Guess if this is a batsman or a bowler?

[Forever Indian]

9, 1/37, 14, 0/35, 0/34, 0/41, 3*, 0, 0/3, 4, 0/15, 0/50, 15, 0/14, 6

 

There are the scores of a player in his last 4 ODIs and two tests. So he has total one wicket and highest score of 15 to show. No prizes for guessing that it is Hardik Pandya but there will be prize for guessing if he is a batsman or bowler.

 

I know that there is already a thread for 'How Long is the rope for Hardik! but I wanted to discuss something wider. Why is it that some players are given way too big a rope just based on potential (like Ishant, Rohit, Pandya) whereas other talents like Pant, KL Rahul, Iyer, etc. are kicked out at first opportunity? What happens if the talents given such long rope do not develop, do you still persist with them just because so much time has been spent on them. Ishant has remained the same or even regressed after 10 years, Rohit has bloomed only in ODIs and is still given chances in tests based on talent at Age 30. Pandya is played in all formats just on potential but his inconsistency is there for everyone to see. How much consistency can you expect from a player averaging in 20s with bat in domestic cricket.

 

Now comes the next conundrum - It is because these talents block places in the team for long that deserving domestic performers do not get an opportunity in team at all or debut after their peak like Pandey, Jadhav, etc. Clearly it makes sense to play the best players and if they do not perform chuck them out and try someone new untill they give consistent performance.

 

If the team was looking for a Seam bolwing allrounder why not try others as well and ask Pandya to work on his skills in domestics? Someone like Vijay Shankar or any other proper batting or bowling allrounder should be tried and given a run. Why put all your eggs in one basket?

 

Now with less than a year for WC we still have a lot of questions unanswered from the CT final performance. Granted Pandya performed well there but these one off performances was given by someone like Yusuf Pathan as well who clearly is and was inconsistent.

 

If like today one of our bowlers has a bad day we are left with 3 proper bowlers only.

Edited February 10, 2018 by Forever Indian

[Ankit_sharma03]

7 minutes ago, Forever Indian said:

If the team was looking for a Seam bolwing allrounder why not try others as well and ask Pandya to work on his skills in domestics? Someone like Vijay Shankar or any other proper batting or bowling allrounder should be tried and given a run. Why put all your eggs in one basket?

Have u seen vijay shankar bowl , on flat decks he ll be carted around, u can expect 7-10 over from pandya.....most days shankar wud be be giving 5-7

As a bowler pandya is miles ahead

Shankar is a proper batsman who can even bat 4 n 5 but at max he is a batting all rounder

 

Pandya role is diff, he provides u firepower at 7

 

stats - many top player have had poor stats in intial years, u have to keep backing him and digest it he is ur best option. Their is no better option then him. Pandya is the best option at no.7 and as lower order power hitter in the country currrently and his bowling n fielding are bonus . The last one we had was yusuf pathan who was at max a 5 over bowler and a below avg fielder and pandya batting against fast bowler is way better then yusuf pathan's was

Edited February 10, 2018 by Ankit_sharma03

[Ankit_sharma03]

The last time we went to Sa n NZ , dhawan n Rohit were complete failure in Odi ......look where they are today

If u dont allow someone to fail how will tehy improve. Didnt kohli fail in his 1st test series in Wi or failed in england. 

[rtmohanlal]

Hardik needs to be  persisted with...that happens...he is already a handy bat.Allow him to improve his bowling.If he plays in a positive frame of mind , he will be worth his place.Has the raw  talent to succeed

[maniac]

The problem is With 2 wrist spinners performing we cannot get a proper 3rd seamer like Shami by dropping one of them and he is leagues better than Pandya.

 

which means we play 2 spinners both who cannot bat in the top order.

 

Now if we drop Pandya and get Shami in,that will leave us with a long tail.

 

If we drop Bhuvi for Shami then that won’t solve the balance problem.

 

None of our Top order bowl or good enough to be 6th bowlers.

 

Jadhav has done ok as a part timer but he is atrocious overall.

 

Now Pandya has not proven yet to be a proper reliable bat.

 

Pandya has screwed up our balance more than fixing the problem.

