Selection Watch Thread .... Agarkar and his team have started to do a good job

[express bowling]

 

 

Improvements we are seeing with Agarkar ....

 

1)   Akashdeep was introduced in the test squad jumping the queue as Avesh Khan was removed without playing a game. This is a big thing in Indian cricket as a more effective pacer ( accurate, 140 k+, tall and hit the deck pacer )  is brought in instead of following the dreaded and harmful queue system. 

 

Then the TM did what usually happens in Indian cricket. They dropped the performing Akashdeep for an out of form Siraj, who got preference due to his seniority. @tweaker was discussing this aspect of picking Siraj by the TM in another thread 

 

2)  Jurel was brought in the test squad as next in line to Bharat instead of some 30+ year old mediocre senior keeper toiling in domestic cricket for long and " deserves a chance " after Bharat irrespective of his quality, as is usually the case. 

 

3)  Unadkat, introduced by the last selection committee, was removed even though senior pacers like Shami are injured. 

 

4)  As @Mosher bro posted in another thread, the selection committee is actively scouting the country for new fast bowling talent and have identified the express, bouncy and accurate Mayank Yadav, and tall and bouncy Khaleel Ahmed etc. 

 

5)  Most of the pacers being played in India A are tall and bouncy. Like Akashdeep, Harshit, Prasidh, Avesh, Dayal, Kaverappa.etc.  @Mosher posted in the Speed amd Performances thread that the recommendation of the Selection committee for the newly introduced fast bowling contract have 5 pacers ( 1 express and 4 tall and bouncy ). 

 

Good to see Agarkar picking, to some extent, the correct player types for international cricket, instead of picking the players who are ahead in the queue. 

 

But he must keep up the good work and not stop when the Seniors return. 

 

 

Edited March 11 by express bowling

[express bowling]

Want Agarkar to develop and bring in some of the really quick.pacers we have. The pool, as of now, consists of Mayank Yadav, Harshit Rana, Umran Malik, Kartik Tyagi and Kuldeep Sen. 

 

Not all of them will succeed at the top level. This has to be kept in mind. But if even 2 of the 5 do well, we will have a more vicious pace attack. 

Edited March 10 by express bowling

[express bowling]

All the upcoming strike bowlers must be encouraged to practice and improve their batting by the Selection committee. 

[express bowling]

Agarkar needs to find a couple of new pacers who are 140 k+ and have white ball bowling skills. 

[express bowling]

Need to find an off spinner strike bowler who can bat at No.8. Need a backup for the aging Ashwin. 

[express bowling]

Need to find and pick more players who are fighters and deliver under pressure.

 

Like Pant.  

 

Jurel, Rinku and Sundar have displayed similar mindsets. Even Shardul. 

 

( Sadly, Shardul and Sundar are more bits snd pieces cricketes as of now ... we need more specialists who are fighters ) 

Edited March 10 by express bowling

[jf1gp_1]

31 minutes ago, express bowling said:

Need to find and pick more players who are fighters and deliver under pressure.

 

Like Pant.  

 

Jurel and Sundar have displayed similar mindsets. Even Shardul. 

 

( Sadly, Shardul and Sundar are more bits snd pieces cricketes as of now ... we need more specialists who are fighters ) 

Sarfarz has played 3 test, scored 200 runs at an avg of 50 and we see him as a potential middle order batsman. He doesn't bowl and all test were played in India. 

Sundar has played 4 test, scored 265 at an avg of 67. He has also taken 6 wickets and have saved us from embarrassment twice including 1 test in australia

Let's give Sundar a fair run before labelling him bits and pieces cricketer. 

[express bowling]

@Mosher, @Suhaan, @singhvivek141, @rollingstoned, @SRT100, @raki05, @Lone Wolf @Vijy, @tweaker, @tapandrun, @sensible-indian, @Gollum, @cricspirit, @Sandz,@MK55, @Trichromatic, @vvvslaxman, @Malcolm Merlyn, @vishalvirsingh, @AuxiliA, @Lord

 

 

 

Which areas need further focus in terms of new player development and selection according to you guys. 

 

We can track new player development and selection in this thread, including the areas which need further focus. 

Edited March 10 by express bowling

[express bowling]

10 minutes ago, jf1gp_1 said:

Sarfarz has played 3 test, scored 200 runs at an avg of 50 and we see him as a potential middle order batsman. He doesn't bowl and all test were played in India. 

Sundar has played 4 test, scored 265 at an avg of 67. He has also taken 6 wickets and have saved us from embarrassment twice including 1 test in australia

Let's give Sundar a fair run before labelling him bits and pieces cricketer. 

