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2 hours ago, coffee_rules said:

Agree everybody has a right to live on their terms. But why do they want to let others know what they want to do in their personal space. I don't go around proclaiming who I spend time with. I don't believe in this gay pride or parade thingy. They have infested college campuses and conduct recruitment drives with this flaunting. Young people think it is cool and hep. 

When things become acceptable and normal they will also chill.They will no longer need to celebrate their uniqueness in the ott manner...or may be it will just become another festival to enjoy because people will stop getting pissed off.

 

Gay pride is not about telling people they have sex but about celebrating their freedom to live their life without having to hide. The pride in knowing and letting it known that they are different and  normal like all people are.

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When things become acceptable and normal they will also chill.They will no longer need to celebrate their uniqueness in the ott manner...or may be it will just become another festival to enjoy because people will stop getting pissed off.
 
Gay pride is not about telling people they have sex but about celebrating their freedom to live their life without having to hide. The pride in knowing and letting it known that they are different and  normal like all people are.


Yes, we left handers should also have such ott celebrations. Seeing so many are forcefully converted in India maybe it's not a bad thing.

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3 hours ago, coffee_rules said:

Agree everybody has a right to live on their terms. But why do they want to let others know what they want to do in their personal space. I don't go around proclaiming who I spend time with. I don't believe in this gay pride or parade thingy. They have infested college campuses and conduct recruitment drives with this flaunting. Young people think it is cool and hep. 

Have you been persecuted for being straight? Have you been made an outcast in society for being straight? Have you been mocked for being straight? Have you had to live in fear because of being straight? 

 

Ever wondered how a young person, who has feelings for the same sex, who has all their life been told something is wrong, feels in that kind of society? They need others who are willing to flaunt, be in the faces of others to help them understand what they're feeling is fine.

Maybe you should stand up for the persecuted and rejoice in their ability to live a little more freely instead of being upset by it. - I don't think there is anything to believe in about a parade. It's a celebration. 

 

I presume you're just as upset with people who brag about just getting laid with the opposite sex? Or get upset about people celebrating Independence Days or religious festivals, getting all up in your face.

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22 minutes ago, Sachinism said:

Have you been persecuted for being straight? Have you been made an outcast in society for being straight? Have you been mocked for being straight? Have you had to live in fear because of being straight? 

 

Ever wondered how a young person, who has feelings for the same sex, who has all their life been told something is wrong, feels in that kind of society? They need others who are willing to flaunt, be in the faces of others to help them understand what they're feeling is fine.

Maybe you should stand up for the persecuted and rejoice in their ability to live a little more freely instead of being upset by it. - I don't think there is anything to believe in about a parade. It's a celebration. 

 

I presume you're just as upset with people who brag about just getting laid with the opposite sex? Or get upset about people celebrating Independence Days or religious festivals, getting all up in your face.

Decriminalizing is a welcome step. That old colonial era law was wrong, even any non-vaginal sex among hetros was also criminal! I am of the Don't Ask Don't Tell policy guy. I agree there is prosecution, but the general awareness among public is high these days and acceptance is more. At least in US. So, the pride parade seems an excess. 

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2 hours ago, Nikhil_cric said:

The only reason you even differentiate between "gay" and "lesbian" is because that's the cultural/religious upbringing bro. Most gay people do mind their own business. 

it is not as simple. Gays also need to find someone to be a part of their sexual activities and in doing that they tend to approach straight people.  It is not easy to find other gay people. 

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11 minutes ago, coffee_rules said:

Decriminalizing is a welcome step. That old colonial era law was wrong, even any non-vaginal sex among hetros was also criminal! I am of the Don't Ask Don't Tell policy guy. I agree there is prosecution, but the general awareness among public is high these days and acceptance is more. At least in US. So, the pride parade seems an excess. 

I find it strange how a celebration of someone's freedom is excessive. As asked in my last post, do you take offence to people celebrating independence? Like India got independence some 70+ years ago and they still make a big song and dance about it.

Pretty sure the US legalised same sex marriage no more than 2 years ago. So, let's not make it sound like these people have had equality forever. Also, you mention there is good awareness in the US. Ever wonder how that came about? Because it certainly didn't happen by the gay people hiding in closets.

