Will Kohli's absence from BGT 2020-21 and Anthony de Mello 2024 affect his legacy?

[SRT100]

21 hours ago, sensible-indian said:

BGT 2020-21 - yes.

 

Anthony de Mello 2024 - no

 

Problem is Kohli has gone missing in many high profile home series.

 

2012 Eng series (he was a newbie but he actually looked very good in the middle but kept getting out) - won't hold this against him

2015 SA series

2017 Aus series

2021 Eng series

2024 Eng series

 

The series where he did well and plundered runs

 

2016 NZ series (Kolkata knock on that up and down pitch was amazingggg - followed by a double ton)

2016 Eng series (man of the series)

2023 Aus series (played a crucial role in one of the 2 tests we won and scored big in the last test)

 

The series he slapped around some damn minnows

 

SL series 2017 and one more I forgot

SA series 2019

 

Double centuries galore where he boosted his numbers massively.

 

Kohli the test batsman has a huge legacy overseas.

At home, he was ok (massively underperformed with respect to his talent and ability - his game against spin deteriorated a lot).

 

 

Lets not forget the infamous Australian series where he abandoned the team and country after the 36 all out in Adelaide and the team ended up winning the series.

[nitinbwj]

If he skips IPL too,Fine.

[putrevus]

4 hours ago, Forever Indian said:

 

There are so many better Indian test batsmen like Sehwag, Dravid, Laxman especially in term of impact.

 

He is an ATG batsman in LOIs but a level below in Tests especially when it comes to our biggest series wins...

Are you kidding, No He better than everyone of them in tests too, Laxaman was one team pony, Sehwag was a tailender outside Asia.

 

 

Dravid was impactless batsmen .Kohli is far better test batsman than any of them.That too with this 3 year slide.

 

He is best all time white ball batsman. He is ATG in tests.

 

 

 

[putrevus]

Only morons think he left the team afrter 36 all out. He already announced he would go after first test.

 

Idiots think they have right to tell what any player should do or should not do. It is his personal life, he is allowed to do what he wants to do.As long as team management and selectors are in the loop then he has nothing to worry about.

 

 

[jf1gp_1]

Actually what this series has shown is we can live without rohit, virat, ashwin and jaddu. Sure we will lose a few but at least we will move forward

[Gollum]

Just now, jf1gp_1 said:

Actually what this series has shown is we can live without rohit, virat, ashwin and jaddu. Sure we will lose a few but at least we will move forward

Yeah time up for oldies, also add Shami. 

[VT87]

9 hours ago, Gollum said:

Kohli fans on X are being very toxic, cheering Eng, mocking Indian players, wishing for us to lose. I think in their minds, if India wins this series in the absence (or non-contribution) of Kohli, his legacy will diminish. Already done twice, BGT 2017 and 20-21. 

 

Understandable because that will mean that Kohli isn't some special matchwinner and India does just fine in his absence. 

Bro most toxic fans I came across were Rohit’s fans and I have doubt regarding this series if  we lose the couple of tosses it will  turn out to be very nasty 

Edited February 10 by VT87

[Gollum]

3 hours ago, VT87 said:

Bro most toxic fans I came across were Rohit’s fans and I have doubt regarding this series if  we lose the couple of tosses it will  turn out to be very nasty 

Rohit, Kohli, Dhoni all 3 have extremely toxic fans, at par with rabid Salman, SRK fans. 

 

I have same thoughts as you bro, we need some luck to win this series, starting with toss. 

[kosingh]

In ODIs he is the GOAT.

 

He is also a very good test batsman. Among Indian test batsmen many of us would rank him 3 (behind SRT and SG), some might rank him 4 (behind RD). 

But where would he stand in the all time list of test batsmen worldwide? I don't think he makes it to the Top 20 all time. 

 

 

Edited February 11 by kosingh

[Soldier]

4 hours ago, kosingh said:

In ODIs he is the GOAT.

 

He is also a very good test batsmen. Among Indian test batsmen many of us would rank him 3 (behind SRT and SG), some might rank him 4 (behind RD). 

But where would he stand in the all time list of test batsmen worldwide? I don't think he makes it to the Top 20 all time. 

 

 

Dravid and laxman padded records on some ultra flat wickets in 2000 to 2010 era. In termd of peak ability yea top 5 for india. 

[I6MTW]

20 hours ago, Gollum said:

Rohit, Kohli, Dhoni all 3 have extremely toxic fans, at par with rabid Salman, SRK fans. 

 

I have same thoughts as you bro, we need some luck to win this series, starting with toss. 

Sachin as well. 

[adi B]

What legacy?? 

