putrevus Posted March 2 Share Posted March 2 (edited) Some geniuses think world cups are the only thing to cement legacy. Kallis never won a world cup but he is still best allrounder to have played this game.Nether did Malcolm Marshall.He is one of the great fast bowlers who have played this game.So is Dale Steyn. What these geniuses don't seem understand , it is still team game, you need a team to win. Sachin won world cup in 2011 in his sixth world cup. He did nothing in the world cup finals and others carried him to the glory.Does it mean Sachin was useless. Kohli has already won World cup as a player along with CT. If Yuvraj and Bumrah did not screw up in 2014 and 2016, he would have won t20 world cup too. Whingers talking about his legacy is very funny. Edited March 2 by putrevus Link to comment
Kron Posted March 2 Share Posted March 2 2 hours ago, putrevus said: Some geniuses think world cups are the only thing to cement legacy. Kallis never won a world cup but he is still best allrounder to have played this game.Nether did Malcolm Marshall.He is one of the great fast bowlers who have played this game.So is Dale Steyn. What these geniuses don't seem understand , it is still team game, you need a team to win. Sachin won world cup in 2011 in his sixth world cup. He did nothing in the world cup finals and others carried him to the glory.Does it mean Sachin was useless. Kohli has already won World cup as a player along with CT. If Yuvraj and Bumrah did not screw up in 2014 and 2016, he would have won t20 world cup too. Whingers talking about his legacy is very funny. Agree with everything except steyn part. He was a good odi bowler but never a great one. Even in tests he is a touch under true greats. Link to comment
Vijy Posted March 2 Share Posted March 2 (edited) 3 hours ago, Kron said: Agree with everything except steyn part. He was a good odi bowler but never a great one. Even in tests he is a touch under true greats. no, steyn is an ATG in tests. his performance dipped slightly in last ~10 tests, but was genuine ATG for vast majority of his career. Edited March 2 by Vijy rollingstoned 1 Link to comment
putrevus Posted March 2 Share Posted March 2 (edited) 2 hours ago, Kron said: Agree with everything except steyn part. He was a good odi bowler but never a great one. Even in tests he is a touch under true greats. He was injured otherwise he would have ended up with lot more wickets.He is true modern great fast bowler.His SR is amazing with 22.95 Avg.He had it all, pace, swing, bounce, reverse swing. I agree with you on odi part, he was not a great odi bowler. Edited March 2 by putrevus Kron 1 Link to comment
Kron Posted March 2 Share Posted March 2 6 hours ago, Vijy said: no, steyn is an ATG in tests. his performance dipped slightly in last ~10 tests, but was genuine ATG for vast majority of his career. His record in australia and england is not good enough though. He got oubowled by johnson at times in h2h battles. He is under mcg ambrose and marshall. A few others too Link to comment
Kron Posted March 2 Share Posted March 2 4 hours ago, putrevus said: He was injured otherwise he would have ended up with lot more wickets.He is true modern great fast bowler.His SR is amazing with 22.95 Avg.He had it all, pace, swing, bounce, reverse swing. I agree with you on odi part, he was not a great odi bowler. My issue with him is performances against australia at his home and also againdy england overall. Sometimes he was flat. Link to comment
Kothili Posted March 2 Share Posted March 2 Kohli needs to be dropped for a couple of series. We can survive just fine without him. Link to comment
Kron Posted March 3 Share Posted March 3 2 hours ago, Kothili said: Kohli needs to be dropped for a couple of series. We can survive just fine without him. Management dont have cojones to do it Link to comment
Gollum Posted March 6 Author Share Posted March 6 Steyn is one bowler who would look pedestrian whole day, then suddenly get possessed and bowl a match winning spell against the tide, in the flattest of conditions. Did that so many times in India, Pak, Aus, Eng, everywhere. Lord and rollingstoned 1 1 Link to comment
Serpico Posted March 7 Share Posted March 7 He missed 2-3 centuries and 500 runs in this series. If he fails to reach 10k runs, he'll regret missing out this one Gollum 1 Link to comment
nitinbwj Posted March 7 Share Posted March 7 45 minutes ago, Serpico said: He missed 2-3 centuries and 500 runs in this series. If he fails to reach 10k runs, he'll regret missing out this one Or could have been Bashir's bunny or Hartley nevada 1 Link to comment
The Realist Posted March 7 Share Posted March 7 1 hour ago, nitinbwj said: Or could have been Bashir's bunny or Hartley Link to comment
vvvslaxman Posted March 7 Share Posted March 7 Has any regular player ever skipped entire 5 test series for personal reasons? Link to comment
New guy Posted March 8 Share Posted March 8 12 hours ago, nitinbwj said: Or could have been Bashir's bunny or Hartley 13 hours ago, Serpico said: He missed 2-3 centuries and 500 runs in this series. If he fails to reach 10k runs, he'll regret missing out this one Doubt he could have done much on such spinning pitches. Link to comment
putrevus Posted March 8 Share Posted March 8 (edited) 14 minutes ago, New guy said: Doubt he could have done much on such spinning pitches. yeah sure, that is why he still has avg of 60 in India on same spinning pitches where Ashwin and Jadeja have avg of 21 and 20. That 60 avg is more than Sachin, Sehwag , dravid and Laxman. Edited March 8 by putrevus Link to comment
Gollum Posted March 8 Author Share Posted March 8 Kohli's bad form period is over, he would have scored 600 runs this series, including daddy 100s. But India managed fine, Kohli's miss. Link to comment
Trichromatic Posted March 8 Share Posted March 8 46 minutes ago, Gollum said: Kohli's bad form period is over, he would have scored 600 runs this series, including daddy 100s. But India managed fine, Kohli's miss. Yes, this could have one big comeback test series for Kohli with another 500+ runs. Gollum 1 Link to comment
Gollum Posted March 8 Author Share Posted March 8 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Trichromatic said: Yes, this could have one big comeback test series for Kohli with another 500+ runs. When you are in good nick, make use of it instead of sitting at home. Kohli will regret this miss later I am sure. Anushka gave birth in second week of Feb, Kohli could still have played the final 2-3 tests. Edited March 8 by Gollum Link to comment
VT87 Posted March 8 Share Posted March 8 3 hours ago, New guy said: Doubt he could have done much on such spinning pitches. Spin conducive pitches ?these are uber flat wickets Link to comment
R!TTER Posted March 8 Share Posted March 8 On 3/3/2024 at 4:02 AM, Kron said: My issue with him is performances against australia at his home and also againdy england overall. Sometimes he was flat The series you're talking about in some of them MJ was wrecker in chief as a batter! It's not Steyn's fault SA batter's lose their collective heads against Oz at home. it's like blaming Jadeja or Ashwin for our chumps' batting at home in the last 4-5 years Link to comment
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