And just because some laws have changed to prevent the state from persecuting them, society takes time to move on and these people will still face persecution.

 

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1 hour ago, rkt.india said:

it is not as simple. Gays also need to find someone to be a part of their sexual activities and in doing that they tend to approach straight people.  It is not easy to find other gay people. 

What I meant was I don't see them as being particularly more troublesome than heterosexual s. 

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In my view, this is a horrendous judgement by the SC, filled with cognitive dissonance, colonial-era tinged paternalism, and possible overreach. For all the grandstanding of India being "the world's largest democracy," this judgement is further confirmation that India is devolving into (or always was?) an oligarchical banana republic, or, more accurately I guess, a kritarchy/kritocracy.   

 

Off topic: LOL at some of the alternative facts being spread here, but I digress...

 

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17 hours ago, Franco Vazquez said:

I don't know why people are actually celebrating. I can see LGBTQIStYVEWDS community celebrating it but why straight people and celebs are making a huge deal out of it? How many gays are there in India? 1 million or 2 million? How many poor, unprivileged people struggling with basic necessities of life are in India? 

Are you into reading stuff? If yes, I would recommend you this pdf book, it's insightful actually - https://www.josharcher.uk/static/files/2018/01/Industrial_Society_and_Its_Future-Ted_Kaczynski.pdf

 

Do read from "PSYCHOLOGY OF MODERN LEFTISM" onwards, it's pretty interesting and answers your question.

 

P.S. : Kaczynski may not be the best person around, but this book is very interesting.

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14 hours ago, rkt.india said:

homosexuality is not about choice. A straight person cannot become homosexual by choosing it.  You cannot pick and choose your sexuality.  It is genetic and inherent.

It is not *just* genetics. Genetics gives you the 'body parts' to do as they are told, by the hormones. Which is controlled by that gland in your brain/part of the brain. THIS balance of hormones (which we know the effects of, but are still only barely scratching the surface in research), determines whether you are 'man,woman, straight,bi, etc'.  This hormonal balance, largely falls in the 'straight cis-gender' identity for species homo sapiens - by overwhelming margin ( ie, 70-80%+). Like many other species out there. In rest of the cases, the hormonal balances are different, leading to different 'self-identification' as male, female, neither, trans, straight,bi, etc. 

 

This is all totally normal for many,many species. 

And whats pretty funny, is that our closest species genetically - the bonobos- have been widely noted to :

a) prostitute themselves

b) engage in both forms of gay sex, especially the female kind, pretty openly. 

 

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13 hours ago, coffee_rules said:

Agree everybody has a right to live on their terms. But why do they want to let others know what they want to do in their personal space. I don't go around proclaiming who I spend time with. I don't believe in this gay pride or parade thingy. They have infested college campuses and conduct recruitment drives with this flaunting. Young people think it is cool and hep. 

Discussing WHO you spend time with (ie, the person) is not the same thing as talking about sexuality. 


I for one, am completely OK with talking about sexuality with adults, so long as its spoken respectfully, as it is a CORE sensetive topic to many of us. And why not ? This obviously constitutes a large part of our free adult life ( having or thinking about sex) and drives a lot of our behaviour. 

There definitely is nothing wrong in sexuality, so long as its not ONLY about sexuality either. 

And guess what ? After living in one of the *the* most liberal part of the world when it comes to sexuality (which is west coast US/Canada, amongst few other European places), 99.99% people dont talk much about it till they get to know you - ie, friends. 

 

So whats the problem here ? If you find the topic too embarassing, then don't talk /participate or ignore it. We all ignore a lot of things we dont like/enjoy, do that. There is no reason to oppose what consenting adults do or talk about, in their own free time, publicly, show PDA or not. 

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16 minutes ago, MechEng said:

Are you into reading stuff? If yes, I would recommend you this pdf book, it's insightful actually - https://www.josharcher.uk/static/files/2018/01/Industrial_Society_and_Its_Future-Ted_Kaczynski.pdf

 

Do read from "PSYCHOLOGY OF MODERN LEFTISM" onwards, it's pretty interesting and answers your question.

