Shami vs Shardul - What is your pick ?

[Need4Speed]

1 hour ago, Lord said:

but Thakur on current doesn't add much to it. It's just fake batting depth. 

 

Batting is ending at 6 anyway. Others will only support.

thats right there..he just gives you fake batting depth..with being a hittable bowler

[IndianRenegade]

The problem for us has been same for quite some time, none of our all rounders except for Pandya are reliable with the bat. This means our batters need to be conservative so as to not expose the tail soon. Shardul is a placebo to our batting order, he doesn't really solve our issues with the tail but it may help our batters at the top to play more freely. 

 

At the end of the day Shami or Shardul depends on the conditions, fitness (long tournament so we need to rest some players) & opposition. Tough call for the management.

 

Thakur's record compared to Haris & Shami this year seems to suggest he isn't that bad with the ball. Although the quality of wickets might tell a different story.

Edited September 22, 2023 by IndianRenegade

[sandeep]

1 hour ago, putrevus said:

 Pandya is number 6 for India. Jadeja/Sundar/Ashwin are number 7.There is no number 6 that is why I was hoping Tilak will be selected.

 

If Tilak plays, it gives batsmen more freedom. If his bowling is as good Mathew Short then what is stopping them from picking him.

 

Thakur then would not needed for any match at all.

 

 

This is why I desperately wanted Washington Sundar to be an ODI regular 18 months ahead of the WC.  Heck I'd still pick him ahead of even Jadeja.  Trust his batting a LOT more than Jaddu, and I don't think his bowling is as much of a downgrade from Jaddu either.  Fielding yes.  

[express bowling]

Shardul should not be playing.

 

He scores 12 runs per innings in ODIs and that does not warrant his selection as an allrounder as there are much better bowlers than him. 

 

Rotate one among Prasidh, Shami or a spinner-allrounder, based on conditions, in his place.

Edited September 22, 2023 by express bowling

[putrevus]

30 minutes ago, sandeep said:

This is why I desperately wanted Washington Sundar to be an ODI regular 18 months ahead of the WC.  Heck I'd still pick him ahead of even Jadeja.  Trust his batting a LOT more than Jaddu, and I don't think his bowling is as much of a downgrade from Jaddu either.  Fielding yes.  

Personally I don't think Sundar is number 6.He is little better version of Ashwin at number 8 with far inferior bowling ability.Tilak can be that number 6 , he has looked good so far where ever he has played.But Dravid seems to have closed the door on him.

 

If Tilak is good at number 6.Yuvi made his debut in big tournament, why can't Tilak do it?

 

India instantly becomes a  far better balanced  team. Thakur is not needed then.

 

Imagine a bowling lineup Bumrah,Shami,Siraj, Pandya and Kuldeep with Ashwin/jadeja/Sundar doing that fifth bowler's role

 

It is long tournament there wil be some more injuries on the way. Hoping for the best..

[vvvslaxman]

 

Shivam Dube

Rishi Dhawan

Vijay Shankar

Venkatesh Iyer

Shardul Thakur

Deepak Chahar

Hardik Pandya

Mohammad Shami

Shami

Umesh

Kishan

 

Who said India doesn't have fast bowling all rounders

[Majestic]

1 minute ago, vvvslaxman said:

 

Shivam Dube

Rishi Dhawan

Vijay Shankar

Venkatesh Iyer

Shardul Thakur

Deepak Chahar

Hardik Pandya

Mohammad Shami

Shami

Umesh

Kishan

 

Who said India doesn't have fast bowling all rounders

Also, Majestic as well.

[IndianRenegade]

48 minutes ago, vvvslaxman said:

 

Shivam Dube

Rishi Dhawan

Vijay Shankar

Venkatesh Iyer

Shardul Thakur

Deepak Chahar

Hardik Pandya

Mohammad Shami

Shami

Umesh

Kishan

 

Who said India doesn't have fast bowling all rounders

You forgot the greatest & literal all rounder!

[sensible-indian]

6 minutes ago, IndianRenegade said:

You forgot the greatest & literal all rounder!

Loved this guy.

[vvvslaxman]

Here is the thing

 

Both can be heroes and villains depending on each day.  Shami is predictable. Sometimes that is his strength. That is also his weakness  Thakur is unpredictable. That is his strength also his weakness.  But if Shami is in rhythm he is one of the best bowler like Boult when he is in his rhythm. TOo bad we don't have a "rhythm meter" :) SO we have to go by the recent performances

[Majestic]

Keep Shami on toes, he finds rythm when he gets dropped and produce a good performance. If he feels his spot is permanent, he won't be producing such spells.

[cowboysfan]

well according to Cricinfo they are not fighting for the same spot so this debate is moot.Personally i always pick the better bowler but i sadly feel cricinfo is right.

[Nikhil_cric]

There is no comparison. Neither can bowl at the death but Shami offers a lot more elsewhere. Thakur is not a proper bowler on his own.  Shami's line can be problematic but he nailed his first over yesterday and the only concern is his fitness.  Otherwise, he's a much superior bowler and adds more value as a bowler than Thakur as an all-rounder.

