Talent without temperament is nothing (ICC knockouts)

[Prabhdeep Singh]

2014 T20 WC Final Vs SL (lost)

2015 ODI WC Semi Final Vs Aus (lost)

2016 T20 WC Semi Final Vs WI (lost)

2017 ODI CT Final Vs Pak (lost)

2019 ODI WC Semi Final Vs NZ (lost)

2021 WTC Final Vs NZ (lost)

2022 T20 WC Semi Final Vs Eng (lost)

2023 WTC Final Vs Aus (?)

Edited June 8, 2023 by Prabhdeep Singh

[maniac]

Rohit Sharma has never lost a final as a captain :)

 

Nidihas, Asia Cup, Chanpions league, IPL

[Prabhdeep Singh]

7 minutes ago, maniac said:

Rohit Sharma has never lost a final as a captain :)

 

Nidihas, Asia Cup, Chanpions league, IPL

 

Hopefully this omen helps India.

 

Luck has also has not been on India's side.

[vvvslaxman]

Match winners are needed.  Match winners show up regardless of pressure.

[jf1gp_1]

Such a disappointing day after Marnus got out. Games already gone only hope is a draw. 

[Laaloo]

13 hours ago, maniac said:

Rohit Sharma has never lost a final as a captain :)

 

Nidihas, Asia Cup, Chanpions league, IPL

Those are all irrelevant useless tourneys

[Stan AF]

I deny the very existence of talent itself in India. Even if it's there it's not enough.

[Stan AF]

2 hours ago, Laaloo said:

Those are all irrelevant useless tourneys

True.

[singhvivek141]

2 minutes ago, Stan AF said:

I deny the very existence of talent itself in India. Even if it's there it's not enough.

Talent is there, it's the will to back them ahead of seniors is what is missing.

Kohli, Rohit, Rahane, Pujara, KL they all seems to be playing under the fear of failure. Such timid approach isn't going to help anyone no matter how much talent he/she possess.

[Stan AF]

18 hours ago, Prabhdeep Singh said:

2014 T20 WC Final Vs SL (lost)

2015 ODI WC Semi Final Vs Aus (lost)

2016 T20 WC Semi Final Vs WI (lost)

2017 ODI CT Final Vs Pak (lost)

2019 ODI WC Semi Final Vs NZ (lost)

2021 WTC Final Vs NZ (lost)

2022 T20 WC Final Vs Eng (lost)

2023 WTC Final Vs Aus (?)

One small correction

 

2022 T20 semifinals vs England*. That too a 10 wicket thrashing

[Bigg Brother]

Where is talent btw. We have been playing talentless hacks since last 2 WTC finals and 2 wt20s. India is just not good enough. 

[Bigg Brother]

16 hours ago, maniac said:

Rohit Sharma has never lost a final as a captain :)

 

Nidihas, Asia Cup, Chanpions league, IPL

Comparing Nidahas with WTC final?  It is like "Dhoni fans" stuff...

[Stan AF]

7 minutes ago, singhvivek141 said:

Talent is there, it's the will to back them ahead of seniors is what is missing.

Kohli, Rohit, Rahane, Pujara, KL they all seems to be playing under the fear of failure. Such timid approach isn't going to help anyone no matter how much talent he/she possess.

This is where I have to disagree.

 

What talent do those above guys have other than repeatedly failing when it matters?

[Stan AF]

I consider guys like Sam Curran, stokes and someone like our own Rishabh Pant to have talent. People who do impossible things and make us situp and take notice.

 

Even for all the talent Bumrah has he's yet to win a trophy for India.

[Stan AF]

India in the last 10 years is equivalent to RCB.

 

Every other team beats them and goes on to win something.

[Vijy]

 talent without temperament or vice versa are both sub optimal. someone like stewie has both, as does root-a-toot

[nevada]

On 6/9/2023 at 8:19 AM, Vijy said:

 talent without temperament or vice versa are both sub optimal. someone like stewie has both, as does root-a-toot

Even a middling player can provide better returns than a talented AWOLer. Steve Waugh was not a special talent or anything, but his bloody minded determination earned him tons of runs and wins for his side in big matches. 

[Strangering]

Fitness

Mind and body need to be in pro shape to be successful at the highest level of any sport. Look at the fitness level in the NBA championships. 

[Lord]

On 6/7/2023 at 4:45 PM, vvvslaxman said:

Match winners are needed.  Match winners show up regardless of pressure.

how do you define match winners? Even Rohit has ability to win matches but hasn't performed in any knockouts except v Bangers

[BlueBlood]

The pathetic idiocy of Rohit Sharma and the team selection committee overall is not picking horses for courses.

 

Umran Malik who would have shined in pace friendly tracks is picked for tours which suit Bhuvi kind of trundlers in India.

 

Then they lose confidence by TM and get discarded.

 

Imagine if we have Umran instead of Umesh Yadav - at least there would have been an X-factor.

 

Same with Kuldeep Yadav who wins MOTM and then gets discarded for Axar or Ashwin right after - two people who ONLY excel in sub-continent conditions and cannot make a match without pitch suiting them.

 

It's not even about bringing in Mohsin Khan or Bishnoi without any test experience. Kuldeep Yadav and even Umran Malik have enough international experience to excel in conditions like England.

 

As soon as Pant was gone, the results were 100% predictable. We saw Thakur score a valiant 50, Jadeja doing his part as all-rounder but we missed one big scorer in WTC like Travis Head. We ALL knew Rohit, Pujara, Rahane, KS Bharat and Kohli at the stage of their career are incapable of an innings like Travis Head.

 

So, we only had one player - Shubman Gill who could play such an innings but throwing him to the wolves that too as an opener was always bound to be an issue. I am sure Australia did enough research on Gill.

 

Now the same people complaining will forget in a fattu West Indies tour coming up where Rohit Sharma will bring back "Aggressive Bazball" play and dominate a hapless West Indies and claim WTC was a "one-off" failure. He is already claiming they need a best of 3 in WTC - would he say the same had India won?

 

The West Indies tour as usual make everything brushed under the carpet. Every time we lose some tour we have a minnow bashing bilateral series where even opposition teams don't take seriously.