IPL has cursed us for life

[mani sha]

I was watching IPL and realised how damaging this format has been to any of our chances for any t20 success. The heart of the problem lies in the way IPL is designed - 

team composition allows for four foreign players and now they have added the impact player rule . What does this translate to ? 
 

1- all IPL teams try to get the power hitters from abroad . Over the years we have seen Gayle , Maxwell , Dre Russ etc . Indian power hitters - probably dube and now Shashank singh . But IPL has shunned giving indian hitters a chance to do that role - at best we can hope for a dk or a sky like player to emerge 

2 - openers with big game - IPL franchises try to use people like head in opening slots . More often than not our indian batters learn stats paddling . 
even those who started out with aggressive intent learn that it’s better to make a 40 ball 50 to get orange and other useless caps -

net effect - indian players as openers are all in ruturaj mould . Or p Shaw mold . Either content with the money they make or content to play for runs but not victory 

 

3- bowlers are becoming cannon fodder . Inspite of having IPL , no of bowlers who bowl good consistent Yorkers is negligible . 
 

indian bowlers are mainly used to bowl cutters into the pitch . Or slower ones like harshal and unadkat . 
 

4 - death of the all rounder . 
with the sub rule , we won’t know who is a true all rounder . 
 

IPL in short is leading to the rise of the accumulators at the top , the Kumars who bowl cutters , the desth of all round abilities and the complete absence of power hitters. 
 

I don’t expect any t20 trophies as components which win u t20 matches are all outsourced and home talent is never gonna given full chance to blossom or develop or any incentive . 
 

as I speak , kohli just scored 4 runs in over 14 .. set at 50 in 40 balls . Gavaskar recommends taking risks . The other guy admires his consistency: fans are joyous as their god reaches yet another useless milestone 

 

 

[BacktoCricaddict]

Another thing - it throws up some lightning bolt performances like Unadkat today or DK in a couple of innings - giving justification for unjustified selections. Having it so close to a WCT20 in a completely different set of conditions causes all sorts of selection conundrums.

Edited April 25 by BacktoCricaddict

[Jaydev_Unadkat]

5 hours ago, BacktoCricaddict said:

Another thing - it throws up some lightning bolt performances like Unadkat today or DK in a couple of innings - giving justification for unjustified selections. Having it so close to a WCT20 in a completely different set of conditions causes all sorts of selection conundrums.

Lightning bolt performances are what the ICF hype boys- useless Tyagi, Umran malik do.. perform once in a year and go for 12 rpo in every other match.

[singhvivek141]

Stinking **** level performance by trundlers like

Mohit Sharma 73 runs in 4 overs 

Unadkut 37 runs in 2 overs 

 

Leaking at runs above 18 p.o. 

Still some morons come up to hide their incompetency just because they are too egoistic to accept the truth.

Edited April 26 by singhvivek141

[zen]

IPL even though it has the word "Indian" in it is more like an annual global T20 event. SMAT is the one you should be watching for domestic players. 

 

IPL is franchises driven where a lot is at stake. Developing Indian talent (with Mega Auction every 3-4 years, franchises have no real time for it), etc., is not the priority. Priority is to win, make money, expand the fan base, etc. 

 

Eventually, the limit of foreign players could be lifted too where everyone competes for a place in the 11 based on talent. 

 

One of the largest sources of spam during IPL is armchair selectors, who try to pick 11 (a pointless exercise) and worry about x, y, and z playing or not playing,  assuming that IPL is there to develop Indian talent, and so on, rather than enjoying the tournament for what it is!

[Majestic]

59 minutes ago, zen said:

IPL even though it has the word "Indian" in it is more like an annual global T20 event. SMAT is the one you should be watching for domestic players. 

 

IPL is franchises driven where a lot is at stake. Developing Indian talent (with Mega Auction every 3-4 years, franchises have no real time for it), etc., is not the priority. Priority is to win, make money, expand the fan base, etc. 

 

Eventually, the limit of foreign players could be lifted too where everyone competes for a place in the 11 based on talent. 

