Ponting wants ball change during Australia second innings to be 'investigated'

[coffee_rules]

https://www.espncricinfo.com/story/ricky-ponting-oval-test-ball-change-investigated-1390303

 

 

Ponting, the former Australia captain, suggested the umpires had either been "blasé" in their approach to changing the ball, or had not been given an appropriate replacement in the box of balls brought onto the pitch by the fourth umpire, David Millns.

 

"The biggest concern I have is the big discrepancy in the condition of the ball that was chosen to replace the one [that had gone out of shape]," Ponting said on Sky Sports. "There's no way in the world you can even look at those two balls there and say in any way are they comparable.

 

"At the end of the day, if you are going to change the ball, you want to make sure that you get it right, so [you make it] as close as you possibly can to the one that you're changing it from. Now if you have a look in that box, there weren't too many older-condition balls in there. There were some older ones that were picked up, the umpires looked at that and threw them back.

 

"I just cannot fathom how two international umpires that have done that a lot of times before can get that so wrong. That is a huge moment in this game, potentially a huge moment in the Test match, and something I think actually has to be investigated: whether there was the right condition of balls in the box, or the umpires have just, blasé, picked one out of there that they think will be okay to use."

 

A lot of whining there

[Lord]

@Kothili agrees

Edited July 31, 2023 by Lord

[putrevus]

Ponting is 100% right, there needs to be a rule change. Umpires have to get battting team also involved in ball selection.

 

Lot of transperency is needed here, who knows what types of balls were brought out and how old were they?

 

Cricket ball is the most important thing in Cricket.

[wazza]

10 minutes ago, coffee_rules said:

https://www.espncricinfo.com/story/ricky-ponting-oval-test-ball-change-investigated-1390303

 

 

Ponting, the former Australia captain, suggested the umpires had either been "blasé" in their approach to changing the ball, or had not been given an appropriate replacement in the box of balls brought onto the pitch by the fourth umpire, David Millns.

 

"The biggest concern I have is the big discrepancy in the condition of the ball that was chosen to replace the one [that had gone out of shape]," Ponting said on Sky Sports. "There's no way in the world you can even look at those two balls there and say in any way are they comparable.

 

"At the end of the day, if you are going to change the ball, you want to make sure that you get it right, so [you make it] as close as you possibly can to the one that you're changing it from. Now if you have a look in that box, there weren't too many older-condition balls in there. There were some older ones that were picked up, the umpires looked at that and threw them back.

 

"I just cannot fathom how two international umpires that have done that a lot of times before can get that so wrong. That is a huge moment in this game, potentially a huge moment in the Test match, and something I think actually has to be investigated: whether there was the right condition of balls in the box, or the umpires have just, blasé, picked one out of there that they think will be okay to use."

 

A lot of whining there

Chester himself talking about what constitutes cheating. Have a seat Ricky. Goodbye.

 

England sucks as well. 

 

 

[coffee_rules]

Crawley drops 

[ravishingravi]

Indeed. Ponting was on point. 

[Lord]

28 minutes ago, putrevus said:

Ponting is 100% right, there needs to be a rule change. Umpires have to get battting team also involved in ball selection.

 

Lot of transperency is needed here, who knows what types of balls were brought out and how old were they?

 

Cricket ball is the most important thing in Cricket.

 

I thought they involve batsmen. Insane if they don't .

[rkt.india]

Ponting is rightly miffed.

 

 

[R!TTER]

4 hours ago, Lord said:

I thought they involve batsmen. Insane if they don't .

They never involved batters in this, earlier IIRC the bowling team had a minor say(?) but it's all up to umps now.

Edited July 31, 2023 by R!TTER

[rkt.india]

Look at the condition of two balls. Changed one is almost new.

[putrevus]

Where is the spirit of the game from England.

 

First Stokes continuing with his appeal and then trying to get new ball for old ball.

[Lord]

24 minutes ago, R!TTER said:

They never involved batters in this, earlier IRRC the bowling team had a minor say(?) but it's all up to umps now.

Its fair if they don't involve either. Either both or none.

[ThirtyD.]

27 minutes ago, rkt.india said:

Ponting is rightly miffed.

 

 

 

That is atrocious! Dharmasena just happens to be involved in such decision making in games involving England...

[putrevus]

26 minutes ago, R!TTER said:

They never involved batters in this, earlier IRRC the bowling team had a minor say(?) but it's all up to umps now.

