putrevus Posted August 16, 2023 Posted August 16, 2023 51 minutes ago, Nikhil_cric said: No it's not. Batting and aggressive batting lineups generally win World Cups. Between the 2 you always compensate bowling strength if you don't have a choice. Who said that, India with all the batting depth only could score 260 in 2011 semfinals. Bowlers bailed them out then . India needs 4 bowlers plus two allrounders to compete. So it will be either Jadeja/Axar plus Pandya plus 4 bowlers.
Nikhil_cric Posted August 16, 2023 Posted August 16, 2023 23 minutes ago, Norman said: This 100% People here just cannot digest the fact that we cannot afford Pandya and Jadeja at 6 and 7 while having a pathetic 8-11 who can't muster up 20 runs to save their lives. Having 6 out and out bowling options is not a necessity but a luxury that teams like England can afford thanks to their insane depth upto no.11. Need to go back to what MSD did in 2011 and have 7 genuine batting options while somehow getting 10 overs from two of them. Not just that. Teams that have batsmen until 6 are already considered bowling heavy sides. Teams that bat until 7 are considered batting heavy . Australia went in extra batting heavy in 2015 with 7 batsmen and Faulkner at 8! India are just being stupid by playing only 5 batsmen. No team has won playing that extra bowling heavy balance and no team will. One torrid spell of bowling in the PP will remove top 3 and then we will start tuk tukking because we don't have depth. We won't chase or set above par scores then AKane, rollingstoned, Norman and 1 other 4
Nikhil_cric Posted August 16, 2023 Posted August 16, 2023 3 minutes ago, putrevus said: Who said that, India with all the batting depth only could score 260 in 2011 semfinals. Bowlers bailed them out then . India needs 4 bowlers plus two allrounders to compete. So it will be either Jadeja/Axar plus Pandya plus 4 bowlers. Batting depth is what allowed India to score 260 in the first place. Raina at 7 was crucial. And no, part timer Yuvraj struck crucial blows to derail their chase. raki05 1
AKane Posted August 16, 2023 Posted August 16, 2023 Trouble is all the four bowlers are dud batsmen. Bumrah,Shami,Siraj + Kuldeep None can bat. So India does not bat past 7. That is just the way it is unless you replace Kuldeep with Axar which makes the attack much less potent. express bowling and raki05 2
Suhaan Posted August 16, 2023 Posted August 16, 2023 8 minutes ago, AKane said: Trouble is all the four bowlers are dud batsmen. Bumrah,Shami,Siraj + Kuldeep None can bat. So India does not bat past 7. That is just the way it is unless you replace Kuldeep with Axar which makes the attack much less potent. Same was the problem in 2019 raki05, AKane and express bowling 3
putrevus Posted August 16, 2023 Posted August 16, 2023 51 minutes ago, Nikhil_cric said: Batting depth is what allowed India to score 260 in the first place. Raina at 7 was crucial. And no, part timer Yuvraj struck crucial blows to derail their chase. That was Yuvi bowling full quota, Yuvi if he was playing today would not be bowling full quota due field restrictions. Zak could bat , so could Bhajji. Bhajji won a match hitting six that too off Akthar. What did that extra batsman do in the chase of 350 in 2003. If you need extra batsman to score 260, you don't deserve to win the cup. These days Indian bowlers cannot bat a lick.
