India v New Zealand : 1st Semi Final : Pre-match discussion thread

[Lone Wolf]

22 minutes ago, Lord said:

 

This game 

 

https://www.espncricinfo.com/series/new-zealand-in-india-2017-18-1120077/india-vs-new-zealand-1st-odi-1120090/full-scorecard

 

Thala with a majestic 25 off 42  

 

 

Jadhav DK Washed up MSD....  This game should have been a wake up call for 2019 WC...  Kohli was at his peak & we won the decider. 

[Serpico]

 

 

 

 

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[Serpico]

Boult giving hints that another football score loading? 

[Lord]

 

[Austin 3:!6]

17 minutes ago, Lord said:

 

 

This game I remember very well....I was in India at that time. So much hype for the tournament opener. India dished a rank turner thinking they will stream roll NZ. But Kiwi's read the pitch brilliantly and picked a spin friendly team and embarrassed India 

[Swag]

Keeping emotions aside, man to man, India are a better unit than NZ. 

Our batsmen and bowlers are a rung above.

All a battle of nerves/mentality, believe our team has turned the corner this time.

 

[vvvslaxman]

Gill averages close to 100 against NZ in the last 2 years. He left psychological scarson them. I understand they will plan for everyone like Iyer, Kohli, Rohitwho himself has done well against NZ with an average of 63.  But their major plan will be against GIll. If he somehow finds his form it will be great. Then SKY is another guy who can bully these army of trundlers. India just has to adapt and play accordingly. I am  bit worried about Iyer. They will have  two card trick against him. Ful ball followed by bouncer or vice versa. Hope he doesn't get tempted. He does well against them generally. This is where guys like Rohit/Kohli have to step up. Iyer is the biggest santner killer we have.

[EnterTheVoid]

5 hours ago, coffee_rules said:

Where are your loyalties? India or NZ? Just curious. Will you support India wearing All Blacks?

 

I am supporting India. Have always supported India over NZ.

I am just amazed a country with a grand total of 6 million and for whom cricket is not their primary sport, they perform better than us in crunch matches.

[vvvslaxman]

19 minutes ago, EnterTheVoid said:

 

I am supporting India. Have always supported India over NZ.

I am just amazed a country with a grand total of 6 million and for whom cricket is not their primary sport, they perform better than us in crunch matches.

 

Cricket is a game of strategies more than you think. If someone is smarter he can bridge the gap drastically. If the opposition captain is dumber the gap will be even closer.

[deathmonger]

26 minutes ago, EnterTheVoid said:

 

I am supporting India. Have always supported India over NZ.

I am just amazed a country with a grand total of 6 million and for whom cricket is not their primary sport, they perform better than us in crunch matches.

NZ is also a first world country and has all the advantages of a first world country - analytics, fitness etc. They maximize potential as much as possible.

 

Sports are ultimately a rich man's plaything.

 

As Ind becomes richer, they will keep getting better (As they have been since the 2000s once the first batch of players to have started playing since 92 reforms).

 

One of the good things about better systems is injury management via which Bumrah and Shami have been able to fulfill their initial promise despite injuries etc. Compare to the mid 00s crop we had - Irfan, RP, Nehra etc who we couldn't take to the next level. Pakistan has this issue with guys like Junaid, Amir, Hasan Ali getting injured and returning a pale shadow of themselves. Shaheen currently. Maybe Naseem next.

Edited November 13, 2023 by deathmonger

[AKane]

1 hour ago, EnterTheVoid said:

I am just amazed a country with a grand total of 6 million and for whom cricket is not their primary sport, they perform better than us in crunch matches.

Then consider Uruguay in soccer - pop 3.4 million and they can play with anybody. Play with a Argentina with just a little lower skill but match Italy in toughness in a WC game.

[vvvslaxman]

21 minutes ago, AKane said:

Then consider Uruguay in soccer - pop 3.4 million and they can play with anybody. Play with a Argentina with just a little lower skill but match Italy in toughness in a WC game.

 

People have to understand how many people actually pursue cricket as a career. When you calculate the raw numbers it is less than you think. India's strength is going to be the bench strength. Karun Nairs, Manoj Tiwarys, Manish pandeys probably would still be playing for some other side.   Even Chahal, Bishnoi will have a shot. Sundar may be a regular for some other team.  Too bad cricket is just a XI player game.   

[BlueBee]

Hope this match puts an end to our bad performance in knockouts. 

[vvvslaxman]

6 hours ago, Serpico said:

Boult giving hints that another football score loading? 

Even with that football score card we still could have won the match with a bit of juidicial shot selection in the middle overs.  First Pant holing out, Immediately Pandya holing out. So many things went in their favor. Direct hit  with one stump to aim at. That catch of DK was out of the world. He took it barely an inch above the ground.  I do not expect such a mess up with batting this time. But our bowling should be top notch.

[nitinbwj]

7 hours ago, Austin 3:!6 said:

 

This game I remember very well....I was in India at that time. So much hype for the tournament opener. India dished a rank turner thinking they will stream roll NZ. But Kiwi's read the pitch brilliantly and picked a spin friendly team and embarrassed India 

 

Santner (4) + Nathan Mccullum (2) + Sodhi (3) ------- 11 overs, 9 wickets, 46 runs

 

Jadeja + Ashwin - 2 wickets for 58 runs. 

 

Disaster!! 

Edited November 14, 2023 by nitinbwj

[deathmonger]

1 hour ago, vvvslaxman said:

Even with that football score card we still could have won the match with a bit of juidicial shot selection in the middle overs.  First Pant holing out, Immediately Pandya holing out. So many things went in their favor. Direct hit  with one stump to aim at. That catch of DK was out of the world. He took it barely an inch above the ground.  I do not expect such a mess up with batting this time. But our bowling should be top notch.

https://www.espncricinfo.com/series/india-in-new-zealand-2018-19-1153688/new-zealand-vs-india-5th-odi-1153695/full-scorecard

 

This should have been the template

[vvvslaxman]

33 minutes ago, deathmonger said:

https://www.espncricinfo.com/series/india-in-new-zealand-2018-19-1153688/new-zealand-vs-india-5th-odi-1153695/full-scorecard

 

This should have been the template

 

Yes take it deep and finish it. This is one team against which you can take it deep. They have zero death bowlers.  It is one thing losing to a good team. This was a crap team.

[deathmonger]

Just now, vvvslaxman said:

 

Yes take it deep and finish it. This is one team against which you can take it deep. They have zero death bowlers.  It is one thing losing to a good team. This was a crap team.

southee boult without swing are fodder 130kph bowlers.

[ravishingravi]

On the day folks. India is better side but on the day anyone can be an hero. All this chest thumping followed by wrist slitting would be pointless. 

[vvvslaxman]

9 minutes ago, ravishingravi said:

On the day folks. India is better side but on the day anyone can be an hero. All this chest thumping followed by wrist slitting would be pointless. 

 

No room for failure against a team like NZ.  I understand losing to Australia who has some elements that can completely shock us on a given day. But NZ's forces are controllable. So there will be serious backlash should they fail especially VK and RS fail one more time.