Sir Jadeja averages 50 with bat in last 10 matches

[Trichromatic]

Last 10 matches

454 runs at avg of 50.44 with 6 50s

57 wickets at avg of 21 

 

Last 15 matches

641 runs at avg of 45.78

and 77 wickets at avg of 22.84

 

 

[I6MTW]

overall stats?

[SK_IH]

should stick to test cricket ,dont think he is any good batsman despite these stats 

[sourab10forever]

Sirji

 

[rtmohanlal]

those avg:s are highly inflated by not outs. Yet these stats are truly remarkable.Hope he goes on with same level of performances.

[Pollack]

He also averages 30+ in ODI batting very low down. Is it really reflection of his batting? Few conmen can easily master the art of maintaining high averages.

[Gollum]

He will be brutally exposed in SA. Gun player in SC still. 

[Laaloo]

22 minutes ago, Pollack said:

He also averages 30+ in ODI batting very low down. Is it really reflection of his batting? Few conmen can easily master the art of maintaining high averages.

[Sachinism]

In SC we have a batsman who comes in at 8/9 averages 30. Can't complain

[sandeep]

Let's not anoint him as a batsman or even an allrounder - but he's proving himself to be a very handy #8.  If you expect him to chip in with the odd 20 or 30 runs, he will continue to exceed expectations.  Its when you start expecting regular 50s, you will end up disappointed.   

 

I want him to score a 100, just to see what kind of mad celebration he will come up with - I'm in the minority of folks who think his 50 celebration is awesome.  

[sandeep]

14 minutes ago, Gollum said:

He will be brutally exposed in SA. Gun player in SC still. 

I think he'll do OK with the bat if he plays - can be expected to chip in with 20 odd here and there.   That's a meaningful contribution if he can do muster it.   Bigger question is whether he can find a way to be an effective bowler.  Because he won't be in the XI if he can't.   

[Trichromatic]

1 hour ago, rtmohanlal said:

those avg:s are highly inflated by not outs. Yet these stats are truly remarkable.Hope he goes on with same level of performances.

 

24 minutes ago, sandeep said:

Let's not anoint him as a batsman or even an allrounder - but he's proving himself to be a very handy #8.  If you expect him to chip in with the odd 20 or 30 runs, he will continue to exceed expectations.  Its when you start expecting regular 50s, you will end up disappointed.   

 

I want him to score a 100, just to see what kind of mad celebration he will come up with - I'm in the minority of folks who think his 50 celebration is awesome.  

 

Yes, when you see 4 not outs in last 13 innings and 8 not out in last 22 innings, it's easy to notice that those averages are inflated by not outs.

 

But then also notice that he has hit 6 fifties in last 13 inning, that's once in every 2 inning. Only Pujara and Rahul have hit more 50+ scores than him. Kohli and Rahane both have 4 50+ scores each. So likes of Kohli, Rahane, Vijay, Ashwin and Saha have been less consistent than him. 

 

He has been consistent and his average is reflection of how he has batted.

 

He has scored more runs than Ashwin, Saha and Vijay during this period and is 66 runs short of Rahane. 

 

Overall figures

Player	Mat	Inns	NO	Runs	HS	Ave	BF	SR	100	50	0	50+	4s	6s
CA Pujara	10	16	1	982	202	65.46	2103	46.69	3	5	1	8	100	2
KL Rahul	8	12	1	685	199	62.27	1153	59.41	1	7	0	8	79	5
RA Jadeja	10	13	4	454	90	50.44	671	67.66	0	6	0	6	33	16
V Kohli	9	14	2	725	235	60.41	1070	67.75	3	1	1	4	72	3
AM Rahane	8	13	2	520	132	47.27	960	54.16	1	3	1	4	55	4
R Ashwin	10	12	0	327	72	27.25	565	57.87	0	3	1	3	40	2
WP Saha	7	9	2	363	117	51.85	722	50.27	2	1	1	3	27	5
M Vijay	7	11	0	405	136	36.81	874	46.33	2	1	1	3	42	5
PA Patel	3	4	1	195	71	65.00	282	69.14	0	2	0	2	25	1
J Yadav	3	4	0	166	104	41.50	372	44.62	1	1	0	2	21	0
S Dhawan	2	3	0	239	190	79.66	219	109.13	1	0	0	1	39	1
A Mukund	2	4	0	109	81	27.25	182	59.89	0	1	1	1	11	1
KK Nair	6	7	1	374	303*	62.33	506	73.91	1	0	1	1	41	4
HH Pandya	2	2	0	70	50	35.00	69	101.44	0	1	0	1	8	3
Kuldeep Yadav	1	1	0	7	7	7.00	17	41.17	0	0	0	0	1	0
B Kumar	3	2	0	9	9	4.50	24	37.50	0	0	1	0	2	0
Mohammed Shami	3	3	1	50	30	25.00	39	128.20	0	0	0	0	1	5
I Sharma	5	5	2	8	6	2.66	40	20.00	0	0	2	0	1	0
UT Yadav	10	11	7	62	16	15.50	136	45.58	0	0	0	0	5	2
A Mishra	1	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-