There are at least 4-5 test batters India have prodcued that were better than him and if we include bowlers or AR than at least 8-9 players who were bigger match winners than him.

His PR and lunatic fans can spit lie all they want but it ain't gonna change the facts 

Check Sehwag, laxman,Gavaskar,Dravid ,Sachin's stats after 100 test matches ,all had averages in the range of 49-56. 

 

All said ,his personal space should be respected and if he wants time out then fine.

But ideally BCCI or selectors shouldn't wait for him as if he's bigger than the game ,they should quickly look for his replacement at #4 position but who are we kidding ,he's the biggest money churner for the board and will be back for the IPL definitely. 

[putrevus]

Kohli legacy as greatest test captain from Asia and GOAT odi batsman is set.

 

Sachin was stats padder in tests but he was far better test batsman than Kohli. So was Gavaskar

 

VVS is not even fit to tie Kohli shoes laces as a test batsman.Neither does Sehwag or who Dravid was never main batsman on any team.

 

This is after Kohli's struggles over three years in all formats.

 

Edited February 11 by putrevus

[rollingstoned]

13 hours ago, putrevus said:

Kohli legacy as greatest test captain from Asia and GOAT odi batsman is set.

 

Sachin was stats padder in tests but he was far better test batsman than Kohli. So was Gavaskar

 

VVS is not even fit to tie Kohli shoes laces as a test batsman.Neither does Sehwag or who Dravid was never main batsman on any team.

 

This is after Kohli's struggles over three years in all formats.

 

If he finishes his test career with a 50+ avg he will make his case much stronger IMO. Some of the pitches in India have been quite difficult to bat on this past decade yet his home avg is impressive.

[New guy]

14 hours ago, putrevus said:

Kohli legacy as greatest test captain from Asia and GOAT odi batsman is set.

 

Sachin was stats padder in tests but he was far better test batsman than Kohli. So was Gavaskar

 

VVS is not even fit to tie Kohli shoes laces as a test batsman.Neither does Sehwag or who Dravid was never main batsman on any team.

 

This is after Kohli's struggles over three years in all formats.

 

It's hilarious that Kohli cult thinks that pulling down other legends somehow makes Kohli look better when it's the opposite, this is why Kohli gets so much hate.

 

In the end Kohli will end up probably averaging less than 50 in tests, and that's the minimum benchmark for a great Indian test batsman. 

[sensible-indian]

VVS might be regarded as an inferior bat to Kohli....

 

But in an all time XI, if there's a battle between these 2....I know who I am going for.

Edited February 12 by sensible-indian

[Vijy]

18 hours ago, New guy said:

It's hilarious that Kohli cult thinks that pulling down other legends somehow makes Kohli look better when it's the opposite, this is why Kohli gets so much hate.

 

In the end Kohli will end up probably averaging less than 50 in tests, and that's the minimum benchmark for a great Indian test batsman. 

seems likely. it was trending alarmingly downward

[nevada]

On 2/10/2024 at 5:21 PM, putrevus said:

Only morons think he left the team afrter 36 all out. He already announced he would go after first test.

 

Idiots think they have right to tell what any player should do or should not do. It is his personal life, he is allowed to do what he wants to do.As long as team management and selectors are in the loop then he has nothing to worry about.

 

 

He had pre-planned his exit after test 1, so it's true that he didn't abandon the team. But he couldn't digest the team winning without him and had his mouth piece Shastri and the media claim that it is Virat's team, he called up at midnight with great ideas, he has instilled toughness and character in the team and what not. Things got so toxic with jealous talk and noise that to cool down matters, Rahane had to issue a statement that it is Virat's team and he was only a stop gap captain. 

[putrevus]

On 2/11/2024 at 11:28 PM, rollingstoned said:

If he finishes his test career with a 50+ avg he will make his case much stronger IMO. Some of the pitches in India have been quite difficult to bat on this past decade yet his home avg is impressive.

He struggled mightly for 3 years plus  India has played on some of the most bowler friendly wickets during his time both home and away.

 

Yet his avg is near 50, if he finds himself in some runs, he should end up above 50 average.

[putrevus]

On 2/12/2024 at 12:57 AM, New guy said:

It's hilarious that Kohli cult thinks that pulling down other legends somehow makes Kohli look better when it's the opposite, this is why Kohli gets so much hate.

 

In the end Kohli will end up probably averaging less than 50 in tests, and that's the minimum benchmark for a great Indian test batsman. 

No need to pull anyone down. When people start comparing a guy like VVS , this is response they will get.

 

Kohli legacy is set as the greatest overall batsman of this generation along with being Goat whiteball batsman.

 

He does not need any more stats to prove his greatness.