Selection Watch Thread .... Agarkar and his team have started to do a good job

[Vk1]

39 minutes ago, iroman said:

I was searching for Musheer videos on YouTube and ran into some interesting stuff. He started in Harris or Giles Shield tournament for Mumbai schools at age of 6. By age of 8 he started in Kanga league that is meant for grown ups. He received an award by SRT for these achievements, Parthiv Shaw was also awarded by SRT at the same time. His dad set up a training wicket in his Colony with lights and nets etc so the brothers could practice. The story is simply fascinating. Please take a look. Sarfaraz looked young in those videos, but Musheer is literally a baby and playing with entire cricket gear and all. I m now really keen to see his progress. He had a good U19 WC and did well in the Ranji knockouts too. Too bad I can't see the domestic live in USA. Anyone seen Musheer enough to make an opinion? Does he have the talent to be an outstanding bat for India?? He bowls too. 

 

wow.. the Mumbai batsmen legacy goes on.. may not be the flamboyant or touch but effective nevertheless. Musheer scoring century in Ranji final is enough for me to pick him for couple of A tours

[Vk1]

21 hours ago, singhvivek141 said:

Would wait tbh.

 

We have seen in the past the U19 batch players, they start with a bang in Ranji but then quickly decline.

Yash Dhull, Sheikh Rasheed, Armsan Jaffer, Vijay Zol, P Shaw, Abhishek Sharma so many examples. 

Next season is going to be important for him.

 

Jaiswal, Pant, Sarafaraz kept themselves in contention courtesy of their performances. Even Gill was consistent with his FC stats.

scoring 100 in a Ranji final plus scoring consistently in Ranji knockouts is enough for me to put him with the A teams instead of selecting those Goswamis Panchals who would never get picked anyway

[Nikhil_cric]

Will wait till the World T20 squad is selected.

 

SKY turned out to be a terrible selection but Agarkar may have not have had a choice there. 

 

Also, this TM needs to buy in to that extra batting allrounder balance and look to develop players with that in mind 

 

India keeps picking specialist bowlers and keep losing. 

 

It's the one consistent theme in all our white ball failures.

 

 

Edited March 13 by Nikhil_cric

[Sandz]

Both Ranji teams seem to have mediocre bowling line ups, how did they make it to the final? Is Ranji skewed heavily in favor of batters? 
 

Other than Yash Thakur they all lack international quality. How’s this new Dubey guy who got a 5fer ?

[Vijy]

6 hours ago, Suhaan said:

Well Dhull is not old either,that flow is rather intermittent with some batsman

Might have a good next season

I am disappointed. wouldn't be surprised if he becomes unmukt version 2.0

[Vijy]

6 hours ago, Vk1 said:

scoring 100 in a Ranji final plus scoring consistently in Ranji knockouts is enough for me to put him with the A teams instead of selecting those Goswamis Panchals who would never get picked anyway

musheer did well in QF, SF, and F. with some patience, he could have 100s in all 3 KOs.

[express bowling]

9 minutes ago, Vijy said:

musheer did well in QF, SF, and F. with some patience, he could have 100s in all 3 KOs.

 

What's Musheer's batting style ?

 

Does he have the power game ?

 

Does he pull and cut quicker bowlers ?

Edited March 13 by express bowling

[Vijy]

1 minute ago, express bowling said:

 

What's Musheer's batting style ?

Tends to be more still and compact at the crease than Sarfaraz. Trusts his defense more (and it seems tighter than sarfaraz), but does not have the same range of shots and speed of scoring.  One potential issue is that he tends to get onto the front foot a lot. He needs to improve his back-and-across game.

 

He talks briefly about his own method in the following ToI article:

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/sports/cricket/news/saw-sachin-sir-on-the-big-screen-musheer-khan-after-scoring-ton-in-ranji-trophy-final/articleshow/108439387.cms

 

One thing I like is that he seems more of a crease occupier with patience. Even in the modern era, we need at least one such batter in my opinion.

[tapandrun]

8 hours ago, express bowling said:

 

What's Musheer's batting style ?

 

Does he have the power game ?