 

I am not against selecting Washington at all. Want fighters like him. And wanted him as a batsman before he got repeatedly injured. 

 

Sadly he was not delivering in this Ranji season as a specialist batsman. 

 

Once a player is out of the team, it is not a bad idea to bring him back when he is in form. The probability of success is more. 

 

He is young and it is upto him to establish himself as a specialist batsman who can bowl too. I would be happy if he does so. 

 

 

Edited March 10 by express bowling

[vishalvirsingh]

43 minutes ago, express bowling said:

 

 

Improvements we are seeing with Agarkar ....

 

1)   Akashdeep was introduced in the test squad jumping the queue as Avesh Khan was removed without playing a game. This is a big thing in Indian cricket as a more effective pacer ( accurate, 140 k+, tall and hit the deck pacer )  is brought in instead of following the dreaded and harmful queue system. 

 

Then the TM did what usually happens in Indian cricket. They dropped the performing Akashdeep for an out of form Siraj, who got preference due to his seniority. @tweaker was discussing this aspect of picking Siraj by the TM in another thread 

 

2)  Jurel was brought in the test squad as next in line to Bharat instead of some 30+ year old mediocre senior keeper toiling in domestic cricket for long and " deserves a chance " after Bharat irrespective of his quality, as is usually the case. 

 

3)  Unadkat, introduced by the last selection committee, was removed even though senior pacers like Shami are injured. 

 

4)  As @Mosher bro posted in another thread, the selection committee is actively scouting the country for new fast bowling talent and have identified the express, bouncy and accurate Mayank Yadav, and tall and bouncy Khaleel Ahmed etc. 

 

5)  Most of the pacers being played in India A are tall and bouncy. Like Akashdeep, Harshit, Prasidh, Avesh, Dayal, Kaverappa.etc.  @Mosher posted in the Speed amd Performances thread that the recommendation of the Selection committee for the newly introduced fast bowling contract have 5 pacers ( 1 express and 4 tall and bouncy ). 

 

Good to see Agarkar picking, to some extent, the correct player types for international cricket, instead of picking the players who are ahead in the queue. 

 

But he must keep up the good work and not stop when the Seniors return. 

 

 

siraj bowled 1 over in 2nd innings between 129 to 133k and looked like a trundler. i could see little inswing and I feel had he bowled 140k with that inswing he would have got the english batsman as his swing was fair but at a slower pace so batsman could save themselves. i would tend to drop him from the 11 till he comes back in form.

 

unadkat - was always a wrong decision.

focus on khaleel and mayank is a correct decision but focusing on umraan khan and genuine fast bowlers is KEY...i don't understand why can't umraan's line n length issue cannot be sorted out.

 

i agree Prasidh flopped and seemed like not fully fit. in that case He should not have been played. i see dayal also as one of the weak MIND type banda ...i may be wrong.

kaveraapa has to increase his Pace- hope he is asked for that as his line n length and bounce is close to perfection. Harshit aur uska partner rajya wardhan hingarkar- his action is like bumrah and I feel hingarkar is DESTINED for success.he has good pace and his action is also a bit complex like BOOM. 

 

sarfaraaz has a lot of big scores so he is a top batter against spinners and against pacers he has defence but not sure against bouncers....lets see how he plays but I expect him to scale up by either playing bouncers well or DUCKING them at least.

 

padikkal seems to be dravid type...strong defence and a test match batsman only..tilak can be played in the shorter format and padikkal in test.

 

patidar is talented but has a bit of mind issue..lets see if he comes back.

 

agarkar is doing well but he still has opportunities to improve.

 

[rollingstoned]

1 hour ago, express bowling said:

Need to find an off spinner strike bowler who can bat at No.8. Need a backup for the aging Ashwin. 

We should prioritise right arm finger spinners. Kotian should be asked to work on his bowling as he is a very good batsmen and has good temperament too.

Emphasis should be on building a varied attack with many options. 

[rollingstoned]

35 minutes ago, express bowling said:

@Mosher, @Suhaan, @singhvivek141, @rollingstoned, @SRT100, @raki05, @Lone Wolf @Vijy, @tweaker, @tapandrun, @sensible-indian, @Gollum, @cricspirit, @Sandz,@MK55, @Trichromatic, @vvvslaxman, @Malcolm Merlyn

 

 

 

Which areas need further focus in terms of new player development and selection according to you guys. 

 

We can track new player development and selection in this thread, including the areas which need further focus. 

Like you said keep an eye on players who do well in certain situations rather than only looking at averages when you have to run the rule over them. Focus extra on players with good all round skills esp fast bowling all rounders whosl can get selected based on their strong suit alone. 