 

ideal scenario would have been to have both Pandya brothers to bowl 10’overs between them or maybe eat into another specialist bowlers overs if they have a bad day much like Stokes and Ali for England....however that comes with the caveat that they can bat.

 

I think about time we start looking into batsmen who can atleast provide a part time option.

[Forever Indian]

1 hour ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

The last time we went to Sa n NZ , dhawan n Rohit were complete failure in Odi ......look where they are today

If u dont allow someone to fail how will tehy improve. Didnt kohli fail in his 1st test series in Wi or failed in england. 

I am talking about options for WC in England. Why put all your eggs in one basket? Panda is now blocking Shami similar to what happened in CT. If someone like Shankar is played he will be used as a 6th bowling option and as he swings the ball will be handful in England. Why put all your eggs in one basket?

[bowl_out]

1 hour ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

stats - many top player have had poor stats in intial years, u have to keep backing him and digest it he is ur best option. Their is no better option then him. Pandya is the best option at no.7 and as lower order power hitter in the country currrently and his bowling n fielding are bonus . The last one we had was yusuf pathan who was at max a 5 over bowler and a below avg fielder and pandya batting against fast bowler is way better then yusuf pathan's was

I don't mind if Pandya is given a long rope, but that only means they keep him in the scheme of things.. It doesn't mean they play him in every match in every format making him look indispensable. 

 

It looks like arrogance has gotten into him, and the attitude that he will not get dropped from the team anyway stops him from trying more and setting the bar higher. I wouldn't mind dropping him in one format, maybe Tests and trying out Vijay Shankar. He can be a proper No.6 batsman, who can fill in for a few overs to give the front-line fast bowlers some break.

[Khota]

I never understood the infatuation with Pandya.

[Cricketics]

Man jo naye blue waalei baal hai bande ke, I mean kya style hai ladke ka.

 

The peacock cut

 

 

[Khota]

How many failures should be allowed for Pandya? I think he has failed enough. I do not understand why ICF has a soft corner for hi. There is no such thing as a all rounder. They do not exist. In my galli everyone was a allrounder.

Edited February 11, 2018 by Khota

[Gollum]

Shocking stats, may be early fame/success has lifted his feet off the ground. Does Sunny talk about his hair colour/style.....that senile biased man kept on insulting/shading Rahul over his style choices.  

[Trichromatic]

6 hours ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

The last time we went to Sa n NZ , dhawan n Rohit were complete failure in Odi ......look where they are today

If u dont allow someone to fail how will tehy improve. Didnt kohli fail in his 1st test series in Wi or failed in england. 

Well, with them their failures were highlighted and everyone talked about it.

 

But with Pandya you don't get this feeling. As if he is doing what he is supposed to do and as if his performance is already above par.

 

There are no mention of his failures and struggles. His runs are considered bonus since he is lottery batsman for India.

 

His bowling role is limited to provide few overs of break to main bowlers without taking wickets.

 

Moreover attitude gives an impression that he is 2nd best after Kohli in this team and already a star.

 

 

[bowl_out]

Goes to show how much Yuvraj Singh is being missed. He was the fifth bowler who could give 6-7 overs, sometimes more consistently with other part timers chipping in with 3-4 overs. 

 

Jadeja used to play that role with for some time.

Now, you can’t expect 10 overs from Jadhav. None of the other Top order batsmen can bowl. So Pandya becomes seemingly indispensable. 

Edited February 11, 2018 by bowl_out

[Ankit_sharma03]

7 hours ago, Forever Indian said:

I am talking about options for WC in England. Why put all your eggs in one basket? Panda is now blocking Shami similar to what happened in CT. If someone like Shankar is played he will be used as a 6th bowling option and as he swings the ball will be handful in England. Why put all your eggs in one basket?

Pandya is not blocking shami's way 

He is playing as all rounder not bowler. Shami will only play for a bowler. There was more of chance to play shami with ashwin n jadeja then kuldeep n chahal as ashwin n jadeja were more capable with bat

 

We wont play absolute 5 bowlers in ODI, thats stupidity considering our fragile middle order 

2 hours ago, Trichromatic said:

Well, with them their failures were highlighted and everyone talked about it.