[Gollum]

2 minutes ago, sandeep said:

I think he'll do OK with the bat if he plays - can be expected to chip in with 20 odd here and there.   That's a meaningful contribution if he can do muster it.   Bigger question is whether he can find a way to be an effective bowler.  Because he won't be in the XI if he can't.   

I think both Sirjee and Saha will find it tough on seaming bouncy pitches because of their front foot trigger and lack of spin bowlers in SA lineup. These 2 score a bulk of their runs against the spinners, Du Plessis won't show them a spinner as long as they are out there in the middle. Saha can be easily worked out by short pitch stuff, in case of Jadeja he will struggle massively against the full pitched seaming deliveries. Ashwin's advantage is he has a proper technique and he has shown his ability with the bat in England and Australia in the past. I think he is better against the quicks than spinners, so we can realistically expect him to score at an average of 35-40 in those conditions. 

 

I don't think we should expect too much from our spinners there, SA curators will make sure they are out of the game as they did with Herath last year(heights of pitch doctoring !!!). Our quicks will have to do the heavy lifting. Best I expect from a spinner there is 20-22 overs per day at an economy rate of under 3.5 and 1/2 wickets per innings. They must help build pressure from one end by keeping things tight and giving quicks sufficient rest. Jaddu can do this for sure but team management must take a serious look at his batting. With 5 bowlers and Saha as WK our tail starts a bit early.

[sandeep]

11 minutes ago, Gollum said:

I think both Sirjee and Saha will find it tough on seaming bouncy pitches because of their front foot trigger and lack of spin bowlers in SA lineup. These 2 score a bulk of their runs against the spinners, Du Plessis won't show them a spinner as long as they are out there in the middle. Saha can be easily worked out by short pitch stuff, in case of Jadeja he will struggle massively against the full pitched seaming deliveries. Ashwin's advantage is he has a proper technique and he has shown his ability with the bat in England and Australia in the past. I think he is better against the quicks than spinners, so we can realistically expect him to score at an average of 35-40 in those conditions. 

 

I don't think we should expect too much from our spinners there, SA curators will make sure they are out of the game as they did with Herath last year(heights of pitch doctoring !!!). Our quicks will have to do the heavy lifting. Best I expect from a spinner there is 20-22 overs per day at an economy rate of under 3.5 and 1/2 wickets per innings. They must help build pressure from one end by keeping things tight and giving quicks sufficient rest. Jaddu can do this for sure but team management must take a serious look at his batting. With 5 bowlers and Saha as WK our tail starts a bit early.

We need to start thinking of Ash as our #6 bat for away tours.   If Saha can overcome the issues you highlight, we can even risk playing 4 bowlers + Ash - whether that's 4 quicks, or 3 + a wrist spinner who can't be nullified by pitch doctoring.  

 

I like Pandya as a prospect, but playing 3 quicks + Ash and Pandya seems a bit of a copout to me at this point - I would rather see the team play a more effective bowler in Pandya's place if we can help it.   I have gone back and forth with a few ICFers on the merits of selecting Pandya in ODIs, where they made flawed arguments about him not being good enough with either primary skill - that argument is BS for LOI cricket, but has merit for tests.   At this point in time anyway.  

[Pollack]

55 minutes ago, sandeep said:

Let's not anoint him as a batsman or even an allrounder - but he's proving himself to be a very handy #8.  If you expect him to chip in with the odd 20 or 30 runs, he will continue to exceed expectations.  Its when you start expecting regular 50s, you will end up disappointed.   

 

I want him to score a 100, just to see what kind of mad celebration he will come up with - I'm in the minority of folks who think his 50 celebration is awesome.  

