict Posted February 6, 2023 Share Posted February 6, 2023 17 hours ago, zen said: He is right. Many All of the concepts in Hinduism all religions are “man made”. cricketrulez and Stan AF 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zen Posted February 6, 2023 Share Posted February 6, 2023 5 minutes ago, BacktoCricaddict said: All of the concepts in Hinduism all religions are “man made”. I am not interested in atheist agendas. Tibarn 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BacktoCricaddict Posted February 6, 2023 Share Posted February 6, 2023 2 minutes ago, zen said: I am not interested in atheist agendas. No agenda. Religion is man-made. Chakdephatte and cricketrulez 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zen Posted February 6, 2023 Share Posted February 6, 2023 3 minutes ago, BacktoCricaddict said: No agenda. Religion is man-made. As I said "not interested". Tibarn 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coffee_rules Posted February 6, 2023 Share Posted February 6, 2023 As said in Manusmriti, they are just Smriti and should be changed as is the need of the times we live in. Now, with this senile words, there will be more hate spewed on that community. If 5% of people made it, how come rest of the 95% blindly followed it. Who made the hierarchy of varnas. Tibarn 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coffee_rules Posted February 6, 2023 Share Posted February 6, 2023 2 hours ago, BacktoCricaddict said: Anna, Čarvaka muni, nand yelli idli antha keltidiya? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tibarn Posted February 6, 2023 Share Posted February 6, 2023 Moochad, zen and BacktoCricaddict 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tibarn Posted February 6, 2023 Share Posted February 6, 2023 (edited) Edited version of my previous post because I'm not interested in a long discussion: 1) He's wrong to slur the various Brahmin communities of India, as if they are the only "casteists" or perpetuators of "caste" in India. 2)The RSS, as an organization, is in the same vein as Arya Samaj/Brahmo Samaj, in that they don't really acknowledge many aspects of traditional Hinduism as essential, ie RSS tends to be non-ritualist. Like Arya Samaj, they also don't view jati/"caste" as some crucial/immutable part of Hinduism. 3a) He's speaking specifically about jati, not Varnashrama, the latter obviously goes back to the Vedas, so they have a better claim to be "Gods-made". Jati/Jati-dharma, is conventionally defined by the practice of endogamous marriage within jatis/"castes" and hereditary occupations. The former, the genetic data suggest, is only around 70 generations old in most of India. This practice is estimated to have started during the Gupta Empire. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4760789/ Someone or something must have initiated this practice. Whether that is "Gods-made", "Man-made", some combination, or something else, people are free to speculate. 3b) There is a caveat that this practice of endogamous marriage/reproduction within these jati/"caste" groups in the southern-most part of India, predates the practice in the rest of India. https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0050269 Once again, people are free to speculate whether it was a southern cultural influence on/fusion with the rest of India, or whether the two are unrelated. Edited February 7, 2023 by Tibarn coffee_rules and mishra 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BacktoCricaddict Posted February 7, 2023 Share Posted February 7, 2023 1 hour ago, coffee_rules said: Anna, Čarvaka muni, nand yelli idli antha keltidiya? Not really, guru. Zen said that "some things in Hinduism" are man-made. I just made the point that religion itself is man-made. Nothing wrong with being man-made per se, right? Now, there is a good chance that I am wrong because there is evidence for ritualism, empathy and altruism in other species, too - these social behaviors are associated with greater survival that comes from socialization groups. If one were to extend that to mean that it is these behaviors that then developed into religion, one would have to agree that religion is not man-made. One thing for sure that I must learn - questioning another person's faith is thoughtless and unproductive. It can only lead to conflict as evidenced in this thread. coffee_rules and diga 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coffee_rules Posted February 7, 2023 Share Posted February 7, 2023 1 hour ago, Tibarn said: / Why did you delete it? I wanted to refute some claims about population genetics. ANI and ASI is an artificial construct that is talked about as proven science to explain some differences in DNA. There are a lot of papers that refute some popular claims to endogamyic practices to prove that caste system was rigidly followed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zen Posted February 7, 2023 Share Posted February 7, 2023 (edited) 23 minutes ago, BacktoCricaddict said: Not really, guru. Zen said that "some things in Hinduism" are man-made. I just made the point that religion itself is man-made. Nothing wrong with being man-made per se, right? Now, there is a good chance that I am wrong because there is evidence for ritualism, empathy and altruism in other species, too - these social behaviors are associated with greater survival that comes from socialization groups. If one were to extend that to mean that it is these behaviors that then developed into religion, one would have to agree that religion is not man-made. One thing for sure that I must learn - questioning another person's faith is thoughtless and unproductive. It can only lead to conflict as evidenced in this thread. No offense taken. It's just that I avoid such conversations where people can eventually build up to question God's existence. Edited February 7, 2023 by zen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tibarn Posted February 7, 2023 Share Posted February 7, 2023 (edited) 10 minutes ago, coffee_rules said: Why did you delete it? I wanted to refute some claims about population genetics. ANI and ASI is an artificial construct that is talked about as proven science to explain some differences in DNA. There are a lot of papers that refute some popular claims to endogamyic practices to prove that caste system was rigidly followed. I was editing it for brevity, check again Edited February 7, 2023 by Tibarn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cricketrulez Posted February 7, 2023 Share Posted February 7, 2023 4 hours ago, zen said: No offense taken. It's just that I avoid such conversations where people can eventually build up to question God's existence. so God actually exists? which god? there are so many of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prakat Posted February 7, 2023 Share Posted February 7, 2023 watching one of these prized buffoons get acclimatized to reality is always fun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lone Wolf Posted February 7, 2023 Author Share Posted February 7, 2023 VHP should take over from RSS which has turned into clowns with no Vision whatsoever. Bhagwat's ill response will fuel further agendas including that Brahmins were outsiders & AIT gets further more footprint in Indian psyche. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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