Bhuvi in ODIs vs Ishant in Tests

[coffee_rules]

Eeriely similar stats

 

Ishant - 81 tests144 innings 234 wkts Average 35.94 SR 66.6 Econ 3.23

 

Bhuvi - 83 ODIs, 90 wkts Average 37.07 SR 44.8 Econ 4.96

 

Persisted because of SR  or aTINA?

 

[LORD_analyst]

1 hour ago, coffee_rules said:

Eeriely similar stats

 

Ishant - 81 tests144 innings 234 wkts Average 35.94 SR 66.6 Econ 3.23

 

Bhuvi - 83 ODIs, 90 wkts Average 37.07 SR 44.8 Econ 4.96

 

Persisted because of SR  or aTINA?

 

if u look at 2017-18 ishant has much better figures in tests than bhuvi in odis....

[Tattieboy]

Comparing apples against oranges 

With stats at present time Ishant has better ODI figures 

Bhuvi has better Test figures 

[coffee_rules]

3 hours ago, Tattieboy said:

Comparing apples against oranges 

With stats at present time Ishant has better ODI figures 

Bhuvi has better Test figures 

 

The point of the thread being persisting with a bowler despite having bad numbers. I think bowlers have a utility value and that proves their selection depite not having numbers to prove. If Ishant gets all the abuses for Test selection, Bhuvi should get the same in ODIs. He is expensive when he is not picking wickets on a helpful pitch. Bhuvi has good batting unlike Ishant in tests.

[Tattieboy]

20 minutes ago, coffee_rules said:

 

The point of the thread being persisting with a bowler despite having bad numbers. I think bowlers have a utility value and that proves their selection depite not having numbers to prove. If Ishant gets all the abuses for Test selection, Bhuvi should get the same in ODIs. He is expensive when he is not picking wickets on a helpful pitch. Bhuvi has good batting unlike Ishant in tests.

With a batting average of 13.56 it's not as if he is in all-rounder class in ODI. 

Being picked on a feeling he will get better , upto to him to justify in this series that he is on an upward curve 

[adi B]

SR of 44 in odis is really poor,bhuvi has to start to pick wkts in clusters else that SR won't improve 

[BeautifulGame]

In ODIs you don't need to pick 10 wkts to win.

In test cricket you need to pick 20 wkts to win.So don't see any logic in this comparison.

 

Bhuvi despite bowling in powerplays and death overs has an Econ of less than 5. That makes him invaluable.

 

He does need to improve his ability to pick wickets with white ball but he is still a quality bowler in ODIs.

[MCcricket]

34 minutes ago, BeautifulGame said:

In ODIs you don't need to pick 10 wkts to win.

In test cricket you need to pick 20 wkts to win.So don't see any logic in this comparison.

 

Bhuvi despite bowling in powerplays and death overs has an Econ of less than 5. That makes him invaluable.

 

He does need to improve his ability to pick wickets with white ball but he is still a quality bowler in ODIs.

Dunno why , when it comes to Dhoni or Bhuvi people get defensive n logic goes outta the window, Bhuvi has been average or below in ODI n no use looking for an excuse, people project him ala Steyn, he is decent in Test n average in ODI, but needs to i prove in ODI.

[Vilander]

Bhuvi is not good enough so far in ODI. He needs to pick wickets. 

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On a serious note, yes he need to better in ODIs but it is a matter of time. Let us be patient!!!

[CoverDrive]

He is one of the better limited overs bowlers in world. He bowls in death and has shown ability to bowl Yorkers and smartly. 

 

Everyone will be taken for runs on flat pitches. Teams are regularly scoring 300 +

[rkt.india]

11 hours ago, BeautifulGame said:

In ODIs you don't need to pick 10 wkts to win.

In test cricket you need to pick 20 wkts to win.So don't see any logic in this comparison.

 

Bhuvi despite bowling in powerplays and death overs has an Econ of less than 5. That makes him invaluable.