 

Does he pull and cut quicker bowlers ?

Rh batter, stance looked like Sarfarz (Pak intnl), its old style 90s batting accumulate runs , preserve wkt.

 

Only play big shots to the leg side and once he has archived some milestone - Similar to Gill when we was at playing u19s

Yet to be seen against quicker bowlers - Just graduated to Ranaji let him develop.

 

Sachin Dhas from this U19 group looked more like a contemporary batter - Plays hook and pull has punch and played a good know under pressure. 

 

In strength and conditioning do not think this group can be compared to previous groups- Seems genuine U19 players

 

 

Edited March 13 by tapandrun

[Vijy]

2 hours ago, tapandrun said:

Rh batter, stance looked like Sarfarz (Pak intnl), its old style 90s batting accumulate runs , preserve wkt.

 

Only play big shots to the leg side and once he has archived some milestone - Similar to Gill when we was at playing u19s

Yet to be seen against quicker bowlers - Just graduated to Ranaji let him develop.

 

Sachin Dhas from this U19 group looked more like a contemporary batter - Plays hook and pull has punch and played a good know under pressure. 

 

In strength and conditioning do not think this group can be compared to previous groups- Seems genuine U19 players

 

 

Wonder how many games Dhas will get. he is competing with digvijay singh (another U19 product) for a similar MO spot in Maharashtra, though they played a match together IIRC

[express bowling]

Dravid said in a post match interview after the 5th test that we eon because India's senior players performed better than England's senior players.

 

This maybe true regarding part of the bowling but the batting was almost entirely held up by India's young brigade.

 

And did England not benefit from performances by Bashir and Hartley. 

 

Why this obsession with promoting seniors !

 

 

 

[Vijy]

6 hours ago, express bowling said:

Dravid said in a post match interview after the 5th test that we eon because India's senior players performed better than England's senior players.

 

This maybe true regarding part of the bowling but the batting was almost entirely held up by India's young brigade.

 

And did England not benefit from performances by Bashir and Hartley. 

 

Why this obsession with promoting seniors !

 

 

 

ironic that dravid the captain was regarded as promoting juniors. some of the best years of yuvi, raina, MSD came under drawid

[vishalvirsingh]

On 3/10/2024 at 1:41 PM, express bowling said:

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Which areas need further focus in terms of new player development and selection according to you guys. 

 

We can track new player development and selection in this thread, including the areas which need further focus. 

From a SPIN Standpoint - India has a lot of Spinners and good spinners at domestic level as INDIAN Pitches help Spinners so that's not a Worry.

 

- Create FAST TRACKS- GREEN TRACKS. today We beat England 4-1 , we beat everyone on INDIAN grounds but get beaten by Africa, England, Australians on their Grounds. we lost the TEST Match FINAL on a ground which was neither our pitch nor Newzealand. Understand the TRUTH, we cant rule the world unless we can beat SENA countries on green tracks. remember west indian team they used to come to INDIA and their Pacers used to Beat INDIA here and their batsman learnt some tricks to score at least some runs against TOP INDIAN SPinners like BEDI, prasanna , Chandrashekhar who were as good as ashwin ,kuldeep and Jaddu.

- Create POLICIES that favour fast bowlers like 

    - Higher PAY for fast bowlers

    - Higher Pay for Pace Bowling All rounders in domestic cricket.

    - Already Pace all rounders or I would say Slow Pace bowling Batters are getting paid well in IPL

    - NO pacer should be considered to play for INDIA who cannot bowl 136K Average Pace in a 3 to 4 over SPELL with at least few balls above 140K. Skills can be trained. sandeep sharma , bhuvi , praveen Kumar, irfan khan,  deepak chahr were MOST SKILLED Pacers, bhuvi could make a career as He was too good. praveen kumar was succeeding but he got into drinks. Sandeep Sharma and deepak chahar have kind of failed. just see the example of ISHANT SHARMA and Umesh Yadav- they did make a career. Irfan at his peak used to swing BIG time and bowl 135K too- that combo created MAGIC , later he bowled at 118K - 122k and he was swinging even then but he was dropped  from INDIAN team.

varun aroon was pacy umesh yadav too but may be varun had injury issues and that's why he was not supported - happy to see he is assisting Mcgrath in MRF pace search.

