Mariyam Posted February 20 Share Posted February 20 The Shiv Sena were the OG of divisive politics whose forte was 'othering' groups for political gains. Now they are a house divided. The EC has allotted their election symbol and party name to the Shinde faction. Uddhav Thackeray has said that he will approach the Supreme Court. What will happen to Uddhav if the SC doesn't set aside the order of the Election Commission? And more importantly, what happens to the BMC? sandeep, coffee_rules, dial_100 and 1 other 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
velu Posted February 20 Share Posted February 20 @G_B_ is happy coffee_rules 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coffee_rules Posted February 20 Share Posted February 20 ^^ was about to ask him. But UT lost all that he worked for in life, just to become CM for 20 months. Sanjay ki baat Sun kar Dhritrashtra bana tha andha banke. He might still have some support among elite circles of Mumbai, among B’wood crowd with Best CM WA forwards. What a fall from grace! Mariyam 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandeep Posted February 20 Share Posted February 20 3 hours ago, Mariyam said: The Shiv Sena were the OG of divisive politics whose forte was 'othering' groups for political gains. Now they are a house divided. The EC has allotted their election symbol and party name to the Shinde faction. Uddhav Thackeray has said that he will approach the Supreme Court. What will happen to Uddhav if the SC doesn't set aside the order of the Election Commission? And more importantly, what happens to the BMC? Most family businesses tend to fall apart in the 2nd generation.... ravishingravi, BacktoCricaddict, I6MTW and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BacktoCricaddict Posted February 20 Share Posted February 20 (edited) 3 hours ago, Mariyam said: The Shiv Sena were the OG of divisive politics whose forte was 'othering' groups for political gains. "Othering" groups for political gains is the MO of politics, all politics. Without an enemy, real or perceived, how will I make the case that I am your saviour? Edited February 20 by BacktoCricaddict Mariyam 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dial_100 Posted February 20 Share Posted February 20 Back in 95, NDA gave CM post to SS. The then SS supremo elected Murli Manohar Joshi. I dont know where UBT is coming from to claim that BT wanted SS to take CM post. Besides in couple of terms, CM post would have naturally gone to SS, say in 24. In public rallies, BT never promoted UT on stage or any major policy making. This is very good in long run for MH. ES is a nice man and he is good until 24. They will re-assess the positions after the results. I still feel MH economy has done very poorly in last 2-3 decades. If it was not for DF tenure, it would have looked worst. Enough of these useless partitions. Let this coalition rule for the next 2 consecutive terms and we are going to see MH touch $1T easily in next 4-6 years. ravishingravi and Mariyam 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Under_Score Posted February 21 Share Posted February 21 (edited) 13 hours ago, Mariyam said: The Shiv Sena were the OG of divisive politics whose forte was 'othering' groups for political gains. Now they are a house divided. The EC has allotted their election symbol and party name to the Shinde faction. Uddhav Thackeray has said that he will approach the Supreme Court. What will happen to Uddhav if the SC doesn't set aside the order of the Election Commission? And more importantly, what happens to the BMC? No matter what confidence bikau Shinde feels about the party BJP which is hell bent upon dividing / destroying SS in MH......in the end, people of Maharashtra will have to assess the game & make their choice in the elections....which will be the ultimate truth. Edited February 21 by Under_Score Mariyam 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ravishingravi Posted February 21 Share Posted February 21 13 hours ago, Mariyam said: The Shiv Sena were the OG of divisive politics whose forte was 'othering' groups for political gains. Now they are a house divided. The EC has allotted their election symbol and party name to the Shinde faction. Uddhav Thackeray has said that he will approach the Supreme Court. What will happen to Uddhav if the SC doesn't set aside the order of the Election Commission? And more importantly, what happens to the BMC? SS is over. BMC will be final nail in their coffin. Only SS thugs can rescue sena now. Street violence could force BJP to make them part of govt. But apart from that they have lost credibility with them. Mariyam 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ravishingravi Posted February 21 Share Posted February 21 Shine has surprised everyone. Saw him at Davos speaking on issues. Never judge book by its cover. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mishra Posted February 21 Share Posted February 21 Ideology of SS and likes should have no space in Indian democracy. Congress is making fundamental mistake by fighting BJP. They should take a leaf from BJPs playbook and execute end of Owaisis, Akalis, Communisties, and many other regional parties whose support base is not same as BJP. Vijy and Mariyam 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rangeelaraja Posted February 21 Share Posted February 21 Fate of SS is going to be the same as fate of MNS i.e. reduced to nothing Sharad Pawar found a willing ally in Sanjay Raut to reduce SS to rubble. The remaining SS MLAs will also gradually move over to the Shinde camp. It is only a matter of time - SS will lose most of its control over BMC. BJP smartly recruited Narayan Rane and his rowdy sons to respond to SS street violence in the same vein. For those who grew up in Mumbai and witnessed SS thuggery - this is good riddance to bad rubbish. Mariyam, I6MTW and ravishingravi 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dial_100 Posted February 21 Share Posted February 21 UT is a very soft leader. To showcase his strength, he tried first