NZ has mentally scarred our star spinner Kuldeep, while our batters have treated Santner as some sort of legend.

[Vijy]

23 minutes ago, vvvslaxman said:

 

We have to distinguish the difference. Santner is a fantastic possibly the best defensive spinner in the world. Kuldeep yadav on the other hand can leave you bamboozled. Fantastic offensive bowler.  This was probably the toughest track he had to bowl with no turn on offer and up against a proactive tall guy who used his long levers to good effect. Still almost got him.

klaasen is better than mitchel. kuldeep needs to learn how to cramp such batters for room

[vvvslaxman]

6 minutes ago, Vijy said:

klaasen is better than mitchel. kuldeep needs to learn how to cramp such batters for room

 

India should use it to their advantage. It will be a challenge. India cannot be scared of one guy and drop spinners against SA. All the other guys are not that good against spin.  If anything Klassen thrashed seamers as well.

[Vijy]

5 minutes ago, vvvslaxman said:

 

India should use it to their advantage. It will be a challenge. India cannot be scared of one guy and drop spinners against SA. All the other guys are not that good against spin.  If anything Klassen thrashed seamers as well.

they should work out a proper plan and execute it

[nitinbwj]

Kuldeep's first 5 ovrs - 48 runs - 0 wkts

Last 5 - 25 runs 2 wickets

 

Bumrah dropped Mitchell in Kuldeep's 6th over when Mitchell was on 69. We would have been chasing 30 runs less had he taken the catch.

Edited October 23, 2023 by nitinbwj

[Vijy]

1 minute ago, nitinbwj said:

Kuldeep's first 5 ovrs - 48 runs - 0 wkts

Last 5 - 25 runs 2 wickets

 

Bumrah dropped Mitchell in his 6th over when Mitchell was on 69. We would have been chasing 30 runs less had he taken the catch.

butterfingers boomer

[bsriharsha]

2 hours ago, Vijy said:

klaasen is better than mitchel. kuldeep needs to learn how to cramp such batters for room

 

It's not a given that Klassen would fire every match. Also there are other bowlers around who can take Klassen's wicket. 

 

A wrist spinner is always liable to concede some boundaries but the attacking option he provides more than makes up for it 

[Need4Speed]

Not only Klassen we shoukd prepare against other good batsmen too and back yourself…Klassen may be good against spin..but its not easy to pick Kuldeep’s variations..so Kuldeep shoukd crrate some chances too if they attack him..

[vvvslaxman]

10 minutes ago, bsriharsha said:

 

It's not a given that Klassen would fire every match. Also there are other bowlers around who can take Klassen's wicket. 

 

A wrist spinner is always liable to concede some boundaries but the attacking option he provides more than makes up for it 

 

THis pitch had 0 turn for Kuldeep. It allowed him to hit through the line. This pitch required defensive bowling from spinners not offensive line. A wrist spinner cannot be defensive. He still has to use his guile. Same Daryl Mitchell couldn't read Kuldeep in a bilateral and trapped infront. This wicket helped Mitchell get away with those big hits.

[Number]

26 minutes ago, vvvslaxman said:

 

THis pitch had 0 turn for Kuldeep. It allowed him to hit through the line. This pitch required defensive bowling from spinners not offensive line. A wrist spinner cannot be defensive. He still has to use his guile. Same Daryl Mitchell couldn't read Kuldeep in a bilateral and trapped infront. This wicket helped Mitchell get away with those big hits.

Also never a bad thing if the batsman has no choice but use his feet to hit you out. That means spinner has forced the batter to take the last resort. 

I said in match thread as well, I would be more worried if he was easily milked for 1s and 2s without any risk.

Edited October 23, 2023 by Number

[vvvslaxman]

Just now, Number said:

Also never a bad thing if the batsman has no choice but use his feet to hit you out. That means spinner has forced him to take last resort. 

I said in match thread as well, I would be more worried if he was milked for 1s and 2s without any risk.

 

True. Hope teams back him fully. I have no disappointment one bit. He did not bowl bad balls. He had to take a lot of risk. It worked only because of the nature of the surface. It was slow pitch no turn. So he couldn't beat him either with speed or turn. It is just one of those days. But he paid a lot of respect to Jadeja as he was bowling defensively not leaving the stumps

[Stuge]

Catch was dropped on his bowling..He still bowled well to take two wickets .

[Norman]

"Mentally scarred" 

 

Matlab kuch bhi ..

[jf1gp_1]

Maybe I was watching a different game but I only saw 2 bad overs from Kuldeep. Did you watch his 9th and 10th over ? He looked like getting wicket every word  Scarred is poor choice of word. 

[dilliboy]

He had a bad first spell but came back strongly to pick 2 wickets in the second half...there is no mental scarring lol. Everyone can have a bad few overs especially spinners on a small ground.

[nitinbwj]

Zampa was smashed for 113 by Klaasen not too long ago. That should have ended his career? He picked up a 4fer against pak recently. Happens sometimes. 

[saneindian]

"Mentally scarred" guy who turned the match in our favour with the wickets of Latham and Phillips?

 

Talk about hyperbole.

[Lone Wolf]

Don't think he was mentally scarred...  It was good experience that some one went after him.  Once Kuldeep went a bit wide he was harder to take down.. 

He should use this tactic from time to time.  

Even Adil Rashid adopts this plan.  Got SKY similar way in WT20 Semi. 

[diga]

13 hours ago, helperononline said:

Not only santner even rachin was bowling well. We are missing left hander in the middle order. I feel shreyas should be replaced with ishan.

+1 .. Shreyas is the designated spin hitter, but he has underperformed so far

[Gambit]

Kuldeep scarred? OP needs to stop following the game on Cricinfo/Cricbuzz. On the contrary, this was a test of his mental makeup, a known weakness of his, and his second spell where he just went for 5 runs per over with 2 wickets demonstrated his evolution as a bowler. His redemption arc will be complete next Sunday against England.

[Gambit]

On 10/24/2023 at 3:29 PM, Gambit said:

Kuldeep scarred? OP needs to stop following the game on Cricinfo/Cricbuzz. On the contrary, this was a test of his mental makeup, a known weakness of his, and his second spell where he just went for 5 runs per over with 2 wickets demonstrated his evolution as a bowler. His redemption arc will be complete next Sunday against England.

Bumping this.

 

How clutch has Kuldeep been. The second spell against NZ at Dharamshala and the last 2 overs in the semi are testament of his mental fortitude. 
 

Whoever is responsible for his return (Rohit, Dravid etc) deserve appreciation for backing him. Now, he needs to be part of all test squads.