 

[express bowling]

19 minutes ago, vishalvirsingh said:

From a SPIN Standpoint - India has a lot of Spinners and good spinners at domestic level as INDIAN Pitches help Spinners so that's not a Worry.

 

- Create FAST TRACKS- GREEN TRACKS. today We beat England 4-1 , we beat everyone on INDIAN grounds but get beaten by Africa, England, Australians on their Grounds. we lost the TEST Match FINAL on a ground which was neither our pitch nor Newzealand. Understand the TRUTH, we cant rule the world unless we can beat SENA countries on green tracks. remember west indian team they used to come to INDIA and their Pacers used to Beat INDIA here and their batsman learnt some tricks to score at least some runs against TOP INDIAN SPinners like BEDI, prasanna , Chandrashekhar who were as good as ashwin ,kuldeep and Jaddu.

- Create POLICIES that favour fast bowlers like 

    - Higher PAY for fast bowlers

    - Higher Pay for Pace Bowling All rounders in domestic cricket.

    - Already Pace all rounders or I would say Slow Pace bowling Batters are getting paid well in IPL

    - NO pacer should be considered to play for INDIA who cannot bowl 136K Average Pace in a 3 to 4 over SPELL with at least few balls above 140K. Skills can be trained. sandeep sharma , bhuvi , praveen Kumar, irfan khan,  deepak chahr were MOST SKILLED Pacers, bhuvi could make a career as He was too good. praveen kumar was succeeding but he got into drinks. Sandeep Sharma and deepak chahar have kind of failed. just see the example of ISHANT SHARMA and Umesh Yadav- they did make a career. Irfan at his peak used to swing BIG time and bowl 135K too- that combo created MAGIC , later he bowled at 118K - 122k and he was swinging even then but he was dropped  from INDIAN team.

varun aroon was pacy umesh yadav too but may be varun had injury issues and that's why he was not supported - happy to see he is assisting Mcgrath in MRF pace search.

 

 

Pitches are very important if we want to unearth new fast bowlers and improve the ones that we have.

 

We need more sporting pitches where pacers and spinners who bowl with effort do well and batters who bat with application do well. 

 

Too many batting paradises or spinning dustbowls or green mambas will only help promote mediocre and condition dependant players who are good in certain conditions and pathetic in others. 

Edited March 16 by express bowling

[Vk1]

On 3/13/2024 at 2:18 PM, tapandrun said:

Rh batter, stance looked like Sarfarz (Pak intnl), its old style 90s batting accumulate runs , preserve wkt.

 

Only play big shots to the leg side and once he has archived some milestone - Similar to Gill when we was at playing u19s

Yet to be seen against quicker bowlers - Just graduated to Ranaji let him develop.

 

Sachin Dhas from this U19 group looked more like a contemporary batter - Plays hook and pull has punch and played a good know under pressure. 

 

In strength and conditioning do not think this group can be compared to previous groups- Seems genuine U19 players

 

 

sachin dhas and that left arm spinner were most impressive 

[rollingstoned]

44 minutes ago, express bowling said:

 

Pitches are very important if we want to unearth new fast bowlers and improve the ones that we have.

 

We need more sporting pitches where pacers and spinners who bowl with effort do well and batters who bat with application do well. 

 

Too many batting paradises or spinning dustbowls or green mambas will only help promote mediocre and condition dependant players who are good in certain conditions and pathetic in others. 

We need more grounds with consistent carry for first 2 days ie not ones where the keeper is collecting the ball on the bounce from day 1 first session itself. This will improve our batsmens strokeplay and technique too. Mumbai produces a lot of good batsmen for a reason. 

Edited March 16 by rollingstoned

[Vijy]

10 hours ago, rollingstoned said:

We need more grounds with consistent carry for first 2 days ie not ones where the keeper is collecting the ball on the bounce from day 1 first session itself. This will improve our batsmens strokeplay and technique too. Mumbai produces a lot of good batsmen for a reason. 

some Mumbai pitches are well balanced