[Forever Indian]

Also another aspect I want the selectors and TM to start implementing is - Have a strict Two formats (Test/ODI/T20) restrictions for 99% of players. Identify which one or two formats a player is strongest in and have them selected only for those. This will ensure:

 

• Players not getting run to the ground and injured often
• Gives chance to bigger pool of players which India has
• Main Benefit: Lets players develop game play for those formats instead of constantly trying to adjust across three formats

The last point is often not acknowledged. Different formats have differing mental and skills requirments and a player needs to focus and play for a while to develop the required skills. Even a Bumrah finds it difficult to adjust line and lengths between a T20 and Test.

 

This will also give chance to one format players like how Dhawan and Pujara were.

[Lone Wolf]

2 hours ago, express bowling said:

 

 

Improvements we are seeing with Agarkar ....

 

1)   Akashdeep was introduced in the test squad jumping the queue as Avesh Khan was removed without playing a game. This is a big thing in Indian cricket as a more effective pacer ( accurate, 140 k+, tall and hit the deck pacer )  is brought in instead of following the dreaded and harmful queue system. 

 

Then the TM did what usually happens in Indian cricket. They dropped the performing Akashdeep for an out of form Siraj, who got preference due to his seniority. @tweaker was discussing this aspect of picking Siraj by the TM in another thread 

 

2)  Jurel was brought in the test squad as next in line to Bharat instead of some 30+ year old mediocre senior keeper toiling in domestic cricket for long and " deserves a chance " after Bharat irrespective of his quality, as is usually the case. 

 

3)  Unadkat, introduced by the last selection committee, was removed even though senior pacers like Shami are injured. 

 

4)  As @Mosher bro posted in another thread, the selection committee is actively scouting the country for new fast bowling talent and have identified the express, bouncy and acc @MosherM

 

 

Agarkar is doing a great job compared to previous clueless selectors but can you point out from where he has kept his eye on guys like Khaleel and Mayank Yadav? 

I'd be excited if they get into limited overs fold asap over Avesh and Mukesh. 

 

Looks like Kaverappa and Vyashak are next in line after Top 4 Bumrah Siraj Shami Akashdeep in Test Cricket...  Both are steady upgrade over Mukesh Avesh but would love to see Harshit in there...  He is ready. 

[singhvivek141]

2 hours ago, express bowling said:

@Mosher, @Suhaan, @singhvivek141, @rollingstoned, @SRT100, @raki05, @Lone Wolf @Vijy, @tweaker, @tapandrun, @sensible-indian, @Gollum, @cricspirit, @Sandz,@MK55, @Trichromatic, @vvvslaxman, @Malcolm Merlyn

 

 

 

Which areas need further focus in terms of new player development and selection according to you guys. 

 

We can track new player development and selection in this thread, including the areas which need further focus. 

Most of the points you have covered...so on top of it I would like to add few more points.

 

1. Prepare a proper fast bowling allrounder specially for Tests : We are too dependent on Jadeja as our sole spinner for SENA plus 4 quicks or 3 quicks plus one spinner plus Jadeja. The moment Jadeja is unavailable due to injury, we have likes of Ashwin, Shardul etc at no 7. Both are not a reliable option.

Agarkar & co need to identify the proper pace bowling allrounders like Bawa and others who can bat at no 7 and can bowl 12-15 overs of intense bowling for Tests.

 

2. Identify and groom a captain for Tests : There is a huge vaccum in terms of leadership quality. Earlier atleast for name we had options in Pujara, Rahane who could lead the team when Rohit, Kohli are injured/not available. I am just confused who are next options in case Rohit gets injured and Bumrah is unavailable. 

If they want Gill as captain, atleast make him vc now, so that he can continue to lead sessions whenever Rohit is unavailable.

 

3. Role based selections should be rewarded for T20's : This has been historically our biggest caveat in T20I's. Instead of blindly looking at the avg of batters & economy of the bowlers. Agarkar & co must start to look at the players who can excel the specific role they're supposed to do, as it's not easy to find multi skilled players.

If a batter is good at top of the order, he shouldn't be used to bat at no 5/6 for the "depth". Similarly bowlers who are good only on the slow dead pitches shouldn't be selected when playing on the tournaments where pitches are supposed to be hard & bouncy.

 

4. Telecast all the premier domestic matches: This is a must now, though it doesn't come directly under Agarkar & co. But they should promote this thought in BCCI to televise as many games as possible in Devdhar, VHT & Ranji instead of only telecasting one or two games per round with all the tools available (speedometer, Hawkeye etc). If technology is a concern then restrict it to 2-4 games per day and selectors MUST attend all the games in parallel and not just semifinal & final. 

