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On 9/8/2018 at 1:08 AM, zen said:

Bollywood gamechangers:

 

  • Awaara
  • Mughal-e-Azam
  • Waqt - 1st real multi-starrer iirc w/ lost and found theme 
  • Bobby
  • Deewar - The relatively negative angry young man character that AB played in many of his films 

Why Bobby?

Apart from amazing music, it didn't have much going for it. The plot was very predictable and the support cast were under utilized.

Also, the caricature like portrayal of Bobby and her family was very cringe worthy.

 

A better 'elope' story was Dil. Easier to empathize with the Aamir Madhuri jodi. In fact it opened the door for many of the "run away get married" movies.  

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3 hours ago, Mariyam said:

Why Bobby?

Apart from amazing music, it didn't have much going for it. The plot was very predictable and the support cast were under utilized.

Also, the caricature like portrayal of Bobby and her family was very cringe worthy.

 

A better 'elope' story was Dil. Easier to empathize with the Aamir Madhuri jodi. In fact it opened the door for many of the "run away get married" movies.  

QSQT started it before Dil.

Bobby is supposedly the path breakaway movie, unabashedly modern, celebrating rich and youth, unhinged about sex, objectifying women, sorry girls, showed how Raj Kapoor went from awara to a sexual pervert. 

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2 hours ago, coffee_rules said:

QSQT started it before Dil.

Bobby is supposedly the path breakaway movie, unabashedly modern, celebrating rich and youth, unhinged about sex, objectifying women, sorry girls, showed how Raj Kapoor went from awara to a sexual pervert. 

That song 'Ghe Ghe Ghere' in the movie was actually a folk song about a native Goan losing his everything to the Portuguese & depicting his anguish & pain. RK 'The Great Showman' made it into a happy folk song showing banter between lovers.

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6 hours ago, Mariyam said:

Why Bobby?

Apart from amazing music, it didn't have much going for it. The plot was very predictable and the support cast were under utilized.

Also, the caricature like portrayal of Bobby and her family was very cringe worthy.

 

A better 'elope' story was Dil. Easier to empathize with the Aamir Madhuri jodi. In fact it opened the door for many of the "run away get married" movies.  

It changed the the scope of love stories. It needs to be edited for the 21st century and rereleased :lol: .... I find elements of Bobby in many films including Maine Pyar Kiya for e.g. 

 

 

 

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In terms of pop culture,its got to be Sholay.The movie churned out characters and dialogues that are still in use till this day.

A few others would be Mr. India,Waqt

 

In terms of movies that make you think,Mother India was pretty impactful.

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On 9/12/2018 at 5:09 PM, coffee_rules said:

QSQT started it before Dil.

Bobby is supposedly the path breakaway movie, unabashedly modern, celebrating rich and youth, unhinged about sex, objectifying women, sorry girls, showed how Raj Kapoor went from awara to a sexual pervert. 

I had my timelines all mixed up. QSQT is indeed a year and a half before Dil.

The lyricist for the QSQT songs was 'Majruh' Sultanpuri. One of his last major works.

 

Between the two, I liked Dil more. The end of QSQT is very bleak. And there is this notion that exists that a love story has to be tragic to be a real story. Most Indian love stories, even in our folk-lore, have been romantic tragedies. 

Dil ends on a positive note and is therefore a lot more likable.

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On 9/13/2018 at 12:27 AM, Yoda-esque said:

In terms of pop culture,its got to be Sholay.The movie churned out characters and dialogues that are still in use till this day.

A few others would be Mr. India,Waqt

 

In terms of movies that make you think,Mother India was pretty impactful.

I agree. Mother India more impactful than Mr.India. And Naya Daur also fairly impactful. This is wrt impact on the society, view vis a vis the tiller and the general soft spot that the movies created for the farming community. Different times though.

 

Naya Daur also deserves a mention.

 

Mr.India however, had much more of an impact on film making and the characters are more memorable. We'd all remember Mr.India, Hawa Hawai, Mogambo, Cadbury and Gaitonde. But we'd struggle to remember Birju.

 

Only you and @zen rate Waqt. Very formulaic and not much to speak about IMO. 

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17 minutes ago, Mariyam said:

 

Only you and @zen rate Waqt. Very formulaic and not much to speak about IMO. 

The gamechangers that I listed were for their impact on Bollywood (not necessarily society) - as Waqt, as far as I recall, was the first major multi-starrer blockbuster w/ lost and found theme, which continued well into the 70s-80s  

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18 minutes ago, Mariyam said:

I agree. Mother India more impactful than Mr.India. And Naya Daur also fairly impactful. This is wrt impact on the society, view vis a vis the tiller and the general soft spot that the movies created for the farming community. Different times though.

 

Naya Daur also deserves a mention.

 

Mr.India however, had much more of an impact on film making and the characters are more memorable. We'd all remember Mr.India, Hawa Hawai, Mogambo, Cadbury and Gaitonde. But we'd struggle to remember Birju.

 

Only you and @zen rate Waqt. Very formulaic and not much to speak about IMO. 

Before Sholay, Ganga Jamuna was path breaking showing villagers taking up arms against the establishment. Dilip Saab was top notch in that movie.

 

I don't rate Waqt, a very out-dated , while the formula of family breaking up and uniting in the end, the main plot of many MMD movies (Amar Akbar Anthony etc.), was invented by Wqt. 

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On 9/12/2018 at 3:54 AM, Mariyam said:

Why Bobby?