 

P.S. : Kaczynski may not be the best person around, but this book is very interesting.

nice one , it has a ton of content to trash a leftist with and sound big..lol gold. But i found the below interesting.

 

. "Throughout this article we’ve made imprecise statements and statements that ought to have had all sorts of qualifications and reservations attached to them; and some of our statements may be flatly false. Lack of sufficient information and the need for brevity made it impossible for us to formulate our assertions more precisely or add all the necessary qualifications. And of course in a discussion of this kind one must rely heavily on intuitive judgment, and that can sometimes be wrong. So we don’t claim that this article expresses more than a crude approximation to the truth "

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15 minutes ago, Vilander said:

nice one , it has a ton of content to trash a leftist with and sound big..lol gold. But i found the below interesting.

 

. "Throughout this article we’ve made imprecise statements and statements that ought to have had all sorts of qualifications and reservations attached to them; and some of our statements may be flatly false. Lack of sufficient information and the need for brevity made it impossible for us to formulate our assertions more precisely or add all the necessary qualifications. And of course in a discussion of this kind one must rely heavily on intuitive judgment, and that can sometimes be wrong. So we don’t claim that this article expresses more than a crude approximation to the truth "

Yeah, atleast he's being honest with his manifesto without the propaganda drivel.

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21 minutes ago, MechEng said:

Yeah, atleast he's being honest with his manifesto without the propaganda drivel.

Not to mention the cherry-picking of one part of the article without including the rest of the statement. 

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231. Throughout this article we’ve made imprecise statements and statements that ought to have had all sorts of qualifications and reservations attached to them; and some of our statements may be flatly false. Lack of sufficient information and the need for brevity made it impossible for us to formulate our assertions more precisely or add all the necessary qualifications. And of course in a discussion of this kind one must rely heavily on intuitive judgment, and that can sometimes be wrong. So we don’t claim that this article expresses more than a crude approximation to the truth.

232. All the same, we are reasonably confident that the general outlines of the picture we have painted here are roughly correct. Just one possible weak point needs to be mentioned. We have portrayed leftism in its modern form as a phenomenon peculiar to our time and as a symptom of the disruption of the power process. But we might possibly be wrong about this. Oversocialized types who try to satisfy their drive for power by imposing their morality on everyone have certainly been around for a long time. But we THINK that the decisive role played by feelings of inferiority, low self-esteem, powerlessness, identification with victims by people who are not themselves victims, is a peculiarity of modern leftism. Identification with victims by people not themselves victims can be seen to some extent in 19th century leftism and early Christianity, but as far as we can make out, symptoms of low self-esteem, etc., were not nearly so evident in these movements, or in any other movements, as they are in modern leftism. But we are not in a position to assert confidently that no such movements have existed prior to modern leftism. This is a significant question to which historians ought to give their attention.

 

 

 

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6 hours ago, Tibarn said:

In my view, this is a horrendous judgement by the SC, filled with cognitive dissonance, colonial-era tinged paternalism, and possible overreach. For all the grandstanding of India being "the world's largest democracy," this judgement is further confirmation that India is devolving into (or always was?) an oligarchical banana republic, or, more accurately I guess, a kritarchy/kritocracy.   

 

You can't expect much else from the SC, it is populated by colonial remnants.  They think the country is their personal fiefdom. 

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Off topic: LOL at some of the alternative facts being spread here, but I digress...

You should see the past threads where these issues were being discussed by the poster @Green Monster , a US board certified psychiatrist. There was all kinds of alternative facts there where people were denying  medical science and misinterpreting science articles because it was not favoring their politics. 

 

You would have loved that thread :phehe:  Although I think Green Monster has been banned as I haven't seen him here recently.

 

Edit: What is the prognosis here you think? 

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1 hour ago, MechEng said:

@beetle What do you think of NAMBLA? Should India decriminalize that too?

What has that got to do with granting basic human rights to people?

 

If some deviant people advocate the rape of young girls , will the courts criminalize heterosexual sex ?

 

Why do people against gay rights bring pedophile into the argument?

 

How is rape and consensual sex comparable ?

 

Do people think pedophilia did not exist when 377 was active?

