Personal milestones 'out of our system' - Kohli

[New guy]

1 minute ago, Cricketics said:

It is a casual statment where he must be speaking something and and said that. It shouldn't have turned into an article and eventually a thread here. 

 

And since there was so much debate about it, I must mention that there is nothing wrong in what he said. 

If you say something, then you need to walk the talk too, no exceptions. Every captain in the past who worried about personal milestones had solid excuses too

[Cricketics]

8 minutes ago, New guy said:

If you say something, then you need to walk the talk too, no exceptions. Every captain in the past who worried about personal milestones had solid excuses too

He is doing it. He hasn't done anything against his statement. He backed his bowlers to get them out in one day even after Nair scored 300 and they did it. India won, Nair scored 300 too. Time wasn't waisted. 

 

I don't see anything to discuss on this. He did brilliant. 

[coffee_rules]

He told this in the post match interview. The huge first innings lead is what broke them. That was his strategy as well in Mumbai. He wanted that 280 run lead. May be in hindsight 250 was good enough, but the decision to bat more was the right one for winning. Personal milestones were a bonus.

[SRT100]

Make NO MISTAKE, Kohli allowing Karun to get his 300 is what secured victory for India imo.

 

Basically it ensured India would NOT bat again and England would have to score their runs on Day 5.

 

I get the feeling if England batted for an hour on Day 4, they may have had a lead of around 50-100 runs with India needing to score this in about 5-8 overs, not impossible but unlikely imo.

[putrevus]

Kohli needed all those runs to put the scoreboard pressure.Yes he might have waited 3 overs too long but Nair was scoring very fast  and unlike someone who really slowed down nearing milestones , he was scoring at very rapid pace. last 10 overs they added 80 odd runs which in the end were very important

[SRT100]

Must hand it to Kohli, achieved multiple goals on Day 4 and Day 5.

 

Allowed Karun to become a triple centurion and gave the bowlers enough time to bowl and take 10 wickets.

 

Must have been tempting to call Karun in when he past 250. A jealous captain may have declared a lot earlier.

[mishra]

12 hours ago, Cricketics said:

He is doing it. He hasn't done anything against his statement. He backed his bowlers to get them out in one day even after Nair scored 300 and they did it. India won, Nair scored 300 too. Time wasn't waisted. 

 

I don't see anything to discuss on this. He did brilliant. 

Bowlers managed to get 10 wicket on relatively flat pitch and you give credit to Kohli for backing them but how does that justifies kohli's declaration decision as soon as Nair hit that four to reach tripple hundred.

[Cricketics]

7 minutes ago, mishra said:

Bowlers managed to get 10 wicket on relatively flat pitch and you give credit to Kohli for backing them but how does that justifies kohli's declaration decision as soon as Nair hit that four to reach tripple hundred.

1-2 over delay isn't delaying for milestone. For me it is common sense that if a batsman is around 285. I would have him play 2 more overs to allow him toget to 300. That is not impacting the result of the game. If I do not let him, then it is absurd captaincy, where we have played for this long, why not bat few more as it isn't going to impact the game. It is not considered playing for milestones. 

[mishra]

^ OK, so you agree 2 overs ( IMO it was 5 -7 overs as that should have let English face 12+ overs to give outside chance to take 1 wicket) were to achieve a personnel milestone.

[Cricketics]

^When the term personal milestone is used, it is a broad statment. In this case, it was to achieve the glory which comes once in a life time for players and for most it never comes. Once 300 came, Kohli thought it is probably enough now to bring England moral's further down by declaring.

 

Remember, Cook dropping Nair at 34 is part of the history now. Kohli letting Nair make 300 also humbled Cook a bit more than what he had been after our 700 score. 

[zen]

Good to know .... it was sad to see Kapil's quest for that useless (useless because others bowlers have a higher wkts per inning number) WR, followed by Tendulkar's dumb pursuit of 100 international 100s (which many of his bhakts hilariously equate with a "test" batting avg of 100) 

 

Quality > Quantity 

 

 

 

Edited December 21, 2016 by zen

[nevada]

If Kohli had allowed Karun to bat on to break the 400 record or Viru's 319, that would be a problem. But Kohli declared promptly at 303, after the lead got substantial. If Karun had batted slowly for his 300 then it would be an issue but he played aggresively and took the game away from England. 

[Sidhoni]

I think Graeme Smith once declared with ABDV batting on 275+, now that is a system where personal milestones have no place.

[urbestfriend]

As part of backing Nair up, Kohli was happy to delay the declaration on the fourth evening. "This guy is close to 300 and it doesn't happen every day. It's not like he is taking 10 overs to do it. He was hitting sixes, he was hitting fours, he was getting us a bigger lead. So it was a perfect scenario where he got us to a stage where we couldn't have batted again and at the same time, we had enough overs.

"If the wicket was doing enough, then those overs were good enough. If we have five bowlers, we should be able to knock teams off in 90-plus overs. That's exactly what we did. It's all how you go about that particular situation. The good thing was Karun really stepped it up close to his milestone and he didn't take too long to get there. So it gave us five overs yesterday."

[coffee_rules]

3 hours ago, Sidhoni said:

I think Graeme Smith once declared with ABDV batting on 275+, now that is a system where personal milestones have no place.

http://www.espncricinfo.com/pakistan-v-south-africa-2010/engine/current/match/461572.html

 

It happened in the first innings, when ABDV was 278*, SA had already played 150+ overs and had to get Pak play at the end of D2. This is apples v/s jackfruit comparison. 

 

Even here, Smith was too early yo declare, I1 you have to bat big. 600+ runs would have been paramount as even to avoid the follow-on you need to score 400+. 

 

KN was scoring at rate of 100 SR to justify the delay by about 5-6 overs.

Edited December 21, 2016 by coffee_rules

[Sidhoni]

6 hours ago, coffee_rules said:

http://www.espncricinfo.com/pakistan-v-south-africa-2010/engine/current/match/461572.html

 

It happened in the first innings, when ABDV was 278*, SA had already played 150+ overs and had to get Pak play at the end of D2. This is apples v/s jackfruit comparison. 

 

Even here, Smith was too early yo declare, I1 you have to bat big. 600+ runs would have been paramount as even to avoid the follow-on you need to score 400+. 

 

KN was scoring at rate of 100 SR to justify the delay by about 5-6 overs.

Not talking about the tactical effectiveness again. Its just the fact that his decision making was not affected by a personal milestone.

[velu]

Peesonal milestones are not completely out of the system..

But considering the match situation that we expected to draw , its ok to go for the milestone

[mishra]

13 hours ago, zen said:

Good to know .... it was sad to see Kapil's quest for that useless (useless because others bowlers have a higher wkts per inning number) WR, followed by Tendulkar's dumb pursuit of 100 international 100s (which many of his bhakts hilariously equate with a "test" batting avg of 100) 

 

Quality > Quantity 

 

 

 

So what personnel milestone for example Sehwag was chasing for last 3 years of his career to average whopping 28 against his average of 54 prior to that?

 

[goose]

I don't see the problem here. A message probably went out to Nair that if you want the 300 you're going to have to murder the bowling.

[Sidhoni]

Bump