express bowling Posted August 16, 2023 Posted August 16, 2023 1 hour ago, Suhaan said: Who could be your starting pacers in WC? Bumrah Siraj / Prasidh .... based on pitch Hardik Assuming it is not a pitch that can support 4 quicks. Suhaan, Mosher and raki05 3
express bowling Posted August 16, 2023 Posted August 16, 2023 1 hour ago, AKane said: Trouble is all the four bowlers are dud batsmen. Bumrah,Shami,Siraj + Kuldeep None can bat. So India does not bat past 7. That is just the way it is unless you replace Kuldeep with Axar which makes the attack much less potent. I would go with spin bowling all-rounders at 7 and 8, Kuldeep and 2 proper quicks. If it is a green track then replace Kuldeep with 3rd proper quick. Mosher, raki05, Suhaan and 1 other 4
vvvslaxman Posted August 16, 2023 Posted August 16, 2023 3 hours ago, Norman said: This 100% People here just cannot digest the fact that we cannot afford Pandya and Jadeja at 6 and 7 while having a pathetic 8-11 who can't muster up 20 runs to save their lives. Having 6 out and out bowling options is not a necessity but a luxury that teams like England can afford thanks to their insane depth upto no.11. Need to go back to what MSD did in 2011 and have 7 genuine batting options while somehow getting 10 overs from two of them. India lacks guys like Marcus Stoinis, Maxwell who are primarily big hitters and can contribute with ball. Both are stunning fielders as well. Proper 3D players. India does not need 5 perfect bowlers. Infact even very good bowlers can travel on a flat wicket. Down the order batsmen should be able to both build and hit. Unfortunately they are just not bad batsmen also bad fielders Norman, rollingstoned and raki05 1 2
Majestic Posted August 17, 2023 Posted August 17, 2023 8 hours ago, vvvslaxman said: India lacks guys like Marcus Stoinis, Maxwell who are primarily big hitters and can contribute with ball. Both are stunning fielders as well. Proper 3D players. India does not need 5 perfect bowlers. Infact even very good bowlers can travel on a flat wicket. Down the order batsmen should be able to both build and hit. Unfortunately they are just not bad batsmen also bad fielders Jadeja is completely useless in ODIs. rollingstoned 1
deepdynamo Posted August 17, 2023 Posted August 17, 2023 India need batsman who can bowl and not bits n pieces like Axar and Shardul. Bits and pieces works in T20s but not in ODIs. That is why Tilak ia needed along with Pandya and Jadeja to bowl 20 overs between them ans also allowing an extra batsman like Sky to be in finisher role ( just like Raina). I strongly believe this playing XI can work. Rohit Gull Kohli Tilak KL Pandya Sky Jadeja Kuldeep Bumrah Siraj Reserves: Jaiswal or Iyer Shami Axar or Shardul Yuzi
express bowling Posted August 17, 2023 Posted August 17, 2023 (edited) How is Tilak Verma's bowling ? Can he send down 5 overs every match ? If so then he can be one of our spin bowling allrounders and share the 5th bowler's load with Hardik. Edited August 17, 2023 by express bowling Sgattick10, Suhaan, raki05 and 1 other 4
deepdynamo Posted August 17, 2023 Posted August 17, 2023 Just now, express bowling said: How is Tilak Verma's bowling ? Can he send down 5 overs overs match ? If so then he can be one of our spin bowling allrounders and share the 5th bowler's load with Hardik. Tilak could have easily bowled in all 3 ODI and 5 T20..that would have tested him throughly... Still can test him Asia Cup. express bowling 1
raki05 Posted August 17, 2023 Posted August 17, 2023 Why everyone is backing Rahul, i am not sure. Gollum, AKane, Frustrated and 2 others 3 2
Frustrated Posted August 17, 2023 Posted August 17, 2023 5 minutes ago, raki05 said: Why everyone is backing Rahul, i am not sure. To make Loli & Fatman look better. raki05 1
singhvivek141 Posted August 17, 2023 Posted August 17, 2023 5 minutes ago, raki05 said: Why everyone is backing Rahul, i am not sure. This is a sign that Indian Cricket is doomed We're pinning our hopes on mental midgets like KL, Chahal etc raki05 and rollingstoned 2
Frustrated Posted August 17, 2023 Posted August 17, 2023 19 minutes ago, singhvivek141 said: This is a sign that Indian Cricket is doomed We're pinning our hopes on mental midgets like KL, Chahal etc Chahal is a physical midget as well. singhvivek141, AKane and raki05 3
Majestic Posted August 17, 2023 Posted August 17, 2023 25 minutes ago, raki05 said: Why everyone is backing Rahul, i am not sure. I assume it's a case of keeping hope on someone when nother option is there to keep any hope on. Reasons being : 1. Pant and Shreyas are injured. No update on Shreyas fitness either. 2.SKY has failed to create any mark in ODIs. 3. Samson seems to have similar problem on lines of KL, catchy on eyes but seems vulnerable vs quality attacks. Can produce a terrible shot outta nowhere and get out. 4. Tilak and rest are still inexperienced and going into World Cups, team will figure out his weakness and restrict him to produce runs. 5. Kishan is not a good middle order option.
Suhaan Posted August 17, 2023 Posted August 17, 2023 1 hour ago, deepdynamo said: Tilak could have easily bowled in all 3 ODI and 5 T20..that would have tested him throughly... Still can test him Asia Cup. Actually, unfortunately this side too has more than one power centres ,so each one tries to evolve strong look like they are capay enough to lead the side beyond Rohit and Kohli One such figure in recent times is Pandya,he too just to secure wins was going for safer options and route Tilak,Jaiswal all could have been used more Infact bilaterals are mostly used as preparation ground by sides,and they try deserving candidates This was refreshing to see Tilak,Jaiswal else this time too they could have tried musical chair participants Yes,very little time there, whatever little it is we should harness their skills atleast for the next event tweaker and express bowling 2
Lone Wolf Posted August 17, 2023 Posted August 17, 2023 Finally Ganju gone... Iyer unlikely to make it. Frustrated 1
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