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MS Dhoni selected players based on who served him the best hookah - Irfan Pathan !!!

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Gollum Grand Master

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8 minutes ago, Manucrick said:

Yuvi save  thala big ass in 2007 and 2011 

Even in 2013 CT, Thala's contribution was zero. Went on to sink our 2015 and 19 WC campaigns.....was passenger in all WT20s and CTs. Less we talk about tests, the better. 

 

I am not joking when I say that with Saha in our T20 team, we would have won one more WT20 in the 2010s....that could have killed 2 birds (opener Rahane, Thala) with one stone. 

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ShoonyaSifar Community Regular

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3 hours ago, Gollum said:

Even in 2013 CT, Thala's contribution was zero. Went on to sink our 2015 and 19 WC campaigns.....was passenger in all WT20s and CTs. Less we talk about tests, the better. 

 

I am not joking when I say that with Saha in our T20 team, we would have won one more WT20 in the 2010s....that could have killed 2 birds (opener Rahane, Thala) with one stone. 

That feels unfair to him.

 

He took over Indian white-ball cricket right after the 2007 World Cup exit, which was one of the lowest points for us. The recovery from the Greg Chappell era really began with the 2007 T20 World Cup. Yuvraj, Gambhir, and the bowlers were crucial, but Dhoni’s captaincy mattered too. Then came the 2008 CB Series win, another big step.

In Tests, he led us to the number one ranking in 2009, and that all format captain journey culminated with the 2011 World Cup win at home. Those first three or four years under Dhoni were a golden stretch, both for the team and for fans.

 

But then the mix of his closeness with Srinivasan, Srinivasan’s iron grip on the BCCI, and Dhoni’s portrayal as the undisputed king of Indian cricket changed the equation and it was all downhill for him - 0-8 in Eng and Aug, unceremoniously ousting Sehwag and Gambhir, sudden exit from captaincy mid-tour, the 2015 and 2019 WC disasters. 2013 CT win and IPL was the only solace for him in those years.

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Gollum Grand Master

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19 minutes ago, ShoonyaSifar said:

That feels unfair to him.

 

He took over Indian white-ball cricket right after the 2007 World Cup exit, which was one of the lowest points for us. The recovery from the Greg Chappell era really began with the 2007 T20 World Cup. Yuvraj, Gambhir, and the bowlers were crucial, but Dhoni’s captaincy mattered too. Then came the 2008 CB Series win, another big step.

In Tests, he led us to the number one ranking in 2009, and that all format captain journey culminated with the 2011 World Cup win at home. Those first three or four years under Dhoni were a golden stretch, both for the team and for fans.

 

But then the mix of his closeness with Srinivasan, Srinivasan’s iron grip on the BCCI, and Dhoni’s portrayal as the undisputed king of Indian cricket changed the equation and it was all downhill for him - 0-8 in Eng and Aug, unceremoniously ousting Sehwag and Gambhir, sudden exit from captaincy mid-tour, the 2015 and 2019 WC disasters. 2013 CT win and IPL was the only solace for him in those years.

I was a big fan of Dhoni till 2011 WC. But what he did after that negates whatever good he did for Indian cricket, no checks and balances either. Ultimately, power corrupts even the finest of men, one person should never have absolute power, be it cricket or politics. We in India especially have to be more careful because we have this habit of blind hero worship, making an individual bigger than the system, cult of personality etc. 

 

PS: Btw nice to see you posting more regularly these days. 

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jf1gp_1 Grand Master

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On 9/3/2025 at 3:18 PM, Sooda said:

Well it may be true but unfortunately Irfans bowling form rapidly declined for a range of reasons too so don't think he can assign it all to hukkah parties 

 

Sad case of what could have been for Irfan. He had a great career, world champion and key player for a long time, but feels like it should have been so much more. 

Irfan was a likeable player but every time he used to bowl you knew opposition was getting easy runs. His decline was rapid, if i remember correctly he also had a back injury. 

BacktoCricaddict Grand Master

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Why should we believe these rumors? Not taking sides, but there's so much crap coming from so many people with axes to grind, so it would be good take a step back and ask "why should I believe this?" "Where is the evidence?" "What if it is not true?"

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13 hours ago, BacktoCricaddict said:

Why should we believe these rumors? Not taking sides, but there's so much crap coming from so many people with axes to grind, so it would be good take a step back and ask "why should I believe this?" "Where is the evidence?" "What if it is not true?"

Why are you posting logically sound rationale ? That's bs, please stick to icf approved messaging with healthy dose of speculation and hearsay. 

Sooda Mentor

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On 9/5/2025 at 7:00 AM, jf1gp_1 said:

Irfan was a likeable player but every time he used to bowl you knew opposition was getting easy runs. His decline was rapid, if i remember correctly he also had a back injury. 

 

I don't think "every time" is fair but yeah certainly towards the back end of his career. For a long time in ODIs he was very good new ball bowler 

Number Grand Master

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"Hooka lagana/bharna" is kind of a slang not to be taken in literal sense. It means serving like a slave.

 

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New guy Grand Master

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17 hours ago, Number said:

"Hooka lagana/bharna" is kind of a slang not to be taken in literal sense. It means serving like a slave.

 

That's even worse, right?

New guy Grand Master

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On 9/6/2025 at 10:53 AM, Vilander said:

Why are you posting logically sound rationale ? That's bs, please stick to icf approved messaging with healthy dose of speculation and hearsay. 

 

On 9/5/2025 at 8:55 PM, BacktoCricaddict said:

Why should we believe these rumors? Not taking sides, but there's so much crap coming from so many people with axes to grind, so it would be good take a step back and ask "why should I believe this?" "Where is the evidence?" "What if it is not true?"

It's pathans own words on video. How is that "rumors"? You can claim he was lying, but that's another topic.  Then you are just calling Pathan a liar without any evidence too.

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BacktoCricaddict Grand Master

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5 hours ago, New guy said:

 

It's pathans own words on video. How is that "rumors"? You can claim he was lying, but that's another topic.  Then you are just calling Pathan a liar without any evidence too.

If Pathan claims something, the burden is on him to back it up. I'll wait for some corroboration. 

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4 hours ago, BacktoCricaddict said:

If Pathan claims something, the burden is on him to back it up. I'll wait for some corroboration. 

Pathan is narrating his experience. Do you expect players to walk around with cameras all the time to record all interactions to share with you? What kind of proof is expected in such a situation? 

 

Since you are claiming he is lying, what is your corroboration on it? 

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