using strong words to suggest that he's got the control. Later he started using this uncivil and ill-mannered spoke person to attack modi. NCP and Cong kept giving impression that this ploy of SS was working and because he was at the post, he kept assuming that he is gaining power. But NCP and cong were enjoy all this hue and cry at the expense of SS. Local Cong and NCP leaders were very quiet in the past few years. The Chavans and Ajit dada or Supriya were awfully quiet in these years because SS was doing all the work for them. Unfortunately, this genie was already out of the lamp and cannot be put back now. UT has burnt the bridge permanently. coffee_rules and Mariyam 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rangeelaraja Posted February 21 Share Posted February 21 7 minutes ago, dial_100 said: UT is a very soft leader. To showcase his strength, he tried first using strong words to suggest that he's got the control. Later he started using this uncivil and ill-mannered spoke person to attack modi. NCP and Cong kept giving impression that this ploy of SS was working and because he was at the post, he kept assuming that he is gaining power. But NCP and cong were enjoy all this hue and cry at the expense of SS. Local Cong and NCP leaders were very quiet in the past few years. The Chavans and Ajit dada or Supriya were awfully quiet in these years because SS was doing all the work for them. Unfortunately, this genie was already out of the lamp and cannot be put back now. UT has burnt the bridge permanently. Ajit Dada ? Dada ? You remember what he said to the drought effected farmers right ? He is not a much lesser thug than SS. He runs a real estate mafia in Pune dial_100 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
randomGuy Posted February 21 Share Posted February 21 On 2/20/2023 at 10:42 PM, Mariyam said: The Shiv Sena were the OG of divisive politics whose forte was 'othering' groups for political gains. Now they are a house divided. The EC has allotted their election symbol and party name to the Shinde faction. Uddhav Thackeray has said that he will approach the Supreme Court. What will happen to Uddhav if the SC doesn't set aside the order of the Election Commission? And more importantly, what happens to the BMC? As an outsider having knowledge only through media, I think BMC is important here....in the other SS stronghold i.e. the coastal Maharashtra, most MLAs(by implication, largely the public as well) are already supporting Shinde. So if Mumbai also doesn't support UT in BMC, the SS party completely goes to Shinde and UT is finished... dial_100 and coffee_rules 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dial_100 Posted February 21 Share Posted February 21 2 hours ago, rangeelaraja said: Ajit Dada ? Dada ? You remember what he said to the drought effected farmers right ? He is not a much lesser thug than SS. He runs a real estate mafia in Pune You didnt get my point. Yes i know them all for the last 4 decades. I have seen the family member first time 42 years ago in my town. I know how foul mouth he is. I am saying, that all of them were taking back seat when it came to criticizing BJP and modi since 2019. If I was UT, i would have taken CM post and asked Ajit, Supriya, Deshmukh and Chavan to do all the talking. This way, UT would have been left with some redeeming grace for himself. coffee_rules and mishra 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dial_100 Posted February 21 Share Posted February 21 If BJP gets BMC along with ES, it will be a huge for the city. Lot of corruption could be controlled. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rangeelaraja Posted February 22 Share Posted February 22 8 hours ago, dial_100 said: If BJP gets BMC along with ES, it will be a huge for the city. Lot of corruption could be controlled. A lot of it has already reduced. On a recent India visit, used the Mumbai Pune expressway - the cash based poll booths are no longer there. Cashless Fasttags to prevent corruption. Thanks to Nitin Gadkari. dial_100 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Under_Score Posted March 7 Share Posted March 7 (edited) The Uddhav / Shinde 'chanakya' split might backfire for BJP in Maharashtra in the future. Video starts at the point where the reasons are explained. I love Mumbai...my birth city Edited March 7 by Under_Score RedFever 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mishra Posted March 7 Share Posted March 7 (edited) On 2/21/2023 at 7:28 PM, dial_100 said: You didnt get my point. Yes i know them all for the last 4 decades. I have seen the family member first time 42 years ago in my town. I know how foul mouth he is. I am saying, that all of them were taking back seat when it came to criticizing BJP and modi since 2019. If I was UT, i would have taken CM post and asked Ajit, Supriya, Deshmukh and Chavan to do all the talking. This way, UT would have been left with some redeeming grace for himself. UT is no politician. If UT was unhappy with BJP which he was, he should have let politics be managed by real politicians of SS and kept his role as Late Shri Bala Saheb. Most honourable thing would have been that he should have told Raut and co, they are free to do all tantrums as long as SS and BJP made a gvmnt together. Masterstroke would have been that SS will not go with BJP and ready to sit in opposition or outside support to BJP and BJP is free to go in a coalition with Congress or MNS. In greed of becoming CM or may be a wrong decision to buy the idea of becoming CM, he simply left his own supporters with no choice. Edited March 7 by mishra dial_100 and ravishingravi 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G_B_ Posted March 7 Share Posted March 7 Cm decision not fully wrong. Bjp would have contested bmc on their own in any case. SS was slowly being choked out. But as CM turned fully secular which caused issues.... Sena in places like marathwada is pure hindutva. dial_100 and mishra 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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