 

One of the largest sources of spam during IPL is armchair selectors, who try to pick 11 (a pointless exercise) and worry about x, y, and z playing or not playing,  assuming that IPL is there to develop Indian talent, and so on, rather than enjoying the tournament for what it is!

Developing Indian talent may not be it's priority but outside India, it is hardly seen as annual T20 event. Nobody values how many you got in IPL.

 

The only outcome of IPL has been to make money and delude the fan base in going crazy for their respective teams.

[mani sha]

1 hour ago, zen said:

IPL even though it has the word "Indian" in it is more like an annual global T20 event. SMAT is the one you should be watching for domestic players. 

 

IPL is franchises driven where a lot is at stake. Developing Indian talent (with Mega Auction every 3-4 years, franchises have no real time for it), etc., is not the priority. Priority is to win, make money, expand the fan base, etc. 

 

Eventually, the limit of foreign players could be lifted too where everyone competes for a place in the 11 based on talent. 

 

One of the largest sources of spam during IPL is armchair selectors, who try to pick 11 (a pointless exercise) and worry about x, y, and z playing or not playing,  assuming that IPL is there to develop Indian talent, and so on, rather than enjoying the tournament for what it is!

Well said

 

pant hitting six sixes off mohit and everyone is like take him - pant career strike rate is 120 s while rahul it’s 160 . 
 

Chahal has played 200 IPL matches and epitomizes the gap . He cannot do well in t20 as his pace is slow . Still armchair selectors wanna play chahal . 

[zen]

1 minute ago, Majestic said:

Developing Indian talent may not be it's priority but outside India, it is hardly seen as annual T20 event. Nobody values how many you got in IPL.

 

The only outcome of IPL has been to make money and delude the fan base in going crazy for their respective teams.

 

That is not accurate. Many OS players get selected for their team based on IPL. Latest - https://www.hindustantimes.com/cricket/surely-the-aussies-will-pick-ipl-2024-s-new-sensation-receives-t20-world-cup-selection-backing-from-michael-vaughan-101713683797085.html 

 

Even the likes of David Miller have made a comeback to their national team based on the form shown in IPL. 

 

To play in an IPL 11, one has to be proven or display great potential. If you shine, you can be noticed. But it is not an avenue where an average player is backed just because he can be "developed" for India. You have to have it in you to make it to the 11 and perform to get noticed. 

[zen]

13 minutes ago, mani sha said:

Well said

 

pant hitting six sixes off mohit and everyone is like take him - pant career strike rate is 120 s while rahul it’s 160 . 
 

Chahal has played 200 IPL matches and epitomizes the gap . He cannot do well in t20 as his pace is slow . Still armchair selectors wanna play chahal . 

 

IPL shows the current form. But you have to consider bowling attack and pitches as well. E.g., DK was picked based on his exploits at 1 or 2 venues like Wankhede. Umesh Yadav did well with the new ball when the pitches were helping the pacers. Talking about spinners, they can do well on a traditional spin-friendly pitch in Chennai but those types of pitches are not going to be available everywhere. If you are going to pick a spinner who did well in Chennai and play him in Brisbane, then the result may not be to your liking. 

 

With 10 teams playing and more than 50 bowlers bowling. Of those 50+ bowlers, many are not going to be at their best, may have displayed a loss in form, etc., so again the SR against such bowlers needs to be scrutinized. It can be similar to our experienced top 3 stats padding against Ireland, etc. in World Cup but failing against top bowling attacks in pressure games. 

 

IPL performances can get you noticed but one has to look at various factors too before backing a player. 

Edited April 26 by zen

[Nikhil_cric]

Ideally , need to play a shorter IPL(6 franchises), less Test cricket  and play more bilateral white ball cricket( not against Ireland and Zimbabwe) so that we can develop a good white ball side.

 

High time for domestic reforms as well. 

 

Don't see any of that happening. 

 

 

 

 

[cricketfan28]

T20 has evolved ..we are seeing youngsters adapt to that so future looks good.