 

But with Pandya you don't get this feeling. As if he is doing what he is supposed to do and as if his performance is already above par.

 

There are no mention of his failures and struggles. His runs are considered bonus since he is lottery batsman for India.

 

His bowling role is limited to provide few overs of break to main bowlers without taking wickets.

 

Moreover attitude gives an impression that he is 2nd best after Kohli in this team and already a star.

 

 

Those were specialist batsman n they had only one job .  The thing with all rounders or bits n pieces if they fail in one dept they can contribute in another 

How exp was pandya in terms of domestic n international compare to a rohit n dhawan.

 

Attitude- well its how u see.....he is an expressive fellow only after kohli thats it .  i dnt think so he wud be a bigger star in dressing room then dhoni , rohit, dhawan.

 

With some players u have to keep backing n ignore failures for a while. At 7 it will be hit n miss most days and his bowling wud only get better with time as LOI have become tough for bowler and only with times skills can be developed to become better

 

 

If ur looking a role of him being one of main bowlers and give consistency with bat well ur looking at his role in a wrong way 

[Straight Drive]

The worry is that his batting average is dropping. Batting is his primary skill or the skill which he excels at as compared to bowling.. From 36 it has dropped to 31. It seems that by the end of this series his batting average could be below 30.

 

Bhuvi has scored more runs than him, hasn't he. 

Edited February 11, 2018 by Straight Drive

[Ankit_sharma03]

1 minute ago, Straight Drive said:

The worry is that his batting average is dropping. Batting is his primary skill or the skill which he excels at as compared to bowling.. From 36 it has dropped to 31. It seems that by the end of this series his batting average could be below 30.

his 1st job is to give u firepower in lower order something we were crying for when we had jadeja and then we cried more when dhoni hitting power wasnt same and raina was dropped. 

So we were in a hunt of a batsman who can tonk the ball , if yusuf pathan was young even he wud have been an option 

Ill be worried when his s/r rates drop 

 

At 7 u find consistency or good avg, look at kaif n yuvraj....these were proper batsman 

Kaif avg 33

yuvraj 31

 

Rarely ull get a ms dhoni

 

 

[Straight Drive]

29 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

his 1st job is to give u firepower in lower order something we were crying for when we had jadeja and then we cried more when dhoni hitting power wasnt same and raina was dropped. 

So we were in a hunt of a batsman who can tonk the ball , if yusuf pathan was young even he wud have been an option 

Ill be worried when his s/r rates drop 

 

At 7 u find consistency or good avg, look at kaif n yuvraj....these were proper batsman 

Kaif avg 33

yuvraj 31

 

Rarely ull get a ms dhoni

 

 

To play cameos one has to score runs.

 

1st ODI- 3 runs. Understandable  in terms of runs scored as there was nothing left to chase when he came. 

 

2 ODI: His batting was not needed as we won by 9 wickets.

 

3rd ODI: 14 runs from 15 balls. Neither enough runs nor any firepower at all. 

 

4th ODI: 9 from 14 balls. No runs, neither any firepower.

Edited February 11, 2018 by Straight Drive

[Straight Drive]

48 minutes ago, bowl_out said:

Goes to show how much Yuvraj Singh is being missed. He was the fifth bowler who could give 6-7 overs, sometimes more consistently with other part timers chipping in with 3-4 overs. 

 

Jadeja used to play that role with for some time.

Now, you can’t expect 10 overs from Jadhav. None of the other Top order batsmen can bowl. So Pandya becomes seemingly indispensable. 

Lets not compare Yuvi to him although he too excelled more in batting than his bowling . Yuvi was worlds best ODI player during his career. Hardik has not shown he can score tons like Yuvi. Yuvi helped us win one world cup. Hardik is still struggling to score 50's.

 

[Pollack]

Pandya should be rested. Not dropped. Shankar should be the backup.

[fineleg]

16 hours ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

The last time we went to Sa n NZ , dhawan n Rohit were complete failure in Odi ......look where they are today

If u dont allow someone to fail how will tehy improve. Didnt kohli fail in his 1st test series in Wi or failed in england. 

Bully is still a failure in SA.