 

Just like rape of girls can not be prevented by banning heterosexual sex, similarly rape of boys  cannot be prevented by banning homosexuality.

 

Pedophilia is a criminal offence that can has to be kept in check by better policing .

 

 

 

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52 minutes ago, Vilander said:

good deal..now we will see more lesbian marriages eventually. I think hormonal males who are genetically females are often forced into marriage with men in India, this can end.

Same with gay men being forced to marry women and living the false life to keep family and society happy .

 

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1 hour ago, Muloghonto said:

Discussing WHO you spend time with (ie, the person) is not the same thing as talking about sexuality. 


I for one, am completely OK with talking about sexuality with adults, so long as its spoken respectfully, as it is a CORE sensetive topic to many of us. And why not ? This obviously constitutes a large part of our free adult life ( having or thinking about sex) and drives a lot of our behaviour. 

There definitely is nothing wrong in sexuality, so long as its not ONLY about sexuality either. 

And guess what ? After living in one of the *the* most liberal part of the world when it comes to sexuality (which is west coast US/Canada, amongst few other European places), 99.99% people dont talk much about it till they get to know you - ie, friends. 

 

So whats the problem here ? If you find the topic too embarassing, then don't talk /participate or ignore it. We all ignore a lot of things we dont like/enjoy, do that. There is no reason to oppose what consenting adults do or talk about, in their own free time, publicly, show PDA or not. 

It was not about not being able to talk freely about sexuality. You didn't get the context totally. I don't make my sexuality define me and I don't expect the same from them. If they sleep with same sex. so be it, I don't care. I don't ask. so don't f'in tell and don't tell me that defines you. There is more to life than your sexual preference is what I am talking about. 

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10 minutes ago, beetle said:

What has that got to do with granting basic human rights to people?

 

If some deviant people advocate the rape of young girls , will the courts criminalize heterosexual sex ?

 

Why do people against gay rights bring pedophile into the argument?

 

How is rape and consensual sex comparable ?

 

Do people think pedophilia did not exist when 377 was active?

 

Just like rape of girls can not be prevented by banning heterosexual sex, similarly rape of boys  cannot be prevented by banning homosexuality.

 

Pedophilia is a criminal offence that can has to be kept in check by better policing .

 

 

 

Nowadays everybody wanna talk like they got something to say

But nothing comes out when they move their lips

Just a bunch of gibberish...

 

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6 minutes ago, coffee_rules said:

It was not about not being able to talk freely about sexuality. You didn't get the context totally. I don't make my sexuality define me and I don't expect the same from them. If they sleep with same sex. so be it, I don't care. I don't ask. so don't f'in tell and don't tell me that defines you. There is more to life than your sexual preference is what I am talking about. 

Again, you talk like you've never been around people with alternate sexual viewpoints than mainstream. Its not a defining feature. Just like cricket, i am sure is not defining feature of you. It is a huge PART of most people's makeup & like, along with various other hobbies, strong opinion stuff etc. 

I simply don't see why you think we should all ignore this and its wrong for people to like talking freely about sexuality. Where you make the leap to 'defining them', is beyond me. Most homosexual people i know, they dont use homosexuality as the central facet of their lives either.Lot of ignorance on the topic by means of actual experience, being shown here.

 

Saying there is more to life than sexuality is like saying there is more to life than cricket. Well obviously. Then why do you talk about cricket ? is it cntral to your life and cricket defines you as a person ?

 

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18 minutes ago, beetle said:

What has that got to do with granting basic human rights to people?

 

If some deviant people advocate the rape of young girls , will the courts criminalize heterosexual sex ?

 

Why do people against gay rights bring pedophile into the argument?

 

How is rape and consensual sex comparable ?

 

Do people think pedophilia did not exist when 377 was active?

 

Just like rape of girls can not be prevented by banning heterosexual sex, similarly rape of boys  cannot be prevented by banning homosexuality.

 

Pedophilia is a criminal offence that can has to be kept in check by better policing .

 

 

 

You should know about western christian conservative opposition to home sexuality for these questions. These white conservative think tht if home sexuality is legalized, then men will have sex with boys. Hence the pedo connect with this issue. They think that if gay men are allowed to get married, then the next issue to deal with is bigamy and orgies and pedos. 