[figo6762]

Add coaches to the mix … don’t know how IPL is promoting local talent when every team has a white coach .

Edited April 26 by figo6762

[Chaos]

Well it helped all star foriegn players to adapt to india n conditions while playing for their countries. While we look like monkeys on the lose first few matches when we tour other countries

[figo6762]

2 minutes ago, Chaos said:

Well it helped all star foriegn players to adapt to india n conditions while playing for their countries. While we look like monkeys on the lose first few matches when we tour other countries

Never understand the bcci stance of not letting Indian players play in bbl and hundred … 

[jf1gp_1]

I have started watching IPL post covid and now i look forward to it every year. No one can watch every match but i do keep track of whats happening its fun.

[jf1gp_1]

21 hours ago, figo6762 said:

Never understand the bcci stance of not letting Indian players play in bbl and hundred … 

Same reason why wrestlers with active WWE contract cant show up at UFC

[goose]

it's a ponzi scheme. a shitcoin

[Sooda]

On 4/25/2024 at 4:18 PM, mani sha said:

I was watching IPL and realised how damaging this format has been to any of our chances for any t20 success. The heart of the problem lies in the way IPL is designed - 

team composition allows for four foreign players and now they have added the impact player rule . What does this translate to ? 
 

1- all IPL teams try to get the power hitters from abroad . Over the years we have seen Gayle , Maxwell , Dre Russ etc . Indian power hitters - probably dube and now Shashank singh . But IPL has shunned giving indian hitters a chance to do that role - at best we can hope for a dk or a sky like player to emerge 

2 - openers with big game - IPL franchises try to use people like head in opening slots . More often than not our indian batters learn stats paddling . 
even those who started out with aggressive intent learn that it’s better to make a 40 ball 50 to get orange and other useless caps -

net effect - indian players as openers are all in ruturaj mould . Or p Shaw mold . Either content with the money they make or content to play for runs but not victory 

 

3- bowlers are becoming cannon fodder . Inspite of having IPL , no of bowlers who bowl good consistent Yorkers is negligible . 
 

indian bowlers are mainly used to bowl cutters into the pitch . Or slower ones like harshal and unadkat . 
 

4 - death of the all rounder . 
with the sub rule , we won’t know who is a true all rounder . 
 

IPL in short is leading to the rise of the accumulators at the top , the Kumars who bowl cutters , the desth of all round abilities and the complete absence of power hitters. 
 

I don’t expect any t20 trophies as components which win u t20 matches are all outsourced and home talent is never gonna given full chance to blossom or develop or any incentive . 
 

as I speak , kohli just scored 4 runs in over 14 .. set at 50 in 40 balls . Gavaskar recommends taking risks . The other guy admires his consistency: fans are joyous as their god reaches yet another useless milestone 

 

 

 

As has been said many timea, IPL teams are under no obligation to play indian players or improve them. If indian power hitters or openers are not as good as international ones, they won't get in the team. And it is because of this exposure that there is a crop of batsmen now who can deliver that ball striking from the get go. Can't quantify how much Abhishek for instance has learnt from Head and others over the years.

[mani sha]

On 4/28/2024 at 3:06 AM, Sooda said:

 

As has been said many timea, IPL teams are under no obligation to play indian players or improve them. If indian power hitters or openers are not as good as international ones, they won't get in the team. And it is because of this exposure that there is a crop of batsmen now who can deliver that ball striking from the get go. Can't quantify how much Abhishek for instance has learnt from Head and others over the years.

Yes. An abhishek shines and then what ? He ain’t going to be picked as our selectors will do the same thing again . 
 

ideally , only 6 indian teams after IPL play a t20 India cup . See who performs best . The team select ion has to be based of that 

[Strangering]

You mean it's not normal for the

1. in-form batsman to get out in the 19th over in every game

2. For the bowler to forget how to bowl

3. Dhoni can walk out and smash the bowler 

4. Crowd go berserk

 

Its definitely not scripted.