 

5. Phase out seniors keeping future in mind : Post 2024 T20, WTC 2025 & probably CT 2025. Selectors must be ready to take a call on the seniors who are ageing and are blocking path for new young players. Players who are 36+ shouldn't be an automatic selection unless their experience & skills are unmatchable and rare.

[express bowling]

25 minutes ago, Lone Wolf said:

 but can you point out from where he has kept his eye on guys like Khaleel and Mayank Yadav? 

I'd be excited if they get into limited overs fold asap over Avesh and Mukesh. 

 

 

 

 

25 minutes ago, Lone Wolf said:

 

Looks like Kaverappa and Vyashak are next in line after Top 4 Bumrah Siraj Shami Akashdeep in Test Cricket...  Both are steady upgrade over Mukesh Avesh but would love to see Harshit in there...  He is ready. 

 

 

Kaverappa and Vyashak are unlikely to be good as multi-condition pacers for test cricket as they lack the pace. 

 

But I like the fact that tall, bouncy pacers are in  focus.

 

I too want Harshit to come in next.

[Kron]

1 hour ago, Forever Indian said:

Also another aspect I want the selectors and TM to start implementing is - Have a strict Two formats (Test/ODI/T20) restrictions for 99% of players. Identify which one or two formats a player is strongest in and have them selected only for those. This will ensure:

 

• Players not getting run to the ground and injured often
• Gives chance to bigger pool of players which India has
• Main Benefit: Lets players develop game play for those formats instead of constantly trying to adjust across three formats

The last point is often not acknowledged. Different formats have differing mental and skills requirments and a player needs to focus and play for a while to develop the required skills. Even a Bumrah finds it difficult to adjust line and lengths between a T20 and Test.

 

This will also give chance to one format players like how Dhawan and Pujara were.

Also mentally weak players in finals and ko stages must be dropped. Guys like even kohli Rahul and anyone it applies to

[Vijy]

6 hours ago, express bowling said:

@Mosher, @Suhaan, @singhvivek141, @rollingstoned, @SRT100, @raki05, @Lone Wolf @Vijy, @tweaker, @tapandrun, @sensible-indian, @Gollum, @cricspirit, @Sandz,@MK55, @Trichromatic, @vvvslaxman, @Malcolm Merlyn, @vishalvirsingh, @AuxiliA, @Lord

 

 

 

Which areas need further focus in terms of new player development and selection according to you guys. 

 

We can track new player development and selection in this thread, including the areas which need further focus. 

For Tests:

Express pace bowlers

Bounce-based pace bowlers

One swing specialist (for green tops)

One opener to replace Rohit

Batters who can handle swing: very rare nowadays

Off-spin bowlers, preferably with some batting ability

Proper captain

Edited March 10 by Vijy

[vvvslaxman]

6 hours ago, express bowling said:

@Mosher, @Suhaan, @singhvivek141, @rollingstoned, @SRT100, @raki05, @Lone Wolf @Vijy, @tweaker, @tapandrun, @sensible-indian, @Gollum, @cricspirit, @Sandz,@MK55, @Trichromatic, @vvvslaxman, @Malcolm Merlyn, @vishalvirsingh, @AuxiliA, @Lord

 

 

 

Which areas need further focus in terms of new player development and selection according to you guys. 

 

We can track new player development and selection in this thread, including the areas which need further focus. 

Most of our issues with our new  player development is continuity. If you look at a lot of new players they come in only when there is an injury problem. Once the player in question has recovered these guys take the back seat. Very much like what happened to Akash deep. We lose them after that. As i said in other thread India has too many players to choose from. So there is an increased chance of backing the wrong guy and missing out on some hidden gems.  In order to keep the continuity going India has to arrange more A tours.

[Suhaan]

I'm concerned about the upcoming WC in 27

Who we will bowl with?Means who are our next set of pacers?

Bumrah will be 34,dare I say he will be borderline passenger then

If we don't address that we will be back to square one

Our pace bowling is slowly but steadily getting weak with passage of time

A tours are good sources to look upon the options available

+ Vijay Hazare,Deodhar even FC to choose from(provided you are just not only looking at the stats but also impact and contribution to the side)

And batsmen who used to bowl shouldn't be content with 1 D ability,they should be forced to roll their arms to create more depth in batting

I must add pacers too must be asked to add ability with the bat

And please kick out Mhambrey and Rathouieurrreey

Edited March 10 by Suhaan