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6 minutes ago, Muloghonto said:

Again, you talk like you've never been around people with alternate sexual viewpoints than mainstream. Its not a defining feature. Just like cricket, i am sure is not defining feature of you. It is a huge PART of most people's makeup & like, along with various other hobbies, strong opinion stuff etc. 

I simply don't see why you think we should all ignore this and its wrong for people to like talking freely about sexuality. Where you make the leap to 'defining them', is beyond me. Most homosexual people i know, they dont use homosexuality as the central facet of their lives either.Lot of ignorance on the topic by means of actual experience, being shown here.

 

Saying there is more to life than sexuality is like saying there is more to life than cricket. Well obviously. Then why do you talk about cricket ? is it cntral to your life and cricket defines you as a person ?

 

Gay Friend: I have sex with men and I am proud of it

Me: Ok, thanks but TMI

Me: I like to wear pink underpants and shout out loud 

Gay Friend: ok, but TMI

 

So, you get my point?

 

 

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4 minutes ago, coffee_rules said:

You should know about western christian conservative opposition to home sexuality for these questions. These white conservative think tht if home sexuality is legalized, then men will have sex with boys. Hence the pedo connect with this issue. They think that if gay men are allowed to get married, then the next issue to deal with is bigamy and orgies and pedos. 

That is at best ignorance , at worst a convenient excuse.

 

All the deviant behavior has existed despite the ban .

 

The western christian conservative group can hardly be taken as an equal rights advocate. They will have their agendas which may  be against the welfare of others.

 

The problem with 377 in India was that it criminalizes gay sex ...leaving homosexuals open to abuse from police , blackmailing . Decriminalizing takes away that .

 

 

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2 minutes ago, coffee_rules said:

Gay Friend: I have sex with men and I am proud of it

Me: Ok, thanks but TMI

Me: I like to wear pink underpants and shout out loud 

Gay Friend: ok, but TMI

 

So, you get my point?

 

 

I have heterosexual friends who believe in giving too much information.

 

The solution to that is to not be good friends with people like that if one is uncomfortable.....instead of taking their behavior as  stereotype for their whole kind.

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3 minutes ago, beetle said:

That is at best ignorance , at worst a convenient excuse.

 

All the deviant behavior has existed despite the ban .

 

The western christian conservative group can hardly be taken as an equal rights advocate. They will have their agendas which may  be against the welfare of others.

 

The problem with 377 in India was that it criminalizes gay sex ...leaving homosexuals open to abuse from police , blackmailing . Decriminalizing takes away that .

 

 

My point being why pedo angle being brought into this issue . It is a western christian construct. There is gay reference in Hindu scriptures and even in Islamic history (Khilji was gay). It is acceptable in our society and the legal issue from 377 is from a colonial british mindset which is removed now. 

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1 minute ago, coffee_rules said:

My point being why pedo angle being brought into this issue . It is a western christian construct. There is gay reference in Hindu scriptures and even in Islamic history (Khilji was gay). It is acceptable in our society and the legal issue from 377 is from a colonial british mindset which is removed now. 

I have already mentioned that mass in UK/US are also fed up with these pride rallies or whatever BS and it is one of the major reasons why things like Trump and Brexit happened.

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4 minutes ago, beetle said:

I have heterosexual friends who believe in giving too much information.

 

The solution to that is to not be good friends with people like that if one is uncomfortable.....instead of taking their behavior as  stereotype for their whole kind.

Ok. I tell such friends. thanks for telling, but I don't need to know. That's the point of the phrase TMI.

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2 minutes ago, coffee_rules said:

My point being why pedo angle being brought into this issue . It is a western christian construct. There is gay reference in Hindu scriptures and even in Islamic history (Khilji was gay). It is acceptable in our society and the legal issue from 377 is from a colonial british mindset which is removed now. 

Exactly.

Some things were never a taboo in India till the British took over .

 

Even polygamy and polyandry  though not legal for most are more acceptable socially in India than the west because we have a history of that.

 

I really don't understand the angst of Indian in India against decriminalizing gay sex.

 

I think the phobia is more because of our obsession with traditional marriage and children .