 

He does need to improve his ability to pick wickets with white ball but he is still a quality bowler in ODIs.

wickets is the key whether tests or ODIs.  

[NameGoesHere]

11 hours ago, BeautifulGame said:

In ODIs you don't need to pick 10 wkts to win.

In test cricket you need to pick 20 wkts to win.So don't see any logic in this comparison.

 

Bhuvi despite bowling in powerplays and death overs has an Econ of less than 5. That makes him invaluable.

 

He does need to improve his ability to pick wickets with white ball but he is still a quality bowler in ODIs.

You've hit on something that I feel should be underscored.  I.e. in ODIs, not giving runs will be a major contributor in winning you the game.  So, within reason, a bowler who can stop the runs flow, especially at critical moments, can be vital to the team.

 

Possibly this is one of the reasons that Steve Smith reason called Bhuvi and Bumrah the best death bowlers in the business.

 

That he needs to take more wickets is also true; because if he loses this ability to hold down runs then his place in the ODI set up will become untenable in the absence of a better SR. 

[rkt.india]

11 minutes ago, NameGoesHere said:

You've hit on something that I feel should be underscored.  I.e. in ODIs, not giving runs will be a major contributor in winning you the game.  So, within reason, a bowler who can stop the runs flow, especially at critical moments, can be vital to the team.

 

Possibly this is one of the reasons that Steve Smith reason called Bhuvi and Bumrah the best death bowlers in the business.

 

That he needs to take more wickets is also true; because if he loses this ability to hold down runs then his place in the ODI set up will become untenable in the absence of a better SR. 

you take wickets, you stop runs. you dont take wickets, you or other bowlers will eventually go for runs.  

[express bowling]

23 minutes ago, rkt.india said:

you take wickets, you stop runs. you dont take wickets, you or other bowlers will eventually go for runs.  

 

Yes

[New guy]

3 minutes ago, express bowling said:

 

Yes

 

27 minutes ago, rkt.india said:

you take wickets, you stop runs. you dont take wickets, you or other bowlers will eventually go for runs.  

One of the biggest examples of this was CT 2017 final. Bhuvi went only at 4.4. His figures were 10 overs, 44 runs 1 wicket. The opposition scored 338

[Pollack]

11 hours ago, BeautifulGame said:

In ODIs you don't need to pick 10 wkts to win.

In test cricket you need to pick 20 wkts to win.So don't see any logic in this comparison.

 

Bhuvi despite bowling in powerplays and death overs has an Econ of less than 5. That makes him invaluable.

 

He does need to improve his ability to pick wickets with white ball but he is still a quality bowler in ODIs.

If wicket falls economy rates go down too. On the other hand if wicket doesn't fall and economy rate is low, a partnership builds up and accelerating is done later targeting the weak bowler.

Wickets are always important than economy rates in both ODIs and tests. 

 

Our wrist spinners are taking care of taking wickets in the middle overs. Otherwise remember CT final for what happens if wickets are not taken upfront and middle overs bowlers cannot save your arse. India definitely has weakness regarding taking wickets upfront

 Keep looking other way because you happen to admire bhuvi and who knows next WC final is when you shall pay for it.

[Pollack]

India needs two strike Pacers in the ODI team. Now to make it possible if bhuvi is dropped, so be it. If someone else other than bumrah and bhuvi is dropped, it's fine still. Just get the balance of the team right.

Edited February 6, 2018 by Pollack

[rkt.india]

9 minutes ago, New guy said:

 

One of the biggest examples of this was CT 2017 final. Bhuvi went only at 4.4. His figures were 10 overs, 44 runs 1 wicket. The opposition scored 338

yes, he did not go for runs, but other bowlers did. you cant escape.  one bowler escape but if you dont pick wickets, others will be taken for runs.  Even Pandya did relatively well in that game, but as they failed to pick wickets, 3 other bowlers well for runs.