 

There has to be at least one more genuine seamer in the squad in place of one of the 2nd spin all-rounder .  

 

Ideally, remove both Thakur and the extra spin- allrounder and get Prasidh and another genuine seamer in.

 

Seamers are gonna get you the Cup, not finger spinners who can barely bat.  Also allows you to play the extra batter .

[Lord]

Mohammed Shami vs Sharul Thakur - the India World Cup debate that never was | ESPNcricinfo

 

 

[vvvslaxman]

13 hours ago, Nikhil_cric said:

There is no comparison. Neither can bowl at the death but Shami offers a lot more elsewhere. Thakur is not a proper bowler on his own.  Shami's line can be problematic but he nailed his first over yesterday and the only concern is his fitness.  Otherwise, he's a much superior bowler and adds more value as a bowler than Thakur as an all-rounder.

 

There has to be at least one more genuine seamer in the squad in place of one of the 2nd spin all-rounder .  

 

Ideally, remove both Thakur and the extra spin- allrounder and get Prasidh and another genuine seamer in.

 

Seamers are gonna get you the Cup, not finger spinners who can barely bat.  Also allows you to play the extra batter .

 

Parag in a domestic final yesterday

 

https://www.cricket.com/live-score/233264/scorecard/jkc-vs-asc-final-1st-bhairab-chandra-mahanti-memorial-t20-cricket-tournament-2023

 

119(56) with 9 sixes in a T20 batting at 4.

Also took 2 for 33 in 4 overs

 

We are stuck with fake all rounders.

[Nikhil_cric]

3 hours ago, vvvslaxman said:

 

Parag in a domestic final yesterday

 

https://www.cricket.com/live-score/233264/scorecard/jkc-vs-asc-final-1st-bhairab-chandra-mahanti-memorial-t20-cricket-tournament-2023

 

119(56) with 9 sixes in a T20 batting at 4.

Also took 2 for 33 in 4 overs

 

We are stuck with fake all rounders.

Yep.  This has been happening since 2015 World Cup when Rahane batted in the middle order and Jadeja flopped with both bat and ball. 

 

These guys live in an echo chamber and are unwilling to get out of it.

[Sooda]

On 9/22/2023 at 6:35 PM, Nikhil_cric said:

Why should it end at 6? 

 

7.Pandya

8.Bumrah

9. Shami

10. Kuldeep

11. Bumrah

 

That is around 47 solid overs. Play the extra batter and get 3 overs of part time.  That's enough  

 

 

Sorry if this has been asked before, but from who? If Hardik or indeed any of those listed 5 has a bad day. Say Kuldeep is really targetted, we need a fall back option. The 6th bowling option has to be decent to good - not relying on Virat who hasnt bowled in years.

[Lord]

11 hours ago, vvvslaxman said:

 

Parag in a domestic final yesterday

 

https://www.cricket.com/live-score/233264/scorecard/jkc-vs-asc-final-1st-bhairab-chandra-mahanti-memorial-t20-cricket-tournament-2023

 

119(56) with 9 sixes in a T20 batting at 4.

Also took 2 for 33 in 4 overs

 

We are stuck with fake all rounders.

 

lol thats club level. Not even listed on Cricinfo as a domestic game.

 

All the guys playing for us would also dominate such games. The gap is too huge.

 

Parag needs to do well in bigger matches. So far he's flopped in IPL and Emerging players tourney. That goes against him.

 

He's one for the future but nowhere close to international cricket as of now.

[Nikhil_cric]

11 minutes ago, Sooda said:

 

 

Sorry if this has been asked before, but from who? If Hardik or indeed any of those listed 5 has a bad day. Say Kuldeep is really targetted, we need a fall back option. The 6th bowling option has to be decent to good - not relying on Virat who hasnt bowled in years.

If your best bowlers are getting hit, there's no need for a fall back option. If your best bowlers are getting hit, that's a risk that a team has to be prepared to take. Even Zampa got for 110 runs recently. Australia didn't panic and play extra bowlers and reduce batting strength.

 

Besides, if Kuldeep is getting hit, there's no guarantee that Jadeja won't. 

 

You have batting until 7 to chase 330 scores. 

[Nikhil_cric]

2 minutes ago, Lord said:

 

lol thats club level. Not even listed on Cricinfo as a domestic game.

 

All the guys playing for us would also dominate such games. The gap is too huge.

 

Parag needs to do well in bigger matches. So far he's flopped in IPL and Emerging players tourney. That goes against him.

 

He's one for the future but nowhere close to international cricket as of now.

He's outdone someone like Washington Sundar in Deodhar and they are considering Washi as Axar replacement. SKY has hit even more mediocre attacks in VH and doesn't even bowl much. Parag hit good attacks in VH and bowled very decently. 

 

IPL is no standard to judge 50 overs cricketers