Homosexuality is seen as moving away from the traditional order  of the familiy expectation . Moreover , it takes away the control of the family over  their children .

 

Just like love marriage are still considered a taboo in certain sections. It is seen as taking away the rights of the family to choose and decide .

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^^ hence my downplaying of this issue, 377 was law , but nobody was penalized with this act, although some were harassed. It was not the most pressing thing in our society that SC had to intervene and act. It was decriminalized by Delhi HC in 2009 which Sonia Gandhi overturned in 2013 because of pressure from church and mullahs.

 

Article 370 and 35A is much more important for SC to worry about. 

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17 minutes ago, beetle said:

Exactly.

Some things were never a taboo in India till the British took over .

 

Even polygamy and polyandry  though not legal for most are more acceptable socially in India than the west because we have a history of that.

 

I really don't understand the angst of Indian in India against decriminalizing gay sex.

 

I think the phobia is more because of our obsession with traditional marriage and children .

Homosexuality is seen as moving away from the traditional order  of the familiy expectation . Moreover , it takes away the control of the family over  their children .

 

Just like love marriage are still considered a taboo in certain sections. It is seen as taking away the rights of the family to choose and decide .

Even next to none rights for women in India is socially acceptable. India is one of the places where women become the offender rather than victim when they are sexually harassed so why don't crack down that law too? If it's socially acceptable doesn't mean its right. Hitler killed millions of Jews and a lot of German public was fine with it, does it mean that it was right? You never know about these so called liberals maybe after 20-30 years they might even call for pedophilia to be legalized as well.

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43 minutes ago, coffee_rules said:

Gay Friend: I have sex with men and I am proud of it

Me: Ok, thanks but TMI

Me: I like to wear pink underpants and shout out loud 

Gay Friend: ok, but TMI

 

So, you get my point?

 

 

pretty clear that you've never actually talked to a gay person about sexuality then......so why are you passing off your assumptions for what its like ?

 

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3 minutes ago, Franco Vazquez said:

Even next to none rights for women in India is socially acceptable. India is one of the places where women become the offender rather than victim when they are sexually harassed so why don't crack down that law too? If it's socially acceptable doesn't mean its right. Hitler killed millions of Jews and a lot of German public was fine with it, does it mean that it was right? You never know about these so called liberals maybe after 20-30 years they might even call for pedophilia to be legalized as well.

You ignorant, young, opinionated fool, in India women LEGALLY have exactly the same rights as men. 

 

As for liberals - we are big on consent. Which means AGE of consent matters. Most liberals are the ones who are vocally against paedophilia while your religious mullahs and priests rape little boys - yes, it happens in your madrassahs too. This is because the notion of CONSENT matters a lot to us. 

You see, why we are vehemently pro-adult gay sex is the SAME reason we are vehemently anti-paedophilia: It is nobody's business if sexual act is between CONSENTING ADULTS. Since children are NOT adults, it becomes our business to criminalize it.


Hope its clear. 

 

You are just trying to justify homophobia because your religion says so. Stop trying to make up nonsense reasons.

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2 minutes ago, Muloghonto said:

pretty clear that you've never actually talked to a gay person about sexuality then......so why are you passing off your assumptions for what its like ?

 

shifting goal posts as ever to counter my explanation of my pov. You can have the last word if it massages your big ego. 

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37 minutes ago, coffee_rules said:

Ok. I tell such friends. thanks for telling, but I don't need to know. That's the point of the phrase TMI.

Talking about sexuality may be TMI for you, but it isnt for most adults. Learn to live with it. It does no harm to anyone by sharing ideas. 

 

That is my point. 
There are plenty of things people are passionate about without it defining them and plenty of things we ignore. 

Do you care if someone goes APE$HIT over the rugby or Polo world cup ? Nope...so ignore the Gay pride parade if it doesnt interest you likewise.

Why should they be criticized for it ? its just a bunch of people, passionately celebrating something, causing no harm. 

THATS my point about you pooh-pooh-ing talking about sex as if its some big brown bear in the room.