They better change it based on umpires incompetence here .That incompetence has changed complete series on its head.

 

I am not going as far as accusing them of bias but if Aussies think like that, they are not wrong.

 

Dharmasena was involved in another major blunder which gifted England world cup.

 

 

 

 

[vvvslaxman]

15 minutes ago, Lord said:

Its fair if they don't involve either. Either both or none.

 

Yes they don't involve players. In the recent WI series they changed the ball 4 times when India bowled. WI fans were crying foul.

[Lord]

1 minute ago, vvvslaxman said:

 

Yes they don't involve players. In the recent WI series they changed the ball 4 times when India bowled. WI fans were crying foul.

 

Maybe Dukes are going out of shape far too much

 

WI also use Dukes.

 

Maybe they need to adopt different brand that stays for long.

[vvvslaxman]

4 minutes ago, Lord said:

 

Maybe Dukes are going out of shape far too much

 

WI also use Dukes.

 

Maybe they need to adopt different brand that stays for long.

 

Bishop explained. That was a bad batch.

[Serpico]

Dukes are hand made. So each ball is slightly different from another anyway 

[Gollum]

Looks like organized cheating to me, ECB hand could be involved. 

[Nikhil_cric]

17 hours ago, coffee_rules said:

https://www.espncricinfo.com/story/ricky-ponting-oval-test-ball-change-investigated-1390303

 

 

Ponting, the former Australia captain, suggested the umpires had either been "blasé" in their approach to changing the ball, or had not been given an appropriate replacement in the box of balls brought onto the pitch by the fourth umpire, David Millns.

 

"The biggest concern I have is the big discrepancy in the condition of the ball that was chosen to replace the one [that had gone out of shape]," Ponting said on Sky Sports. "There's no way in the world you can even look at those two balls there and say in any way are they comparable.

 

"At the end of the day, if you are going to change the ball, you want to make sure that you get it right, so [you make it] as close as you possibly can to the one that you're changing it from. Now if you have a look in that box, there weren't too many older-condition balls in there. There were some older ones that were picked up, the umpires looked at that and threw them back.

 

"I just cannot fathom how two international umpires that have done that a lot of times before can get that so wrong. That is a huge moment in this game, potentially a huge moment in the Test match, and something I think actually has to be investigated: whether there was the right condition of balls in the box, or the umpires have just, blasé, picked one out of there that they think will be okay to use."

 

A lot of whining there

He's not wrong at all. The Aussies and Indians should raise a hue and a cry and get ICC to have stronger legislations on the supply of balls.

 

English pundits like Rob Key and Alastair Cook whinged about pitches in India but unless there is deliberate pitch tampering, it is the same for both sides. If India lose the toss on a deteriorating pitch, we will have to bat last and it requires extraordinary skill to win a Test so it's balanced.

 

As far as I know when a bilateral Test series is played, the only agreement is on the ball being of international standard and a certain manufacturer. This is provided by the home board. 

 

1. Dukes balls are variable even when picked from the same batch unlike the kookaburra which shows consistent performance atleast within a given batch.

 

England have used their knowledge of Dukes balls expertly in the past. 

 

AFAIK nothing stops home board from providing a different selection of Dukes to the visiting team from the home side even from the same batch. 

 

Jimmy often talked about the darker Dukes ball seaming and swinging more, albeit later than usual. 

 

2022 onwards the Dukes suffers a massive decrease in quality and needs constant replacement. 

 

So every time England feel that the ball they have is not moving enough, they  can get it changed till they get a ball they like. It's not that hard to get this current Dukes damages.  Some cross seam short pitched stuff and throwing it on the bounce etc. 

 

But the even bigger issue which is unregulated is the fact that home boards can provide balls from any batch. 

 

Most boards, and certainly Englamd, have many Dukes balls from before 2022. 

 

AFAIK there is no rule that balls have to only be from a particular batch. 

 

The ball that England got yesterday was not only much newer but Khawaja said that it hit the bat harder than any new ball in the entire series .

 

This ball was kicking off a day 5 Oval surface for Chris Woakes at 135 kph when Pat Cummins on day 1 had to bowl 90 mph to get anything on day 1. 

 

I think the replacement was  from the pre 2022 batch of Dukes. No wonder it held shape and swung, seamed and zipped off the surface for so long . 

Edited August 1, 2023 by Nikhil_cric