Outside subcontinent particularly in SA, NZ, Aus and ENG, one cannot even expect him to chip 20-30 odds. This home season he has mostly enjoyed riding on a very good platform set by top order and conditions being relatively easier by the time he bats.

[Gollum]

17 minutes ago, sandeep said:

We need to start thinking of Ash as our #6 bat for away tours.   If Saha can overcome the issues you highlight, we can even risk playing 4 bowlers + Ash - whether that's 4 quicks, or 3 + a wrist spinner who can't be nullified by pitch doctoring.  

 

I like Pandya as a prospect, but playing 3 quicks + Ash and Pandya seems a bit of a copout to me at this point - I would rather see the team play a more effective bowler in Pandya's place if we can help it.   I have gone back and forth with a few ICFers on the merits of selecting Pandya in ODIs, where they made flawed arguments about him not being good enough with either primary skill - that argument is BS for LOI cricket, but has merit for tests.   At this point in time anyway.  

I completely agree with you, Ash should be our #6 in away tours and am glad the team management is thinking along those lines, that's why since the WI tour they given him more chances at #6. Hope they stick to this policy and don't have a brainfade when the actual series starts by sending Maggi at #6. 

 

I firmly believe we must play 5 bowlers in away tours. I would go with Ash, Kuldeep/Jaddu/Pandya(depending on pitch, form and performance in warm up matches), Shami, Umesh, Bhuvi/Ishant. In the past we have come short in these away matches because of being one bowler short, let's try the 5 bowler strategy and see how we do. Besides Ash the #6 is no way worse than 2013-14 Maggi or 2010-11 Raina(played the test in Centurion where we lost by an innings, his contributions read 1(3), 5(13) and 7 overs, 77 runs and no wicket  http://www.cricbuzz.com/live-cricket-scorecard/3358/rsa-vs-ind-1st-test-india-in-south-africa-2010-11)/2010-11 Pujara. Team management has to be brave and play Ash at #6, considering past history of our specialist bats who have graced that position. I am personally tempted to pick Bhuvi ahead of Lambu because we need our tail to wag more often than not, besides Ishant is yet to learn how to pick up wickets. 

 

About Pandya I don't think he is ready yet to be in the starting XI on most pitches. He is still a bits and pieces cricketer in my eyes and I would play him in SA only if we are served a greentop. In that case I will go with Ash+Pandya+3 quicks. In greentops his batting may come in handy, he is definitely more accomplished than Kuldeep with the bat and more useful with the ball than Jaddu in such a situation. Between Jaddu and Kuldeep I prefer the latter, unless he is injured or in poor form in the lead up to that series.

[express bowling]

 

1 hour ago, sandeep said:

I like Pandya as a prospect, but playing 3 quicks + Ash and Pandya seems a bit of a copout to me at this point - I would rather see the team play a more effective bowler in Pandya's place if we can help it.  

 

I was unsure about playing Pandya in test matches too.

 

In the 2nd innings of the last test, Pandya impressed as a test bowler. It was a flat pitch but he bowled 5 or 4 deliveries around the off-stump while hitting the deck hard and punctuated this with 1 or 2 effective bouncers.  This is classic test match bowling and resulted in quite a few edges.   He came across as someone who was trying to set-up batsmen.  If he can continue this then I will be inclined to play him in SA.

 

Among our pacers, only Shami can bowl accurately while hitting the deck hard in tests ( Bumrah can too but is not picked in tests ).  Umesh can hit the deck hard but is not accurate enough, Bhuvi is very accurate but does not hit the deck hard often enough, Ishant bowls too many " leave me " deliveries.

 

This is making me interested in Pandya the test pacer.

[Tibarn]

Jaddu is the 2nd ranked Test allrounder in the world, 1 point ahead of Ash.

 

It's sad that none of the top 10 allrounders are even close to the class of Kallis. Hopefully Pandya reaches those heights.    

[sourab10forever]

Ben Stokes will soon be right up there.

1 hour ago, Tibarn said:

Jaddu is the 2nd ranked Test allrounder in the world, 1 point ahead of Ash.

 

It's sad that none of the top 10 allrounders are even close to the class of Kallis. Hopefully Pandya reaches those heights.    

 

[Sandeep99]

Not really convinced. I guess most of his runs came when India pushed for declaration. Even then he made sure he remained not out, not taking anything away from him. I felt Ashwin and Saha scored more 'valuable' runs, even if at an inferior average..