Can India go back to 2 spinners + 3 pacers combo for overseas tests too?

[Majestic]

With Kuldeep really coming into force in lesser drier conditions on bouncy pitches, he seems India's best bet for picking wickets among the spinners in overseas conditions.

 

Now, Jadeja obviously merits a place due to his all round process, can India go back to two spin+ three pacers combo for overseas with Kuldeep being the primary spin bowler? No doubt Ashwin is a great bowler but his time is over and he clearly doesn't have much to contribute overseas, so India can probably have Kuldeep who can bat at 8 top and this won't affect the strength in bowling as we will continue with 4 main bowlers( 3 pacers+ 1 spinner) and Jadeja is your 5th bowler.

[R!TTER]

The issue is our pacers being generally absolute sh!t with the bat, Bumrah has improved but Siraj is still *ing bad. Then our overall batting is also suspect. I'd say having 2 spinners, unless the track is absolute green deck, should give us enough cover if we don't bowl first. Like in WTC finals we could've easily batted first & then had Kuldeep/Jadeja do their thing in the last innings! With 4 pacers we were almost forced to bowl first - which was a wrong move

Edited March 7 by R!TTER

[vvvslaxman]

Only in Australia we have played 3+2. Everywhere else it is 4+1.  That worked since fast bowlers were reliable. India must start using Jaiswal as a bowler. This total negligence of grooming a part time spinner is puzzling. Going on for a decade.

[singhvivek141]

Won't be an ideal approach for all conditions.

While Kuldeep as an spinner is definite quality, we on an urgent basis require a pace bowling allrounder (not likes of Shardul, Chahar etc) who can contribute with an average of 35 with bat and around 30 with the ball and can bowl 12-18 overs in a day.

 

Jadeja the allrounder is absolute gold in Subcontinent, it kinda hampers our spin bowling strength specially if we tour in SENA where Jadeja's role is limited to just provide some breather to the quicks. Not to mention Jadeja is also 35 years old.

[ash]

Kuldeep deserves to play as the lone spinner like Lyon. This option of selecting Jadeja in SENA to shield our brittle top order should end. Jadeja is the third best spinner in the team now, and selecting him as a first choice spinner in SENA just for his batting is a crime. 

Edited March 7 by ash

[Adamant]

In Mcg, Scg, Adelaide we should go with 3 + 2.

 

At Perth and Brisbaine 4+1 works better.

[vvvslaxman]

It also comes down to who those 4 seamers are. Shami, Ishant, Bumrah all had a specific role as bowlers

[Lord]

only possible if we have a seam bowling AR. 

[Lord]

On 3/7/2024 at 1:24 PM, ash said:

Kuldeep deserves to play as the lone spinner like Lyon. This option of selecting Jadeja in SENA to shield our brittle top order should end. Jadeja is the third best spinner in the team now, and selecting him as a first choice spinner in SENA just for his batting is a crime. 

 

That will happen only if batting does its job. Jadeja is batting better than them. Bowling is just bonus. And he did well on drier OS tracks.

[Majestic]

7 minutes ago, Lord said:

only possible if we have a seam bowling AR. 

We don't have that. But we have an AR who does fine as bowler and batsman both in overseas conditions, i.e, Jadeja.

[Lord]

Just now, Majestic said:

We don't have that. But we have an AR who does fine as bowler and batsman both in overseas conditions, i.e, Jadeja.

Yes but we need a 4th seamer option even if not a specialist.

 

Only then we can play Kuldeep-Jaddu together unless its a dry surface.

[R!TTER]

10 minutes ago, Lord said:

only possible if we have a seam bowling AR. 

Don't need them, just play your best batters/bowlers always 

[Nikhil_cric]

No. Either play

 

6 bats + 1 spin allrounder + 4 quicks or

 

7 bats + 3 quicks + 1 spinner. 

 

2 spinners in SENA is NEVER a good idea. 

[R!TTER]

What are you talking about? What the heck did 4 NZ quicks do vs Oz this series?

[Majestic]

2 hours ago, Nikhil_cric said:

No. Either play

 

6 bats + 1 spin allrounder + 4 quicks or

 

7 bats + 3 quicks + 1 spinner. 

 

2 spinners in SENA is NEVER a good idea. 

And what if our of those 7 bats, one of them is Jadeja?

[Nikhil_cric]

1 minute ago, Majestic said:

And what if our of those 7 bats, one of them is Jadeja?

 

Id rather have a proper batter 

[putrevus]

4 hours ago, Lord said:

only possible if we have a seam bowling AR. 

no, India cannot go 3+2. Seam allr bowling all rounder is 4th fast bowler.

[cowboysfan]

we can if its Jaddu and kuldeep.one is a spinner who can be effective on flat wickets and the other can score big runs.

[Majestic]

I think in conditions like New Zealand or the one we recently had in South Africa, 4 pacers is a must. But in conditions of England or Australia, we can afford to go with kuldeep and Jadeja.

[Forever Indian]

11 minutes ago, Majestic said:

I think in conditions like New Zealand or the one we recently had in South Africa, 4 pacers is a must. But in conditions of England or Australia, we can afford to go with kuldeep and Jadeja.

I would say we need an extra batter if conditions favour swing/seam. 3 good fast bowlers will be more than sufficient on 150 or 200 type pitches as 4th pacer will be always underbowled.

 

Whereas an extra batter can add some valuable runs or may even become the highest scorer of an innings.