Apart from amazing music, it didn't have much going for it. The plot was very predictable and the support cast were under utilized.

Also, the caricature like portrayal of Bobby and her family was very cringe worthy.

 

A better 'elope' story was Dil. Easier to empathize with the Aamir Madhuri jodi. In fact it opened the door for many of the "run away get married" movies.  

But Dil was too loud with Anupam Kher being outlandish. I like subtle movies. 

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Before Sholay, Ganga Jamuna was path breaking showing villagers taking up arms against the establishment. Dilip Saab was top notch in that movie.
 
I don't rate Waqt, a very out-dated , while the formula of family breaking up and uniting in the end, the main plot of many MMD movies (Amar Akbar Anthony etc.), was invented by Wqt. 
AmaR Akbar Anthonys most fave scene?

Yes,the one where the 3 brothers are donating blood at the same time and the gravity defying blood ttavels upward and then down again to Nirupa Roy.

Great film though.

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Aamir would cringe today if he were to see Dil.That film promoted chhaprism and mavaalism:)

I had my timelines all mixed up. QSQT is indeed a year and a half before Dil.
The lyricist for the QSQT songs was 'Majruh' Sultanpuri. One of his last major works.
 
Between the two, I liked Dil more. The end of QSQT is very bleak. And there is this notion that exists that a love story has to be tragic to be a real story. Most Indian love stories, even in our folk-lore, have been romantic tragedies. 
Dil ends on a positive note and is therefore a lot more likable.


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If Bollywood wants to release some of the old films on 4k HDR blue ray (and re-edited), beautifully shot films such as Pakeezah would be great contenders 

 

Below is Leon the Professional 4K treatment, which made it appear like a modern film:

 

a) Regular Blue Ray / DVD 

 

 

 

 

b) Leon in 4K HDR

 

 

 

^ the color palette is more natural and films looks sharper .... of course your TV would need HDR support to fully appreciate film in 4K HDR 

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9 hours ago, Yoda-esque said:

AmaR Akbar Anthonys most fave scene?

Yes,the one where the 3 brothers are donating blood at the same time and the gravity defying blood ttavels upward and then down again to Nirupa Roy.

Great film though.

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In the scene that you mention, the windows behind Amar Akbar Anthony had a mandir, a masjid and a church in that order. :phehe:

I also enjoyed AB's mirror dialogue and his rendition of the Benjamin Disraeli monologue before the song My name is Anthony Gonzalves.

 

Music too was so likable: Parda hai parda and Shirdi wale.

Lovely movie.

 

 

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9 hours ago, Yoda-esque said:

Aamir would cringe today if he were to see Dil.That film promoted chhaprism and mavaalism:)

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Are you mistaking Dil for Rangeela:p:

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Actually, come to think of it, most of dilip kumars movies were quite influential. Truly one of, if not the greatest Indian actor. During the time of theatrical acting and over emoting , dilip Kumar carved a niche for himself with his natural, subtle acting. He didn't overact or over emphasize, his was purely methodical. He was an inspiration for the succeeding generations. Theres a saying  " before there was Marlon Brando there was Dilip Kumar". India's first method actor.

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Although not as popular, I think Kaala Patthar deserves to be in there.

 

Cast: Amitabh, Shashi Kapoor, Parveen Babi, Mac, Neetu Singh, Shatrughan Sinha, Raakhee, Sanjeev Kumar.

 

Based on Chasnala mining disaster which bought forward the horrible working environment and hardships that the mine workers are subjected to by the management. 

 

 

 

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Bollywood gamechangers:
 
  • Awaara
  • Mughal-e-Azam
  • Waqt - 1st real multi-starrer iirc w/ lost and found theme 
  • Bobby
  • Deewar - The relatively negative angry young man character that AB played in many of his films 
Pardon me but Ek duje ke liye was much better movie than Bobby, with one of the most beautiful song tere mere beech main kaisa hai Ye Bandhan anjaana

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1 hour ago, vayuu1 said:

Pardon me but Ek duje ke liye was much better movie than Bobby, with one of the most beautiful song tere mere beech main kaisa hai Ye Bandhan anjaana

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My  game changers list the films that impacted Bollywood (good, better and best can be on personal taste). Bobby changed the scope for "young" love stories, and when adjusted for inflation is among the biggest blockbusters .... Bobby's songs are still in demand 

 

Ek dujhe ke liya is good too but IMO not aged well in my opinion. Films like Betaab and Hero, that were released during that time, have aged relatively better. Have not seen Love Story recently but I suspect that it may have aged relatively well too 

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6 hours ago, zen said:

My  game changers list the films that impacted Bollywood (good, better and best can be on personal taste). Bobby changed the scope for "young" love stories, and when adjusted for inflation is among the biggest blockbusters .... Bobby's songs are still in demand 

 

Ek dujhe ke liya is good too but IMO not aged well in my opinion. Films like Betaab and Hero, that were released during that time, have aged relatively better. Have not seen Love Story recently but I suspect that it may have aged relatively well too 

EDKL was more real and hence looks outdated to today's sensibilities, but Betaab and Hero are fluffy superficial nonsense will not look dated because of it.

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Swades was a mastepiece which was even liked by people from overseas. I think Ashutosh Gowariker deserves a tip of the hat for the effort he put into this movie as it had some brilliant scenes. I felt SRK was brilliant in this movie, one of his best efforts.  AR Rahman’s music was again top notch too and together the combination deserves special mentiona and this movie surely deserves a mention in the Bollywood’s Hall of fame. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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