 

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7 minutes ago, Franco Vazquez said:

Even next to none rights for women in India is socially acceptable. India is one of the places where women become the offender rather than victim when they are sexually harassed so why don't crack down that law too? If it's socially acceptable doesn't mean its right. Hitler killed millions of Jews and a lot of German public was fine with it, does it mean that it was right? You never know about these so called liberals maybe after 20-30 years they might even call for pedophilia to be legalized as well.

Where did you get the part about German public being fine with Holocaust from? 

That's blatant lying right there.

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20 hours ago, Franco Vazquez said:

After give it 20 years, even pedophilia will become legal and socially acceptable for these so-called liberals

How dense are you? Sex between two consenting adults of the same gender is not hurting anyone. It is their private affair. Pedophilia is taking advantage of minors, it is a power game. It Phucks them up for life. To equate homosexuality with pedophilia is just ignorance at is stupidest.

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1 hour ago, Franco Vazquez said:

I would be fine with gays as long as they keep their mouths shut and don't try to tell my children or anyone close to me that there's nothing wrong with it. This is my last post on this thread and the reason I have already mentioned

This. The people who are commenting here against the SC's decision are not against homos but are against the fuel this decision will give to the LGBT propaganda. Indian people are too naive to understand the art of propaganda, or I should say majority in the world are naive when it comes to understanding how social engineering works.

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2 hours ago, Moochad said:

Not to mention the cherry-picking of one part of the article without including the rest of the statement. 

 

 

It's actually a good manifesto, he has also pointed out to the hypocrisy of the conservatives here. Very unbiased work.

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3 hours ago, Muloghonto said:

It is not *just* genetics. Genetics gives you the 'body parts' to do as they are told, by the hormones. Which is controlled by that gland in your brain/part of the brain. THIS balance of hormones (which we know the effects of, but are still only barely scratching the surface in research), determines whether you are 'man,woman, straight,bi, etc'.  This hormonal balance, largely falls in the 'straight cis-gender' identity for species homo sapiens - by overwhelming margin ( ie, 70-80%+). Like many other species out there. In rest of the cases, the hormonal balances are different, leading to different 'self-identification' as male, female, neither, trans, straight,bi, etc. 

 

This is all totally normal for many,many species. 

And whats pretty funny, is that our closest species genetically - the bonobos- have been widely noted to :

a) prostitute themselves

b) engage in both forms of gay sex, especially the female kind, pretty openly. 

 

Arent hormones dictated by genes?

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8 minutes ago, MechEng said:

This. The people who are commenting here against the SC's decision are not against homos but are against the fuel this decision will give to the LGBT propaganda. Indian people are too naive to understand the art of propaganda, or I should say majority in the world are naive when it comes to understanding how social engineering works.

what propaganda are you talking of ? are you closet-gay then, if you think that talking about gay stuff would be too much for you to endure and you won't be able to resist being gay openly ?!? 

People talking about sexual orientation and teaching kids about sex and sexual orientation is good. Its sad that the land that invented the science and culture of sexual openness is now victim to the desert-cult mindset towards sex. 

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55 minutes ago, Franco Vazquez said:

Even next to none rights for women in India is socially acceptable. India is one of the places where women become the offender rather than victim when they are sexually harassed so why don't crack down that law too? If it's socially acceptable doesn't mean its right. Hitler killed millions of Jews and a lot of German public was fine with it, does it mean that it was right? You never know about these so called liberals maybe after 20-30 years they might even call for pedophilia to be legalized as well.

You are right about the women's right part but that does not mean others rights should be ignored. 

377 is not just about men..

It effects women too. Lesbians  have the same issues that homosexual men face.

So this is a gender neutral issues.

 

We have some of the toughest laws for womdn in India. Just the enforcement part is lax.

 

As for hitler....he was a dictator.

The general public cannot be blamed for something they could not control .

Even if the general public was prejudiced, I doubt they supported what hitler did . That is not how humans feel .

They had zero control and I wonder how much awareness they had about the horror.

 

Being liberal is about caring about the rights of people and the child's right to be protected comes  under that.

If a person is liberal then they will fight for the rights of the children to be safe from ' offenders'. Just like liberals will not fight for right to rape, they will not fight for rights of  pedophiles. If they do...they cease to be liberals and become criminals .

 

You have very little understanding of liberalism and left  / right politics.

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